Tuff Truck 2011 Rules

[Tuff Events]

Hi Guys

Well the minor changes have been added, lets all look forward to another great event!


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Changes are the in the following sections!

Windscreens -

Doors -

Firewall -

Chassis - not really a change, just more clarification.

Tyre Coverage - not really a change, just more clarification.

Show n Shine / Engineering - Now Two individual events, no points, just cash prizes.

Scoring Penalties, reverse, strap & unsportsmanlike conduct.

Any concerns just email us:

tonyp@tuffevents.com.au

petera@tuffevents.com.au

[1MadEngineer]

pete - you are a legend! its nice to see you listen to us....

[jimmy087]

is that a penalty for reverse ???? I thought the system last yr levelled the scores pretty good between rear steer and not, why change it

[Tuff Events]

is that a penalty for reverse ???? I thought the system last yr levelled the scores pretty good between rear steer and not, why change it

Yes it is & it should have been in 2010.

Its not fair to have a rear steer penalty with no reverse penalty. Gives competitors no incentive to use rear steer or put rear steer on your trucks as it gets too expensive points wise to use it.
But capping reverse penalty at 10 points max, doesn't allow a huge points gap for those that used many previously free reverses. Now they have to think more themselves about reversing as it will cost them.
Same goes for guys with rear steer, they have to take a gamble on whether to use rear steer in which they may also cop a reverse penalty or 2 or 3 due to misjudgment.

[RUFF]

I think the rear steer/reversing penalty works well. If you dont have rear steer the max you can get is 10 points. But if you have rear steer and use it instantly you get a 5 point penalty and you could then possibly still accumulate another 10 points in reverse penalties if rear steer isn't enough.

[Tuff Events]

I think the rear steer/reversing penalty works well. If you dont have rear steer the max you can get is 10 points. But if you have rear steer and use it instantly you get a 5 point penalty and you could then possibly still accumulate another 10 points in reverse penalties if rear steer isn't enough.

Well pointed out Tony! thanks

[Tuff Events]

Very quiet thread!!!

[WICKED]

Why isn't rear steer penalty greater than 5point's? Say 10? Encourage More Driver able than "which lever do I use next?"

Reverse is something that every "Factory" 4x4 has but Rear steer is some thing to no "Factory" 4x4 or 6x6 has and is Expensive no matter how you look at it (Hilux rear steer, GQ/GU Rear steer, MOG 404/406/413 Rear steer, Etc)

[RUFF]

Very quiet thread!!!

You asked for it Pete!

Why isn't rear steer penalty greater than 5point's? Say 10?

Reverse is something that every "Factory" 4x4 has but Rear steer is some thing to no "Factory" 4x4 or 6x6 has and is Expensive no matter how you look at it (Hilux rear steer, GQ/GU Rear steer, MOG 404/406/413 Rear steer, Etc)

Because then there is no encoragement for people to use rear steer or build rear steer vehicles. It's a fact that the general spectator wants to see rear steer used. Even I enjoy watching rear steer rigs. Anyone can take ten reverses and clear a course. It takes a shit load more skill to clear a course with no penalties using only rear steer.

At ten points it's not worth using at all. But at five points it may be worth the risk but it could also cost you if you screw it up.

[Guy]

Why isn't rear steer penalty greater than 5point's? Say 10? Encourage More Driver able than "which lever do I use next?"

Reverse is something that every "Factory" 4x4 has but Rear steer is some thing to no "Factory" 4x4 or 6x6 has and is Expensive no matter how you look at it (Hilux rear steer, GQ/GU Rear steer, MOG 404/406/413 Rear steer, Etc)

Some of the big chev's had "quadrasteer" or 4 wheel steering a few years back.

[WICKED]

Why isn't rear steer penalty greater than 5point's? Say 10? Encourage More Driver able than "which lever do I use next?"

Reverse is something that every "Factory" 4x4 has but Rear steer is some thing to no "Factory" 4x4 or 6x6 has and is Expensive no matter how you look at it (Hilux rear steer, GQ/GU Rear steer, MOG 404/406/413 Rear steer, Etc)

Some of the big chev's had "quadrasteer" or 4 wheel steering a few years back.

So did MX6's

Link? Info?

[Mosko111]

i think the exclusion of show and shine/ engineering from the points scoring side of things is a good idea, because as someone who has never been to an event only read about it i had noticed that the not so "pretty" or "back to basics" style vehicles do really quite well on the driving courses but are held back alot on their overall score by lack of points on those two things, so now it opens it up even a bit more of a level playing field,
Good work!!

[jimmy087]

Very quiet thread!!!

You asked for it Pete!

Why isn't rear steer penalty greater than 5point's? Say 10?

Reverse is something that every "Factory" 4x4 has but Rear steer is some thing to no "Factory" 4x4 or 6x6 has and is Expensive no matter how you look at it (Hilux rear steer, GQ/GU Rear steer, MOG 404/406/413 Rear steer, Etc)

Because then there is no encoragement for people to use rear steer or build rear steer vehicles. It's a fact that the general spectator wants to see rear steer used. Even I enjoy watching rear steer rigs. Anyone can take ten reverses and clear a course. It takes a shit load more skill to clear a course with no penalties using only rear steer.

At ten points it's not worth using at all. But at five points it may be worth the risk but it could also cost you if you screw it up.

If this is a fact ruff then why is rock crawling dead in oz ??? actually i think and IMO that spectators love to see CARS similar to theres drive tuff stuff rather than a would be car as they are expected to drive it

[HANCOCK]

Very quiet thread!!!

You asked for it Pete!

Why isn't rear steer penalty greater than 5point's? Say 10?

Reverse is something that every "Factory" 4x4 has but Rear steer is some thing to no "Factory" 4x4 or 6x6 has and is Expensive no matter how you look at it (Hilux rear steer, GQ/GU Rear steer, MOG 404/406/413 Rear steer, Etc)

Because then there is no encoragement for people to use rear steer or build rear steer vehicles. It's a fact that the general spectator wants to see rear steer used. Even I enjoy watching rear steer rigs. Anyone can take ten reverses and clear a course. It takes a shit load more skill to clear a course with no penalties using only rear steer.

At ten points it's not worth using at all. But at five points it may be worth the risk but it could also cost you if you screw it up.

If this is a fact ruff then why is rock crawling dead in oz ??? actually i think and IMO that spectators love to see CARS similar to theres drive tuff stuff rather than a would be car as they are expected to drive it

X2......!

[Tuff Events]

Very quiet thread!!!

You asked for it Pete!

Why isn't rear steer penalty greater than 5point's? Say 10?

Reverse is something that every "Factory" 4x4 has but Rear steer is some thing to no "Factory" 4x4 or 6x6 has and is Expensive no matter how you look at it (Hilux rear steer, GQ/GU Rear steer, MOG 404/406/413 Rear steer, Etc)

Because then there is no encoragement for people to use rear steer or build rear steer vehicles. It's a fact that the general spectator wants to see rear steer used. Even I enjoy watching rear steer rigs. Anyone can take ten reverses and clear a course. It takes a shit load more skill to clear a course with no penalties using only rear steer.

At ten points it's not worth using at all. But at five points it may be worth the risk but it could also cost you if you screw it up.

If this is a fact ruff then why is rock crawling dead in oz ??? actually i think and IMO that spectators love to see CARS similar to theres drive tuff stuff rather than a would be car as they are expected to drive it

Rock Crawling in OZ is dead for one reason, It was never promoted to the extent that it required.
Full Credit to Sam & to cheezy to do what they did for all of us competitors, but they both had other agendas, ( as in business's to run )
To run a ongoing successful competition requires a huge dedication of time & a large supply of resources$$!!
Sam's own business is very successful, but requires his time & rock crawling was I believe encroaching on it time wise. therefore interfering.
Something has to give, especially when you have a family to consider. We can't all keep playing forever.

"IMO that spectators love to see CARS similar to theres drive tuff stuff"

If this were entirely true, then why was nissan trials, willowglen, etc, mostly only club based spectators. Because that is the only following it had.
They never significantly ever got a huge crowd to watch. these days what people drive are vastly different from the days when I would dare drive my old 40 down the road with 38's or even 44's on it!!
The Transport authorities are getting stricter & well unfortunately soon cars similar to "theres" won't even be capable to drive up a gutter because of the future outlook!

At the end of the day its entertainment, if it is then people will love to come & watch & be part of it. Monster trucks have a large following, but not because they are recognisable to the vehicles they drive! because its entertainment.

So thats where its up to the promoters to do what ever it takes to make there event entertaining whilst attracting it to more & more people.
Hence where the marketing side of things fit..
I have expanded the advertising budget for the 2011 event & we really do expect it to be a cracka!
The 2010 event definitely made an impact for the family atmosphere that we wanted & it was extremely overwhelming to hear many comments that guys will be bring their families & inviting their neighbors next year. Which is really great to hear.

.

[Webbie]

Very quiet thread!!!

You asked for it Pete!

Why isn't rear steer penalty greater than 5point's? Say 10?

Reverse is something that every "Factory" 4x4 has but Rear steer is some thing to no "Factory" 4x4 or 6x6 has and is Expensive no matter how you look at it (Hilux rear steer, GQ/GU Rear steer, MOG 404/406/413 Rear steer, Etc)

Because then there is no encoragement for people to use rear steer or build rear steer vehicles. It's a fact that the general spectator wants to see rear steer used. Even I enjoy watching rear steer rigs. Anyone can take ten reverses and clear a course. It takes a shit load more skill to clear a course with no penalties using only rear steer.

At ten points it's not worth using at all. But at five points it may be worth the risk but it could also cost you if you screw it up.

If this is a fact ruff then why is rock crawling dead in oz ??? actually i think and IMO that spectators love to see CARS similar to theres drive tuff stuff rather than a would be car as they are expected to drive it

X2......!

rock crawling isnt dead just looks different throught different events, as TTC now looks like rock crawling when we first started it, the reason it died was varied but the fact that thier was not entry level class had a lot to do with it............................................................blah blah blah this ruling actually mirrors that of the old rock crawling rules

[Tuff Events]

rock crawling isnt dead just looks different throught different events, as TTC now looks like rock crawling when we first started it, the reason it died was varied but the fact that thier was not entry level class had a lot to do with it............................................................blah blah blah this ruling actually mirrors that of the old rock crawling rules

Adding again to that. "rock crawling is dead"

I'd like to think of it more like ready to come back from the dead.. as it will be back.

[3.8BUNDY]

Rock Crawling in OZ is dead for one reason, It was never promoted to the extent that it required.


"IMO that spectators love to see CARS similar to theres drive tuff stuff"

If this were entirely true, then why was nissan trials, willowglen. etc, mostly only club based spectators.

Because
Nissan trials, willowglen. etc, were never promoted to the extent that it required.

The argument is old, every truck at TT has it's followers (yes, even the Bundy)
IMO,If the mix is bringing in the crowds, there is room for all.
I just hope the more advanced rigs don't start getting perfect scores and they have to build stages to slow them down which could just force the smaller rigs out.

[HIGH ROLLER]

Rock Crawling in OZ is dead for one reason, It was never promoted to the extent that it required.


"IMO that spectators love to see CARS similar to theres drive tuff stuff"

If this were entirely true, then why was nissan trials, willowglen. etc, mostly only club based spectators.

Because
Nissan trials, willowglen. etc, were never promoted to the extent that it required.

The argument is old, every truck at TT has it's followers (yes, even the Bundy)
IMO,If the mix is bringing in the crowds, there is room for all.
I just hope the more advanced rigs don't start getting perfect scores and they have to build stages to slow them down which could just force the smaller rigs out.

I think you will find the new rules will stop alot of people getting perfect scores, witch i think is good because too many people are getting perfect scores now. I think it will make it more competitive and will reward good and well thought out drives.
Bring on TT 2011 and the return of Rock Crawling

[Red Rover]

Very quiet thread!!!

You asked for it Pete!

Why isn't rear steer penalty greater than 5point's? Say 10?

Reverse is something that every "Factory" 4x4 has but Rear steer is some thing to no "Factory" 4x4 or 6x6 has and is Expensive no matter how you look at it (Hilux rear steer, GQ/GU Rear steer, MOG 404/406/413 Rear steer, Etc)

Because then there is no encoragement for people to use rear steer or build rear steer vehicles. It's a fact that the general spectator wants to see rear steer used. Even I enjoy watching rear steer rigs. Anyone can take ten reverses and clear a course. It takes a shit load more skill to clear a course with no penalties using only rear steer.

At ten points it's not worth using at all. But at five points it may be worth the risk but it could also cost you if you screw it up.

If this is a fact ruff then why is rock crawling dead in oz ??? actually i think and IMO that spectators love to see CARS similar to theres drive tuff stuff rather than a would be car as they are expected to drive it

X2......!

x 3 The very first tuff truck was the best

[Rhett]

Rockcrawling is as strong as it ever was in QLD. Single seaters are a bit thin on the ground, but there are plenty of two seater truggys up this way with more getting built.

[Tuff Events]

Rockcrawling is as strong as it ever was in QLD. Single seaters are a bit thin on the ground, but there are plenty of two seater truggys up this way with more getting built.

I was referring to werock / ozrock style events! There are a lot of guys that do rock crawling, but not too many events anymore.

I endeavor to get up to a superior all terrain, but I doubt if I'd bother bringing the single seater to that! My TT would be a better choice I think.

[B.D.R]

Pete if you're going to bring Crawling back, make sure there is something in Vic PLEASE

Down here if you not Winching through a 5' deep bog hole ya not driving apparantly

On the TT event last year, it was an awsome event, and there will be more Mexicans comming up next year for a look

[Macca413]

Pete if you're going to bring Crawling back, make sure there is something in Vic PLEASE

Down here if you not Winching through a 5' deep bog hole ya not driving apparantly

On the TT event last year, it was an awsome event, and there will be more Mexicans comming up next year for a look

X2 For sure!!!

[hazard44]

To just quote pete "IMO that spectators love to see CARS similar to theres drive tuff stuff"

We had heaps of people taking photos of our rig with there kids in it or on it, becasue they either had one once or still drive one today & people could relate to the Zook & would make coments like ''i wish my car could do that''

Spectators/people need to be able to relate to somthing to get there interest & TTC has done that very well with the body design & styling rules are 100% on the money..

The balance bettween mud & rock crawling at TTC gets every ones attention

Thats my opinion
Paul Team HAzard 2010

[DUDELUX]

To add to Hazards post above...
EVERYONE loved the Big White Fridge!!
Because its a full bodied vehicle that looks very similar to when it came from the factory. Apart from the big tyres, the big lift and all that barwork.

Im a big fan of the smaller rigs, anything that looks very similar to what can be driven on the road.
Take Team Salt and Pepper, for an example, its still driven on road and regoed. I saw it a couple of weeks ago in Edgeworth. Ive followed it through East Gosford.
I like watching real vehicles having a go.
Yes i do like the big dollar rigs too, but when you have a big budget to build a comprig, you get a big dollar rig.
I really like Tuff Truck as a comp, but if everyone was building big dollar rigs, ie; truggy style, it runs the risk of being a big dollar form of motorsport like the V8taxis. Therefore having no room for the guy that builds a lower budget truck.

Bring on the real 4Bs.
This is only my opinion.

PS I think that Willowglen and Toperi are great comps, and I will never miss them. And they have good crowds there each year.

[HIGH ROLLER]

To add to Hazards post above...
EVERYONE loved the Big White Fridge!!
Because its a full bodied vehicle that looks very similar to when it came from the factory. Apart from the big tyres, the big lift and all that barwork.

Im a big fan of the smaller rigs, anything that looks very similar to what can be driven on the road.
Take Team Salt and Pepper, for an example, its still driven on road and regoed. I saw it a couple of weeks ago in Edgeworth. Ive followed it through East Gosford.
I like watching real vehicles having a go.
Yes i do like the big dollar rigs too, but when you have a big budget to build a comprig, you get a big dollar rig.
I really like Tuff Truck as a comp, but if everyone was building big dollar rigs, ie; truggy style, it runs the risk of being a big dollar form of motorsport like the V8taxis. Therefore having no room for the guy that builds a lower budget truck.

Bring on the real 4Bs.
This is only my opinion.

PS I think that Willowglen and Toperi are great comps, and I will never miss them. And they have good crowds there each year.

What do you call Dan's truck (A1) it's not a big dollar rig nor does it have all the bell's and whistles and neither does Rhetts and he placed 3rd. You just need to get to know your truck and what it can do.
And putt all this together along with good team work to get to the pointy end. There are heaps of trucks that compete that could also get up in the top 10 if not 5.

[MogLux]

To add to Hazards post above...
EVERYONE loved the Big White Fridge!!
Because its a full bodied vehicle that looks very similar to when it came from the factory. Apart from the big tyres, the big lift and all that barwork.

Im a big fan of the smaller rigs, anything that looks very similar to what can be driven on the road.
Take Team Salt and Pepper, for an example, its still driven on road and regoed. I saw it a couple of weeks ago in Edgeworth. Ive followed it through East Gosford.
I like watching real vehicles having a go.
Yes i do like the big dollar rigs too, but when you have a big budget to build a comprig, you get a big dollar rig.
I really like Tuff Truck as a comp, but if everyone was building big dollar rigs, ie; truggy style, it runs the risk of being a big dollar form of motorsport like the V8taxis. Therefore having no room for the guy that builds a lower budget truck.

Bring on the real 4Bs.
This is only my opinion.

PS I think that Willowglen and Toperi are great comps, and I will never miss them. And they have good crowds there each year.

What do you call Dan's truck (A1) it's not a big dollar rig nor does it have all the bell's and whistles and neither does Rhetts and he placed 3rd. You just need to get to know your truck and what it can do.
And putt all this together along with good team work to get to the pointy end. There are heaps of trucks that compete that could also get up in the top 10 if not 5.

Dudelux, Ben is 100% on the money. If you go through the top 10 at TTC 2010 there really is only 3 $$$ trucks in it.... and really go through this yrs complete field there really arent that many big dollar machines. Neally 90% of the field do all there own work (building, repairing etc...) which cuts down on price. Just because cars have air shocks or coil overs or even rear steer doesnt make a truck big $$$$.

You cant compare Willowglen or even Toperi to Tuff Truck, they are completely different style events, they might involve rocks, mud etc... but its on a different scale.....and they have much larger restictions. There is no comp in NSW and possiblely Aus that can compare to TTC.

[DIRTY ROCK STAR]

rock crawling isnt dead just looks different throught different events, as TTC now looks like rock crawling when we first started it, the reason it died was varied but the fact that thier was not entry level class had a lot to do with it............................................................blah blah blah this ruling actually mirrors that of the old rock crawling rules

Adding again to that. "rock crawling is dead"

I'd like to think of it more like ready to come back from the dead.. as it will be back.

wouldnt you be better sinking your hard earned into rock racing?
seems like better entertainment to me.
didnt sam promote the eastern creek and grafton events heavily? and i hear the crowds were disapointing.

rock crawling events seem to only draw the dedicated few in australia. people just wont turn up to watch buggys drive slow.

but back to the TTC rules, the more like a factory vehicle that entrants have to be the better IMO. maybe a poll should be done at the event. ask the punter what they think. buggy or truck? queer steer or not?
see what the people paying to watch think?

more promotion will only help the cause. get it on the radio or TV. billboards and stuff.
alot of people still dont know the event exists, these are the people you need to reach to grow the event to the next level? shopping centre displays maybe?

but a top job having the cops there in 2010. the event ran alot smoother.

[WICKED]

alot of people still dont know the event exists, these are the people you need to reach to grow the event to the next level? shopping centre displays maybe?

I'd be happy to help with promoting up here Pete.