UNREGISTERED VEHICLES for 2011 Tough Tracks Challenge ???

[bowtie landie]

Due to recent changes in Event Insurance for the Tough Tracks 4WD Club, the committee is calling for 'Expressions of Interest' in an OUTLAW or Un-registered Vehicle Class. This topic will be discussed at the next general meeting on Wednesday 1st September at 7.30pm at the Moss St International Hotel.

ANYONE (club member or not) is welcome to attend and be part of the discussion. This is NOT to say that the club will definately adopt this class - it will be dependant on the interest received from people to compete - and run this class. Maybe the outlaw / un-reg class can be run on the challenge class tracks - maybe challenge class can incorporate the outlaw / un-reg vehicles - maybe the challenge class rules can just be broadened to incorporate the outlaw / un-reg vehicles.

These 'maybe's are just to get people thinking about it - come up with your own ideas and present them at the meeting - if you can't get to the meeting then phone some-one who is going so they can represent your ideas.

The committee will be updating the rules for all classes before round 1 next year and if we are to include the outlaw / un-reg vehicles then we need to get this discussion underway with-out delay - so MARK IT IN YOUR DIARY - WEDNESDAY 1ST. SEPTEMBER - MOSS ST INTERNATIONAL.

Peter K.

[johnsy86]

sounds good will be good to hear peoples ideas on this , i know ill be there.

[bubs]

sounds good, will be able to run the truggy

[WICKED]

I am very Interested in this class. I will try too get to the meeting.I have spoken too a few people and they too are keen and will try attend the meeting. I'll let them post there thought's.

Personal I think rules along the line's of Tuff Truck would perfect.

I would be happy to help Offical and set the tracks, say on the friday, and help any way I can as long as I can still drive.

[WICKED]

sounds good, will be able to run the truggy

With more and more builds going this way and rego'd not being an option for most I think it's the whole idea!

[Rolly]

would be interested in helping set this up and competing .
as ben said the best way would be tt specs as there are alot of cars built and being built to these specs.

[wardy]

I think you will have a good response as we do not have many decent comps to enter in south east qld. If this goes ahead I will be entering

[STIKA]

Would this include buggies?

[bowtie landie]

Would this include buggies?

Can't see why not?? - Bring it up at the meeting.

[STIKA]

I wont be able to make it

[bowtie landie]

This topic will be printed at 5.30 pm on Wed 1st Sep and taken to the meeting.
For those who can't make it to the meeting and have suggestions for discussion, you can post in this topic & I will present them at the meeting.

Peter K.

[dave]

sound interesting

[11_evl]

sound interesting

very interesting

[sloshy]

Any idea on the entry fee Pete?

[bowtie landie]

It is only a topic for discussion at this stage Dan - details are yet to be determined.

However - being as the club would be looking at sponsors to cover the cost of the trophies, and volunteers to set up the tracks & official them, then I can see no reason why the entry fee would not be the same as it is for the existing classes.

Peter K.

[Troll00]

Need to come to this, to see what the go is.
Could have a man made track near Brisbane for 2012 if this can take off

[Rolly]

only my opinion but i think the tracks should be made by the competitors and the competitors can official each other that way there is no burden on the club to find officials and if the competitors build the tracks then there is no complaining about its to hard or doesnt suit there car or buggy .

cheers brett

[WICKED]

only my opinion but i think the tracks should be made by the competitors and the competitors can official each other that way there is no burden on the club to find officials and if the competitors build the tracks then there is no complaining about its to hard or doesnt suit there car or buggy .

cheers brett

x 2 but ditch the Buggy bit. Tuff Truck Rules

[GQHUNGRY]

I would like to think the same competition rules would apply as in the other classes, the thing to discuss is the vehicle requirements, costs and the way they are passed to run by tough tracks. I would like to see this happen as there are more and more cars being built that would like to compete but have nothing to compete in, will be interesting to see who turns up at the meeting.

[Rolly]

the same rules cant apply as most of these cars either have rear steer or have rear disconect and can dig . just keep it simple the same as tuff truck and you wont have any issues.
ben as for buggies what is the problem with the buggies running the same track as the truggies and get scored seperatly that way there no seperate tracks to build and we wont need any more officials .
there are still a few buggies out there that would love to compete and i think if there is an oppertunity for all class of vehicles to compete we should all support tough tracks and make it happen.

[RUFF]

only my opinion but i think the tracks should be made by the competitors and the competitors can official each other that way there is no burden on the club to find officials and if the competitors build the tracks then there is no complaining about its to hard or doesnt suit there car or buggy .

cheers brett

x 2 but ditch the Buggy bit. Tuff Truck Rules

So you have no issue compeating against Dave Camp but dont want to compeate against buggies?

[WICKED]

only my opinion but i think the tracks should be made by the competitors and the competitors can official each other that way there is no burden on the club to find officials and if the competitors build the tracks then there is no complaining about its to hard or doesnt suit there car or buggy .

cheers brett

x 2 but ditch the Buggy bit. Tuff Truck Rules

So you have no issue compeating against Dave Camp but dont want to compeate against buggies?

Correct. Every one know Dave's started life as you "Budgy" but they it has been remade to a set of rules and Reg's (Tuff Truck) Mitch's Buggy, and all other's, was build to an ideal offroad crawler not a set of boundaries. Thats the whole idea of a buggy. Start from scratch and build what you want were you want. etc. There's body width's, length's, height's, weight positioning, location, floor hieght's etc aren't set.

[WICKED]

the same rules cant apply as most of these cars either have rear steer or have rear disconect and can dig . just keep it simple the same as tuff truck and you wont have any issues.
ben as for buggies what is the problem with the buggies running the same track as the truggies and get scored seperatly that way there no seperate tracks to build and we wont need any more officials .
there are still a few buggies out there that would love to compete and i think if there is an oppertunity for all class of vehicles to compete we should all support tough tracks and make it happen.

As a second class No worries! As 1 class, they will drive thing's easy were a car will struggle then they will say "Make it harder" then the cars won't get anywere and break trying.

[RUFF]

only my opinion but i think the tracks should be made by the competitors and the competitors can official each other that way there is no burden on the club to find officials and if the competitors build the tracks then there is no complaining about its to hard or doesnt suit there car or buggy .

cheers brett

x 2 but ditch the Buggy bit. Tuff Truck Rules

So you have no issue compeating against Dave Camp but dont want to compeate against buggies?

Correct. Every one know Dave's started life as you "Budgy" but they it has been remade to a set of rules and Reg's (Tuff Truck) Mitch's Buggy, and all other's, was build to an ideal offroad crawler not a set of boundaries. Thats the whole idea of a buggy. Start from scratch and build what you want were you want. etc. There's body width's, length's, height's, weight positioning, location, floor hieght's etc aren't set.

But Daves rig is still way more capable than almost any if not all other buggy's in QLD.

You want a new class ben. You need rigs to fill it.

Its pretty clear to everyone you really want a class that your car will be competitive in. That class allready exsists but you chose to fit 40" tyres.

[cut 4B]

buggys ,truggys ,tuff trucks , should all be in together i wish i could make this meeting . i used to love going to tuff tracks comps they are great fun and thats what its all about fun your not wining sheep stations . if you dont want to compete dont turn up .if you dont like the class get 37s and stop crying

[dck7aok]

Lets face facts.... how many buggies do you think will turn up that are more capable than your average tuff truck. Besides most of us current buggy drivers can't drive to save our lives....and those who can drive don't bother to turn up.....
I can't make the meeting. I would where possible compete. Happy to marshall for the other competitors.
Regards Dan

[johnsy86]

just as long as u dont require rego im in, ill compete against buggys,truggys or even MQ's with 40" treps lol, just for fun and to test myself and my vehicle.

[RUFF]

Just to make it clear. Take anything I say with a grain of salt. I doubt I will ever compete anyway as I have nothing to compete in and am in no hurry to build another comp vehicle.

But my opinion is the class needs to suit Tuff Truck build rules as there are more cars here in SEQ that currently are not buggies but have no other event to compete in either because they dont have rego or their tyres are too big.

I spoke with Ben today and basicaly his concerns centred around the fact that Buggies can drive lines and between things he could never possibly fit through and that they would eventually dictate how hard the courses are. Fact is most of the SEQ Tuff Truck spec vehicles would drive through the exact same lines as a buggy and chances are the courses will end up just as hard with or without buggies. This can be easily fixed by running bonus lines. So the lesser vehicles still have a chance to finish the courses. They prob won't win but if all the TTC style vehicles are driving the same course with no bonus lines then the lesser built vehicles are still not going to have a chance anyway.

What im trying to say is run the TTC style vehicles and maybe even allow buggies to compete but add Bonus/Buggy lines to level the field maybe. I can't imagine there are enough true buggies willing to compete left to run another seperate class for them so maybe make the bonus lines compulsory for them.

[carefactor]

This industry has to stop trying to pull people DOWN to there level and start trying to push and climb to a higher level, and its not just dollars, the key things are seat time /driving skill and build quality its not just big dollar parts they are usless if they dont stay on the vehicle. I know for a fact that the few buggy guys out there just love to drive and compete, and wouldnt have a problem with some sort of handicap syatem to try and bring the field closer together ie compulsory bonus stages is a top idea. Just another point, Y is it that the buggy guys can admit to learning a thing or two wen competing with the cars/truggies or winch guys but some of them dont see it the other way . I know this is a generalisation and not everyone out there is the same, but why is it when we get the chance for an unregistered comp we ask the question buggies or no buggies, there should be no question other than how can we make it work for all vehicles. Its a simple fact the more people involved the more money circulating the industry therefore better for all .

[dizzy]

This industry has to stop trying to pull people DOWN to there level and start trying to push and climb to a higher level, and its not just dollars, the key things are seat time /driving skill and build quality its not just big dollar parts they are usless if they dont stay on the vehicle. I know for a fact that the few buggy guys out there just love to drive and compete, and wouldnt have a problem with some sort of handicap syatem to try and bring the field closer together ie compulsory bonus stages is a top idea. Just another point, Y is it that the buggy guys can admit to learning a thing or two wen competing with the cars/truggies or winch guys but some of them dont see it the other way . I know this is a generalisation and not everyone out there is the same, but why is it when we get the chance for an unregistered comp we ask the question buggies or no buggies, there should be no question other than how can we make it work for all vehicles. Its a simple fact the more people involved the more money circulating the industry therefore better for all .

x2 and you will also get more people wanting to follow more types of trucks/events
dizzy