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King of the Hammers 2011 trip planning / JV info

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Post by napsta »

Ruff not sure if this is the right spot, but seemed logical?

Thought I'd dump some ideas into a thread to help anyone who's keen to come and check out KOH this year - I know there's a few already coming and a few more thinking about it. Feel free to add if you have found out anything / been before.

Dates: 6 - 12 Feb 2011
Ultra4 racing -Griffin King of the Hammers
Johnson Valley California
- Sunday Feb 6th 2011 Event move in. Driver registration and check in, course map release pre-running starts. Welcome party, and opening drivers meeting in the Hammertown Lounge
- Monday Feb 7th Pre-running continues, vendor show move in. Pre-run hospitality lunch on course, seminars begin.
- Tuesday Feb 8th Pre-running continues seminar schedule increases, last chance to register drivers vendor move in.
- Weds Feb 9th 4wheel parts Last Chance Qualifier, vendor show opens, vendor mixer
- Thursday Feb 10th Vendor show, UTV race, contingency line, pre-running closed, trail rides, Raceline show and shine, pit crew challenge. Most prepared club contest.
- Friday the 11th The 5th running of the Griffin King of the Hammers Approx 150 Mile 4wheel endurance race.

Distances:
LAX - JV: 154 miles, 3+ hours (traffic in LA is unpredictable at best)
Las Vegas - JV: 213 miles, 4+ hours

Other nearby airports:

Ontario, CA
Palm Springs, CA

Closest Towns:
Lucerne - 25 mins?
Yucca Valley - 20 mins
Palm Springs is the closest with decent hotels.

Driving:
You can drive in the US on your valid Australian license for up to 3 months. The majority of RV's can be driven on a standard car license.
Cheap 2wd rental cars can drive to the lakebed if you are careful. They cannot drive up backdoor.

RV rental:
Corona Motorhome Rentals did us a KOH discount last year. They were cheap, but we did have a few issues:
http://www.coronamotorhomerentals.com/rv.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
They can deliver to the lakebed if you just want to turn up - not a bad idea if you don't have time to stuff around.

Cruise America is the Thrifty of RV rentals. Lot's of people use them - usually smaller motorhomes.

You will probably need to have your holding tanks pumped out during the week. There are pump trucks that cruise the lakebed, however they are hard to organise, and need to be able to get to you (we got massively parked in this year). I think it cost $20.

There are HEAPs of hidden costs in RV rental. Insurance, propane, fuel, cleaning, pumpout, towing surcharge. You usually have to pay extra for bedding, kitchen stuff like plates. We bought a cheap bbq from Walmart. Cooking would have been difficult without it, however maybe team up with people to share this sort of stuff. The guys also bought some cheap camp chairs and sleeping bags once they got there because what they gave us for the motorhome was minimal.

Other Options:
People do camp out there. There are porta loos on site, but no showers.

Temps/weather:
Celcius: During the day it can get into the high 20's. You may be running round in shorts and t shirts. At night it can get very cold - below zero. There is a huge daily temperature variation. It snowed at JV the week before KOH 2010. The wind out there can be cold and brutal, day and night. Knowing JV it will be windy at least one day of race week. It rained last year too so that is possible. When it rains the lakebed turns to sticky clay mud that gets everywhere.

Tickets / Spectating:
KOH is a free event and as such there are no tickets, however expect there to be major changes to spectating this year. Drivers have been informed they will be disqualified if a spectator assists them this year (previously it was ok). I expect they will try to keep people back from canyons such as sledge. There is a heap of spectator safety information on the KOH website, please read it and take personal responsibility for your own safety. Don't stand on the outside of turns, or where you could get in the way in the rocks. Be aware of other spectators above you in the canyon - one of the only injuries this year was from a rock fall caused by another spectator.

Getting around:
KOH is miles from the nearest town. You may be able to organise a lift there on Pirate4x4 - I did this in 2009. Rental cars or RV's are the best. In terms of getting around out there, it's a big place. Backdoor is about the only bit you can walk to, altho the boys got keen and walked to Sledge last year too. Thumbing a lift around the event site is possible if you are up for that.
There are companies that rent rhinos / UTVs that you can tow behind your RV (if the rv company lets you). They are not cheap, at about $1000 a week, however you can get 4 person ones that are handy.

Phones / Internet:
Global roaming is expensive!!! You also usually need to request it to be turned on before you leave Aus and can take a couple of days. On the lakebed reception is limited. My optus phone roaming gets nothing. telstra is extremely limited but possible if you drive to the other side of the lake bed.

In terms of getting an American phone, Verizon is the best. I get almost full reception all over the place out there. AT&T is limited. Most of the cheap pre paid companies have no reception. A lot of american companies use different technology, so it's sometimes not as easy as buying a new sim card.

Internet again is extremely limited. Some of my friends have Verizon card that seem to work well. If you global roam with data you will spend more on your phone than your flights.

Resources:
- This page :P
- pirate4x4.com
- http://www.kingofthehammers.com/pdfs/Ultra4" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; Tour dates.pdf
- http://www.kingofthehammers.com/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

- kayak.com - good for cheap domestic US flights

Other tips:
If going to Vegas, Planet Hollywood has free secure oversize / RV parking for guests. No where else actually on the strip has this. I think it really is worth staying on the actual stip.
Grand Canyon is a long way from Vegas, even if you go on the tourist flight. If you go cheap it will be a 4am bus ride that get's back at 10pm, and it's still a pretty full on day on the little plane.

If people are honking and flashing their lights at you, you are probably on the wrong side of the road.

Some RV companies offer airport pickup which is handy as they usually are in the middle of nowhere

Do not get american dollars from any airport foreign exchange places, they give you the worst deal. I find it best to have a couple of dollars on me on the way over in case of emergency just withdraw from the ATM when I get there. You will get charged fees for this, and also anytime you use your credit card.

Have some cash with you when you come out to the event, as there's heaps of stuff to buy. The boys last year bought things from T shits, race books, plasma ropes, steering pumps and angle thingys. There is a trade show and they will usually be willing to do deals.

Radios: Most of the racers use private frequencies on VHF radios. If you know anyone that can lend you one you can listen in.
KOH Race Control: 157.450
BFG Pits: 153.395
Weatherman: 151.625
BFG Race Relay: 151.715
BN Motorsports: 151.295

Need anything? I plan on being out there Saturday or Sunday. My trailer will have a big Australian flag. If anyone has any more tips please add.
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oh yeah, http://www.supershuttle.com/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; is useful if you need to get from the airport to your RV / hotel.
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Top work mate, this is all awesome info and is great that you have gone to the effort to put it up here!! :armsup:
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good stuff ben!, i think there should be 4 of us comin, rhinos arent cheap to hire! 250 us a day plus i think 15$ a day for insurance, that gives you 4hrs of driving per day, anything after that is 40$ per hour!, why arent these rental places open on a sunday! would be so much easier!, were lookin at startin of in vegas and drivin in and out and spendin about a week there after jv!
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try the corona guy. he will probably deliver to the lakebed. Cost us $1000 for the week including insurance i think. Still stupidly expensive, but I'm sure once the Pirates were done with it it had over a grand in wear and tear!
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Got an email from them this morn, all they have left is the quad lol, waiting to hear bak from some other places
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look on craigslist for a $1000 suzuki / 4 runner
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Great info Ben,

2011 is no go for me unfortunately but 2012 is almost guarranteed.



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Nice job Ben, thanks for going to all the effort to post it, would love to come but wont have the funds for 2011.
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napsta wrote:try the corona guy. he will probably deliver to the lakebed. Cost us $1000 for the week including insurance i think. Still stupidly expensive, but I'm sure once the Pirates were done with it it had over a grand in wear and tear!

We tried Our Best ...twas awesome over the Woops Following Hanysie on Chris R's Cr lol ...(with 2 People) ...with 4 you certainly knew about the rear Bump Stops ....Just Dont Loose the Flag off the back .....or you may need to do a Night Reccy Mission all Over JV to FInd it ;) ....BUT WE DID FIND IT .... :armsup:

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Booked our flights today :armsup:
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what did ya pay? goin with virgin?
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Yes Virgin. Got returns for $1300 a person.

Im flying from Bris-Syd-LA-Vegas. We land in LA around 9am but don't connect to Vegas till 6pm :shock: But thats ok we will jump on a bus/train/cab and have a look around LA as well.
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Don't go too far in LA, traffic can change in a blink of an eye although there is some cool stuff near LAX.




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Man all around lax is a ghetto haha, 6pm? You sure?, delta have flights to Vegas evry couPle hrs, we look at gettin n bout 8am, there's flights to Vegas at 11, 2, 4 and 6 from memory
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Hoping to make it in 2012 aswell ....all going to plan. this race goes off....wish we had a similar series here in OZ :armsup:
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RUFF wrote:Yes Virgin. Got returns for $1300 a person.

Im flying from Bris-Syd-LA-Vegas. We land in LA around 9am but don't connect to Vegas till 6pm :shock: But thats ok we will jump on a bus/train/cab and have a look around LA as well.
which day are you flying through. If i'm not deep in prep or already on the lake bed I'll show you guys around
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napsta wrote:
RUFF wrote:Yes Virgin. Got returns for $1300 a person.

Im flying from Bris-Syd-LA-Vegas. We land in LA around 9am but don't connect to Vegas till 6pm :shock: But thats ok we will jump on a bus/train/cab and have a look around LA as well.
which day are you flying through. If i'm not deep in prep or already on the lake bed I'll show you guys around

We fly into LA on the Sun 6th. Will be on the lake bed some time on the Mon 7th and back in Vegas on the Sat 12th. We fly out of Vegas on the Wed 16th.

We are going to hire a Grand Cherokee for the full 10 days as well. So will be sorted to get around at JV. Obviously we are not going wheeling but it should get us close enough to the action.
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im planin to be in vegas until the 21st :armsup: , think we might even be on the same flight ruff, were lookin at gettin there on sunday aswell, stayin the night in vegas then leave for jv monday :D
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RUFF wrote: We are going to hire a Grand Cherokee for the full 10 days as well. So will be sorted to get around at JV. Obviously we are not going wheeling but it should get us close enough to the action.
Nothing goes further up sledge than a rental.... Some of the rental places in Vegas do rubicons with lockers. See if someone can use their aussie accent to scam a free upgrade.

I'll probably be heading out Saturday or Sunday. Randy is running in the LCQ so we will be out there early.
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rv and rhino booked :armsup:
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So here's some more information for you all that I received over the weekend:

This years race will be approxemently 120 miles in length
New for 2011 the race course will be two approx 60 mile long laps. Yes that's correct the 2011 Griffin King of the Hammers will follow the format of the other Ultra4 endurance races and be a lap race. The 2010 year taught us a number of things and feed back for lap races was the largest positive feedback we received. Following the California 200 tragedy Spectator safety has become paramount in our efforts to produce a race. The Ultra4 Stampede was the test model for a number of items we learned in 2010. Most important was the ability to manage a safe spectator area.
There will be two designated Pit stop locations. Main pit and one remote pit stop location that can be used at race mile 30, 40, 90, and 100. Mileage is estimated at this time plus or minus 5 Miles. Remote Pit will be closed to spectators. You must have a pit pass to access this area. In the past we received concern for safety in the remote pit areas. This is a direct result of our racers talking to us on how to make the race a better and safer experience for all.

In 2011 we will begin a new process at King of the Hammers. KOH will no longer be free to spectators. After much debate concerning the increased costs to produce this race, and how best to recover the additional expense, we felt it would be unfair to increase the drivers entry fees to a level that would cover the BLM's new requirements. Although we have had to show an increase in driver entry fees, we hope to spread the expense to the element that has created that cost and charge admission to spectators for this event. It will be a daunting task to manage, and we ask that all teams work with us to insure the tradition of this race continues for years to come.

We are also asking for help educating our spectators and fan's about the dangerous conditions that occur when fans get too close to the race course. We are working with BLM to identify a number of spectator areas and how best to enforce these areas.
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napsta wrote:So here's some more information for you all that I received over the weekend:

This years race will be approxemently 120 miles in length
New for 2011 the race course will be two approx 60 mile long laps. Yes that's correct the 2011 Griffin King of the Hammers will follow the format of the other Ultra4 endurance races and be a lap race. The 2010 year taught us a number of things and feed back for lap races was the largest positive feedback we received. Following the California 200 tragedy Spectator safety has become paramount in our efforts to produce a race. The Ultra4 Stampede was the test model for a number of items we learned in 2010. Most important was the ability to manage a safe spectator area.
There will be two designated Pit stop locations. Main pit and one remote pit stop location that can be used at race mile 30, 40, 90, and 100. Mileage is estimated at this time plus or minus 5 Miles. Remote Pit will be closed to spectators. You must have a pit pass to access this area. In the past we received concern for safety in the remote pit areas. This is a direct result of our racers talking to us on how to make the race a better and safer experience for all.

In 2011 we will begin a new process at King of the Hammers. KOH will no longer be free to spectators. After much debate concerning the increased costs to produce this race, and how best to recover the additional expense, we felt it would be unfair to increase the drivers entry fees to a level that would cover the BLM's new requirements. Although we have had to show an increase in driver entry fees, we hope to spread the expense to the element that has created that cost and charge admission to spectators for this event. It will be a daunting task to manage, and we ask that all teams work with us to insure the tradition of this race continues for years to come.

We are also asking for help educating our spectators and fan's about the dangerous conditions that occur when fans get too close to the race course. We are working with BLM to identify a number of spectator areas and how best to enforce these areas.
i could see the changes coming, last year on sledge was downright crazy if it kept on goin like that it would only be only a matter of time before there would be people killed on course

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So entry to the Last Chance Qualifer has been open for a little over a week and it has already filled, with 50 paid entires and a waiting list. Should actually be a decent race this year with only 10 people going into the big race.

1.)Shawn Inman car # 187
2.)Scott Sines car # 88
3.)BJ Allen car # 4426
4.)Harold Fijman car # 777
5.)Michael Smith car # 56
6.)Billy Briney car # 4439
7.)Alex Hardaway car # 421
8.)Paul Hoffman car # 4483
9.)Jeff Hollfelder Car # 67
10.)Warren Thomas Car # 257
11.)Derren Henke Car # 4441
12.)David Buchberger car # 911
13.)Jermey Hengl car # 85
14.)Ryan Pierce car # 72
15.)Gregg McNair Car # 1544
16.)Brian Tilton car # 4416
17.)Keith Northrup car # 1028
18.)Joe Bunker car # 864
19.)Michael Foster car # 3430
20.)Joey Archuleta car # 127
21.)Mike Stowe car # 269
22.)Ritchie Carter car # 4474
23.)Gary Ferravanti JR. Car # 117
24.)John Goodby car # 450
25.)Bill Kreisel car # 407
26.)Andy Johnson Car # 124
27.)Louie Keener car # 4496
28.)Chris Pook car # 4477
29.)Randy Slawson Car # 4448
30.)Jon Moulden car # 2175
31.)John Bennett car # 4491
32.)Brian Shirley car # 18
33.)Levi Shirley car # 81
34.)Jason Blanton Car # 966
35.)Jack Childers Car # 4469
36.)Jon Cagliero car # 27
37.)Joel Withers car # 4447
38.)Tim Diekman car # 4343
39.)Jim Brown car # 104
40.)Matt Peterson car # 212
41.)Rusty Bray Car # 4498
42.) Terill Johnson Car # 4442
43.) Mike Klensin Car # 143
44.)Nathan Unruh Car # 63
45.)Jason Fowler car # 879
46.)Craig Ross car # 4138
47.)Casey Beach
48.)Rob Lynch
49.)Chris Garrison
50.)Dustyn Friesen
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For anyone wondering exactly where KOH is held. Put this into Google Maps- Means Dry Lake, Landers, San Bernardino, California 92285, United States
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Ok so we have scraped the idea of a motor home. Its only 35min + the time it takes to get back out onto the road from the lake to go back into Yucca Valley. We can get a room in there for the 4 of us for as little as $100 a night. Which works out cheaper and easier than a motor home. And we wont run out of water or fill the turd tank every day. Or having to clean it to get our deposit back. We will also prob rent a 4door JK Wrangler in Las Vegas as well. Looking like $890 for the 10 days we are there.
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Mate, it's your call, but I really think you will get much more out of it if you stay out there in a motorhome.
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napsta wrote:Mate, it's your call, but I really think you will get much more out of it if you stay out there in a motorhome.
agreed eleventy billion!, its so much fun tryin to hunt down the turd truck and limit ya showers to 32 seconds!! :armsup:
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Who's going so far Ruff?
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