New Warn 6hp gets HOT! URGENT troubleshooting help needed.

[BabyGodzillaGTi-R]

The new motors will bolt on. You will most likely need to buy a pinion gear though. As the newer motors use a splined pinion gear and the older ones used a Key-way.
mine is an older model and the new 6hp fitted no issues once the pinion gear turned up.
From memory the pinion gear is only about $30.

The pulling power of my M8274 was very disappointing compared to my old 8000lb PTO.

So u are currently running a M8274 with a 6hp motor?
Just curious how much does the 6hp motor cost u down under?
U mentioned about a certain part that needs to be repleaced, is this the part?
Item 6: 15879 MOTOR PINION GEAR
http://www.warn.com/truck/ReplacementPa ... 7492F3.pdf

Now you are getting me worried of the abilities of the M8274.
It's fitted on to which truck and how heavy is it?
When you say 8000lbs PTO winch, is it a factory PTO winch or an aftermarket winch of sorts?

However i do agree that the PTO is a far more reliable winch and it keeps pulling forever until the engine motor blows or runs out of fuel.
Unfortunately i don't think it's straight forward to setup a PTO winch on my truck as i'm running a Hilux gearbox and TC. However i noticed there is a 4 bolt blanking plate on the TC on mine.

Sometimes i do ponder if the Hilux G52 gearbox would bolt directly on to a Landcruiser II (Bundera) transfer case with PTO or even my old Rocky transfercase thats sitting around. Apparently the Rocky TC too has a PTO port for the factory Toyota Aisin PTO winch. However finding the PTO for it is another story. I do wonder if its the same PTO as the LC too.

[GQ4.8coilcab]

The new motors will bolt on. You will most likely need to buy a pinion gear though. As the newer motors use a splined pinion gear and the older ones used a Key-way.
mine is an older model and the new 6hp fitted no issues once the pinion gear turned up.
From memory the pinion gear is only about $30.

The pulling power of my M8274 was very disappointing compared to my old 8000lb PTO.

So u are currently running a M8274 with a 6hp motor?
Just curious how much does the 6hp motor cost u down under?
U mentioned about a certain part that needs to be repleaced, is this the part?
Item 6: 15879 MOTOR PINION GEAR
http://www.warn.com/truck/ReplacementPa ... 7492F3.pdf

Now you are getting me worried of the abilities of the M8274.
It's fitted on to which truck and how heavy is it?
When you say 8000lbs PTO winch, is it a factory PTO winch or an aftermarket winch of sorts?

However i do agree that the PTO is a far more reliable winch and it keeps pulling forever until the engine motor blows or runs out of fuel.
Unfortunately i don't think it's straight forward to setup a PTO winch on my truck as i'm running a Hilux gearbox and TC. However i noticed there is a 4 bolt blanking plate on the TC on mine.

Sometimes i do ponder if the Hilux G52 gearbox would bolt directly on to a Landcruiser II (Bundera) transfer case with PTO or even my old Rocky transfercase thats sitting around. Apparently the Rocky TC too has a PTO port for the factory Toyota Aisin PTO winch. However finding the PTO for it is another story. I do wonder if its the same PTO as the LC too.

if you pull the motor out and it has a splined shaft youll be fine, if its a very early model with a keyway motor then you need to replace the gear.

[turps]

So u are currently running a M8274 with a 6hp motor?
Just curious how much does the 6hp motor cost u down under?
U mentioned about a certain part that needs to be repleaced, is this the part?
Item 6: 15879 MOTOR PINION GEAR
http://www.warn.com/truck/ReplacementPa ... 7492F3.pdf

Now you are getting me worried of the abilities of the M8274.
It's fitted on to which truck and how heavy is it?
When you say 8000lbs PTO winch, is it a factory PTO winch or an aftermarket winch of sorts?

PTO was a Thomas worm drive 8000lb winch. Mine was PTO shaft driven, but there was an elec version. Mine used the Nissan factory PTO on the GQ 5spd. It wasnt really fast as GQ's only have forwards and back. It was fitted to a GQ SWB wagon, setup more as a tourer with big tyres. So was heavy.
Where as my M8274 is fitted to a GQ ute on 37's. But even watching the comp car setups. I think the only benefit the elec had was when there was a small amount of traction. As the winch can keep up with wheel speed. Where as with the pto, the wheel speed in 1st low is way faster than the winch speed. In the slop not a big issue. But rock terrain it could be a pain.

Oh and the M8274 was fitted with a 6hp motor connected to two 12v batterys. With a Titan solinoid.

[joeblow]

If you are after a winch that will outperform the Warn 9.5 take a look at the ComeUp 9.5. Far superior in quality than a Warn.

[Mosko111]

Where can the comeup winches be purchased from joeblow? Are the well priced?

[joeblow]

Where can the comeup winches be purchased from joeblow? Are the well priced?

The Premier and Bushranger winches are both made by ComeUp.

A standard issue 9000 is about $1150 ish. They also have higher spec jobs.

[Struth]

I would reccomend the King One winches from Avenger 4x4 as well.

I have put plenty of these in customers cars, all machined components (no pressed crap) external brake so the free spool is just that true free spool, clutch is very easy to use no force required, water proof solenoid, 9500 Lb with synthetic and fairlead only $1195 even comes with a free snatch block in the box.

[joeblow]

I would reccomend the King One winches from Avenger 4x4 as well.

Good to see the Chinese copying the Taiwanese ComeUp.

[GUtripper]

I would recommend a Gigglepin.
But I won't.

[Struth]

I would reccomend the King One winches from Avenger 4x4 as well.

Good to see the Chinese copying the Taiwanese ComeUp.

Not sure who makes them but they are good

[BabyGodzillaGTi-R]

I would recommend a Gigglepin.
But I won't.

Hey bro i finally did the unthinkable.
I bought a Ramsey winch......

Not...

I acquired a M8274-50....
Anything i should do to the winch before installing it?
Fit in drains holes?
Upgrade wirings?

Don't mention Gigglepin coz i can only afford to Giggle as laughing is free of charge lol...

Will snap pics in due course.
to myself hehe...

[GUtripper]

Given it's in a light rig, rope and 6hp would be the most you would need to do.
But then...
Brakeshaft
Albright solenoid
Bracing
Oil drain
Widened drum/freespool
Twin motor top hat
24 volt

[WelchyGQ]

I would reccomend the King One winches from Avenger 4x4 as well.

I have put plenty of these in customers cars, all machined components (no pressed crap) external brake so the free spool is just that true free spool, clutch is very easy to use no force required, water proof solenoid, 9500 Lb with synthetic and fairlead only $1195 even comes with a free snatch block in the box.

X2 - happy with mine

Welchy

[BabyGodzillaGTi-R]

Given it's in a light rig, rope and 6hp would be the most you would need to do.
But then...
Brakeshaft
Albright solenoid
Bracing
Oil drain
Widened drum/freespool
Twin motor top hat
24 volt

Hahah Funny..
Slowly but surely.
First i need to save some giggles so that i can accumulate and sell them off in the market to accumulate more $ before i can ever consider a Gigglepin.

Anyway was talking to the fabricator who's gonna fix up the winch. He mentioned he is gonna use 6mm steel plates.
You reckon it is sufficient or leave quite a lot to be desired?
Or i would need to go far thicker at 8mm or 10mm?

Or as long as the 6mm plates are well gussetted it should be fine?
like this
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instead of the winch place without a gusset
___]
when observed from the side.
Just concern about the winch plate flexing.

Of late i also realised that our Warn isolator has been acting up.
However the price of one cost quite a lot of $$$$$$$.
Would you guys consider using a winch style solenoid as a Warn isolator replacement?
A friend suggest this idea.
Does anyone have tried this setup?
Or knows what wires connect to which pole on the isolator?
I was thinking of using those solenoids commonly seen on these China winches.

[GUtripper]

I run a modified Warn winch plate, its made from quarter inch thick plate (6.5mm give or take with powdercoating). Its braced, and plenty thick enough.
I would go with side gussetting for strength, but mount them as close to the sides of the highmount as you can. the 4 bolts that locate/mount the winch to the plate also add some level of regidity effectively too.

Run an Albright solonoid to replace the standard solonoid pack, and an in-cab controller for winching, and mount switches/in/out buttons on the front of the car near the winch for spooling in and out.

[BabyGodzillaGTi-R]

Awsome...
I can't wait to send it to the fabricators and discuss my requirements this weekend.
Surprising to hear that the Warn winch plate for the hi mount is only 1/4inch thick.
Coz my fabricator kept assuring me that 6mm plates were sufficient and it's how it's been braced.

Btw do you have any interesting pics to share of your GU.
I'm actually quite surprise that the M8274 can cope up with winch duties on your GU which looks like a Hippo in terms of weight


I've ordered the Albright but i thought of using the current Warn solenoids till it KO.
I can't seem to bloody find my old Warn incab switch. It's a little box with a padlock on the outside. Surprisinly they dont sell them anymore.
However i'm contemplating to run wireless control after realising the convenience of a remote control (the previous Chinese ding dong ching chong winch came with it).

Its awful being stuck and having to rely on my buddies to winch me out for the time being.
So embarrassing haha.

[GUtripper]

Yeah I have a GU, but the modded Warn highmount winch plate is on this:



The only pics I have of the plate, which was widened about 75mm, the braces 'flared' outwards to accept the wider bottom housing and redrilled to suit the wider fairlead and 6 bolt pattern.

[BabyGodzillaGTi-R]

Stop making me freaking envious.
I'm just curious what else on that winch of your is still a Warn?
LOL.
It is giving me the Giggles...

Only pics i have of the winch plate for now.
It's constructed out of 10mm plate.






Unfortunately the winch is acting up.
The solenoids keeps clicking. Sometimes it works and sometimes it doesnt. Now it's dead period....
But the biggest worry is that when winching in on load the freespool clutch pops out.
I wonder what are the reasons for the above?
I know the solenoids can be fixed with an Albright solenoid upgrade but the freespool clutch popping out is really unacceptable.
The seller will have a look at the winch this weekend to determined what's the reason.

Do u think it's a straight forward fix/ adjustment with the clutch or its a good idea to return back the winch to the seller instead of attempting to get it fixed?
Coz the seller said that if it's still problematic he could take back the winch and sell me a new one.

Argh....

Btw is your jeep a TJ or a JK (we don't have an official Jeep distributor here anymore). Rubicon?

[BabyGodzillaGTi-R]

Yeah I have a GU, but the modded Warn highmount winch plate is on this:
The only pics I have of the plate, which was widened about 75mm, the braces 'flared' outwards to accept the wider bottom housing and redrilled to suit the wider fairlead and 6 bolt pattern.

I stumbled on to this video recently shared by a friend.
I wonder if the Gigglepin is as quick as our local homebrew God Winch?
https://www.facebook.com/video/video.ph ... 5795546986

[patrol man]

Hey mate with the clutch release level popping out, its pretty common to see them drilled and a pin fitted to stop this happening. I would imagine it would be caused by a misalignment with the gears, possibly a worn motor drive gear but more likely to be the next gear along (idler bearing). I believe Gigglepin make replacement bronze bushes for these.
You could check that the detent ball is still free and putting load on the release shaft, most will take a fair bit of load to pull them out (disengage).

With it pinned shut you could fit a air free spool drum and do away with the clutch release. like the one I'm running.

[BabyGodzillaGTi-R]

So u are saying it's a simple fix or the winch is quite messed up?

As for the mod u were talking about do u have a website or pictures of what exactly you are describing?

These days back here u get more and more ppl converted on the idea of PTOs like in the video above that electrics are considered inferior.
LOL...

Is this the part that normally causes the above problem?
Item 6: 15879 MOTOR PINION GEAR
Item 9: 8316 ARMATURE, BEARING
http://www.warn.com/truck/ReplacementPa ... 7492F3.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Don't scare me i might need to replace the entire top housing.
Item 8: 9285 UPPER HOUSING ASSEMBLY (Includes item 9 and gears)

[patrol man]

Here's a pic of what I mean.

[BabyGodzillaGTi-R]

Just to share with u guys with the winch.
I just installed a brand new 6hp xp Warn motor, Albright Solenoids, 60M of plasma rope.
Pics will up up soon.

However i'm abit concerned if this is a major issue.
While spooling in the new plasma rope with this new motor i noticed the winch motor is pretty hot considering there is zero load.
Is there something to be alarmed?
When i mean hot as in i can't place my hand on the motor for more than 5 secs.
However the solenoid is pretty cold.
The winch spools in fine though.

Or it tends to run hot if the battery is not very strong/ well charged?

Looking forward to your feedback guys.

The winch will be installed into this truck for the time being as me and my Russian mate is gonna participate in the Rainforest Challenge with this jalopy.
Super slow winch just dismantled before installing the plasma rope and albright solenoids.

Our comp truck with Profender coilovers.

[BabyGodzillaGTi-R]

Hi everyone i really need your help as per the topic.
I recently purchased a brand new Warn 6hp motor which is installed on a M8274-50.
Just finished installing a 6hp motor, albright solenoids and synthetic rope.

Unfortunately when spooling the rope with no / zero load, the motor runs really hot. The body of the motor is pretty warm but when you touch the motor from the side (where the heat sinks are) its pretty hot and u cannot hold your hand for long.

I have checked that the Albright wiring is correct.
I have checked that the ground wire is grounded directly to the battery and an extra ground wire from battery to the chassis was added for good measure.
Also i would like to believe the battery is in good nick and for added measure i've also tried to run 2 battery in parallel to power the winch to ensure that is enough juice for the winch.

I don't think the brake is having issues as it's pretty new and the older/ original 4hp motor seems to run faster than the new 6hp motors.

Is there anything else missing in our troubleshooting as i'm really at my ends wit.

What could be the problem causing the 6hp motor is running so hot on no / zero load when spooling in as we are competing in the Rainforest Challenge in less than a week's time.

Really appreciate the oracles of this forum to help us out in our time of need. I hope it's not a lemon motor.