OFFROAD BOSS KING OF THE RIM 2012

[Rolly]

i recon we should pitch in and get matt to put a high mount on the front of the buggy and take up mmm on his invitation .
it would certainly be entertaining to watch .

[XTREME MMM]

I will even give you a free entry to an ARB XWC

i am a non believer....does this count for me

SORRY

[XTREME MMM]

i recon we should pitch in and get matt to put a high mount on the front of the buggy and take up mmm on his invitation .
it would certainly be entertaining to watch .

Matt the invite is there, don't let your following down (if you have one).

As long as your vehicle complies, no problems.

It appears that due to your statement you have only BEEN and watched someone pull their vehicle on a piece of string and not done it

So the challenge is out there Matt, you and your vehicle can come and do it if it meets the XWC rules, just add your piece of string and come and play with the "Big Boys", then you can say "I have done it".

It will be very entertaining due to the fact Matt, you will be well and truely out of your depth to what you are used too:- "Smash & Bash".

If you have the gonards to back up your statements I will be the first to shake your hand and give you a prize, IF YOU TURN UP!!!!

So what is it, come and play at The Springs with the "Big Boys" or sit back and keep having ago at us guys that like to pull their trucks with a piece of string.

Come and show all of us string pullers how good you really are.

Cheers
Have a nice Sunday night or if you read this welcome to Monday.

[Matt]

thanks for the invite dave, but no thanks mate, kor has everthing that i like to drive, rocks, dirt tracks,steep hills,wombat holes and distance. not into winching my bus out of a creek and up a sheer mud wall. but there is a place for this. hence winch events.

[XTREME MMM]

thanks for the invite dave, but no thanks mate, kor has everthing that i like to drive, rocks, dirt tracks,steep hills,wombat holes and distance. not into winching my bus out of a creek and up a sheer mud wall. but there is a place for this. hence winch events.

you best read by edited post.

Have a nice evening.

[XTREME MMM]

thanks for the invite dave, but no thanks mate, kor has everthing that i like to drive, rocks, dirt tracks,steep hills,wombat holes and distance. not into winching my bus out of a creek and up a sheer mud wall. but there is a place for this. hence winch events.

Winch Challenges seem to have all you want, apart from you haviong to pull a piece of string.

Again have a nice day and remember if you add a piece of string you will go more distance with less damage.

When you are game come and have a play with the "Guys & Ladies with Gonards"

Have a nice day.

[Matt]

thanks for the invite dave, but no thanks mate, kor has everthing that i like to drive, rocks, dirt tracks,steep hills,wombat holes and distance. not into winching my bus out of a creek and up a sheer mud wall. but there is a place for this. hence winch events.

Winch Challenges seem to have all you want, apart from you haviong to pull a piece of string.

Again have a nice day and remember if you add a piece of string you will go more distance with less damage.

When you are game come and have a play with the "Guys & Ladies with Gonards"

Have a nice day.

Dave, Dont know what you are trying to prove here, I never said winch events were no good I just said they are not for me. Seems like you are the only one here that has something to prove, and maybe you should grow a brain and not a hardon.

[Dover]

Matt the invite is there, don't let your following down (if you have one).

When you are game come and have a play with the "Guys & Ladies with Gonards"

Once again you have proven that with age doesn't come maturity.

[Brutus]

agree that all correct tube is imperial, so 1 3/4 or 44.5/45mm 350 grade tube is the way to go, this will require a 2.5 wall thickness. And as stated you can pick if it is seamed or seemless and if joins have been used, not hard.

Pipe is measured by the amount of flow threw the pipe. This is why it is called NB pipe. NB meaning nominal bore. Back in the old days everything was run in gal pipe. There is no GRADE standard for NB pipe.
Tube has a standard outside diameter, wall thickness and grade, starting at 250 grade, with a wall thickness 1.2mm to 3.5mm depending on the mill. All ERW comes with mill spec certificates. All you have to is ask for it when you by your tube.
There are not many Mills supplying 350 grade, DIA 44.5mm tube. I buy mine from:
Industrial Tube Manufacturing Australia
4/873 Kingsford Smith Drive
Eagle Farm QLD 4009 Australia
Phone: 07 3268 1956 Fax: 07 3268 3178

So when you build your cage, all you have to do is have a copy of the mill certificates. Job done .

If you do not have an account with Industrial Tube I sell the ERW and keep it in stock.

[napsta]

we are looking into trying to find something that will guage the wall thickness etc.

if anyone has any ideas please let us know

brett

Most sanctioning bodies in the US have it in their rules that they can drill a test hole in your cage. Its a very small hole, similar to what a fabricator would use to allow air to escape whilst welding tubes.

[4X4 shorty]

ASIDE from the great debate on fire suits and roll cages.

Brett not sure how you going Getting one but a guy used to come around and certify our air tank at work and had a ultrasonic tool to test it for thickness to make sure it wasn't rusting from inside out

my 2c hope it may help

James

[Rolly]

thanks for the info guys much appreciated.

[johnsy86]

just my 2c in regards to safety i personally think that if your going firesuits to go neck braces as well, your proberly more likly to jar your neck in this event with the weight of a helmet on then your rig bursting into flames, both these things can and do happen in alot of other motor sports its not just 1 and not the other.

[brooksy]

ASIDE from the great debate on fire suits and roll cages.

Brett not sure how you going Getting one but a guy used to come around and certify our air tank at work and had a ultrasonic tool to test it for thickness to make sure it wasn't rusting from inside out

my 2c hope it may help

James

I mentioned this earlier but our tester won't be in until later this week. I was going to ask what he would charge to do random testing for an hour or 2 on race day.


brooksy

[brooksy]

Our UT guy came in today & he said that he would be happy to do the testing although through paint isn't ideal but still get definitive results.



brooksy

[rockcrawler31]

As a previous competitor and potential future competitor i'm of mixed feelings about the suits.

On the one hand i think they're a good idea particularly for a petrol vehicle that is doing a speed that could rupture a fuel tank in a crash. Last year i was looking at getting embroidered uniforms done for both me and the navvy so really a suit would have been a similar cost.

On the other hand, i couldn't afford those uniforms last year so a suit may have taken me out of the comp. I also run a diesel, and i'd like to see you set fire to that that bugger on purpose let alone in a crash. (actually if you managed to set fire to it i'd be happy as it's an excuse to go a different avenue )

If it ultimately meant that we could get the format off the ground or perhaps even the affiliation with CAMS that it really needs then i'd buy the suit. As it is it's Thorpie's party so i'll bring the presents that he wants.

I think some of those here that have responded with "my wiener is bigger than yours bullshit" that have some extensive experience in the off road scene should take a chill pill and grow some modesty. There's quite a few that this could apply to actually.

[pricey]

Very true Rockcrawler.

At the end of the day, the event is run by the Thorpes, they set the rules so you either accept it, and run with what they want or don't compete. Its fair simple. No-one forces you to compete in these events, and they are INCREASING saftey for shits sake. Not making it anymore unsafe.

What i cant understand is blokes are willing to spend 6-7k on flash beadlocked rims and stickies, but they dont want to spend 150 on a bloody suit that will protect them IN CASE something goes wrong

[redzook]

As a previous competitor and potential future competitor i'm of mixed feelings about the suits.

On the one hand i think they're a good idea particularly for a petrol vehicle that is doing a speed that could rupture a fuel tank in a crash. Last year i was looking at getting embroidered uniforms done for both me and the navvy so really a suit would have been a similar cost.

On the other hand, i couldn't afford those uniforms last year so a suit may have taken me out of the comp. I also run a diesel, and i'd like to see you set fire to that that bugger on purpose let alone in a crash. (actually if you managed to set fire to it i'd be happy as it's an excuse to go a different avenue )

you do realise petrol is not the only flammable liquid in a car, id say powersteer or auto fluid would cause more fires then petrol

[WICKED]

As a previous competitor and potential future competitor i'm of mixed feelings about the suits.

On the one hand i think they're a good idea particularly for a petrol vehicle that is doing a speed that could rupture a fuel tank in a crash. Last year i was looking at getting embroidered uniforms done for both me and the navvy so really a suit would have been a similar cost.

On the other hand, i couldn't afford those uniforms last year so a suit may have taken me out of the comp. I also run a diesel, and i'd like to see you set fire to that that bugger on purpose let alone in a crash. (actually if you managed to set fire to it i'd be happy as it's an excuse to go a different avenue )

you do realise petrol is not the only flammable liquid in a car, id say powersteer or auto fluid would cause more fires then petrol

And hot/boiling radiator fluid.

I heard of an outback Challange guy getting EXTENSIVE burns from a radiator.
There was a competitor in the coopers series that was burnt badly in a rollover and that was something to do with auto fluid coming back thro a breather or filler line.

Neither fuel based.

[rockcrawler31]

you do realise petrol is not the only flammable liquid in a car, id say powersteer or auto fluid would cause more fires then petrol

Fair call i guess. Although realistically if my power steer fluid caught fire i'd say i'd have a reasonable amount of time to get clear. Having said that if my sump got munted and went over a hot turbo then i reckon i might be in trouble so yes i can see how a suit is good idea. And they look the goods

But when you start talking suit, gloves, shoes,neck restraint and ventilated helmet (because a standard full face helmet in the queensland sun is going to be unbearable) it'll start getting up there in price. Such a hard call for unsponsored privateers.

[stroke]

There has been a lot of good discussion regarding setting standards and implementing extra safety requirements for competitors entering these higher level 4x4 competitions.

One only has to look at this year’s competition calendar to realise the 4x4 competition scene is growing. With competitors pushing their cars to the limits to achieve to top positions in the line-up safety issues must be kept in line with these demands.

If we can keep personal injuries to a minimum within the 4x4 competition scene this also helps the competition organisers being able to keep their insurance coverage’s at an achievable rate.

Scenic Rim Adventure Park management are fully behind their KOTR track managers Brett and Mitch Thorpe with the introduction of these extra safety requirements.

If competitors are interested we would be happy to see if we could get a more affordable price on these safety items if we were able to put in a bulk order.

If you are interested in us following up with this invitation please contact us through our website http://www.scenicrimadventurepark.com.au" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Wendy

[biggsy]

After all of the positive feedback in regards to race suits, Mitch and I have decided that this year it will be compulsary to wear a minimum Single Layer SFI Certified Race suit. If you have a look at the link, http://hunterrivmasta.com.au/products/P ... m?pcatid=7" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; , you can see they these suits are not expensive. This will be the first step in making our sport safer and more professional.

Along side a suit, each competitor must wear either leather boots, or cerified race footwear. For any team running without a windscreen, gloves must be worn by both driver and navigator at all times. It is highly recommended, but not enforced as yet, for teams to either wear full face helmets with a visor, or motox googles. The helmet rule will become cumpolsory in 2013.

These safety changes are for your own good, and you have ample time to prepare before November.

Regards,
Brett and Mitch

One question. No maybe two.

Why? This is just putting more cost onto the competitor.


Cheers MMM

I find this funny, competitors are happy to spend thousands of $ on there Rigs... In some cases thousands of $ to enter events. But a bit of safety wear clothing for the personal safety puts up the cost. Putting the person's safety before there car seems to be a great idea.... And most car running a event like the Rims are a tube buggy with no real fire wall from the engine bay or fuel cell just behind the driver

[navaraD40]

Drag Tec has said that they will do Wholesale prices on their race suits. I notice that they have them for about $150 on their site http://www.dragtec.com.au/product.php?id_product=142" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; so I can only imagine that Chris will come through with the goods and offer them for just over $100.

He's also placed a good chart in the description to show suit sizes for all us guys with reservations on ordering without trying them on....

[rockcrawler31]

Not a bad looking suit, and that's a great offer.

Although i'd say that if 150 is his RRP then there's no reason to go and sell them just for the love of it. I can't see why we can't support a local lad and get a group buy that nett's him some cash as well. Win Win all round.

[HIGH ROLLER]

As a previous competitor and potential future competitor i'm of mixed feelings about the suits.

On the one hand i think they're a good idea particularly for a petrol vehicle that is doing a speed that could rupture a fuel tank in a crash. Last year i was looking at getting embroidered uniforms done for both me and the navvy so really a suit would have been a similar cost.

On the other hand, i couldn't afford those uniforms last year so a suit may have taken me out of the comp. I also run a diesel, and i'd like to see you set fire to that that bugger on purpose let alone in a crash. (actually if you managed to set fire to it i'd be happy as it's an excuse to go a different avenue )

If it ultimately meant that we could get the format off the ground or perhaps even the affiliation with CAMS that it really needs then i'd buy the suit. As it is it's Thorpie's party so i'll bring the presents that he wants.

I think some of those here that have responded with "my wiener is bigger than yours bullshit" that have some extensive experience in the off road scene should take a chill pill and grow some modesty. There's quite a few that this could apply to actually.

it doesnt need to be your fuel that catches on fire, power steer fluid on a hot exhaust will go up quiet nicely, I think the suits are a great idea my 2 cents:)

[Micka]

I still think that the KOTR should be moved to winter time. Being on the hill watching was farking hot enough, let alone driving a flat strap around the park. The introduction of fire suits (which I agree with) is only going to up the temperatures for the competitors. Dehydration will be an enormous factor, as will heat stroke. In 30+ degree temperatures, the average person needs ~ 1litre of water per 20kg of weight, but add strenuous activity with a confined space and then a fire suit, and there is a real threat to a competitor's health.

Moving it to a cooler month will also make it more comfortable for spectators.

[WICKED]

Drag Tec has said that they will do Wholesale prices on their race suits. I notice that they have them for about $150 on their site http://www.dragtec.com.au/product.php?id_product=142" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; so I can only imagine that Chris will come through with the goods and offer them for just over $100.

He's also placed a good chart in the description to show suit sizes for all us guys with reservations on ordering without trying them on....

You competing Dave?


There is lots of us and we talk from people that haven't even seen the event let alone competed.

[marcgiva]

Hi all I am enjoying the discussion
But all I want to add is im suprised it has taken this long for safety suits to be mentioned and good on you guys that are really looking at the safety of your competitors in compertition. Keep up the good work and if my new buggy is ready we will be their with our race suit on.
I believe all classes of Off road 4x4 style racing should make the suits part of the safety gear, good points have been made about the foot ware and this may need to be looked at.
Keep up the good work guys and bring it on KOTR 2012

[Rolly]

I still think that the KOTR should be moved to winter time. Being on the hill watching was farking hot enough, let alone driving a flat strap around the park. The introduction of fire suits (which I agree with) is only going to up the temperatures for the competitors. Dehydration will be an enormous factor, as will heat stroke. In 30+ degree temperatures, the average person needs ~ 1litre of water per 20kg of weight, but add strenuous activity with a confined space and then a fire suit, and there is a real threat to a competitor's health.

Moving it to a cooler month will also make it more comfortable for spectators.

it wont be moved to another date this year . yes it was hot but 2 days later the temp was down by 10 deg we just have to deal with it .
wearing a suit in hot weather is not an issue unless you are silly enough to wear long pants and a shirt under it .
it will be cooler and breath better than if you had to wear jeans and long sleave shirt . dehydration will always be an issue and it is up to the teams to cope with this .
we want to look at moving the date in 2013 and we will keep you posted .

cheers brett

[Black Bull]

Well done on the implimentaion of more saftey requirements.
Something I think is lacking in most comps, Way to many people only go with the bare minimum requirements.
I tend to think that minimum cage requirements for full sized trucks under both CCDA and Cams are a bit lacking too
If this was KOH (which for many purposes it may as well be)
you'd find fire suppression systems, neck braces and many more safety related items.

Whilst I don't have anywhere near as much experiance with offroad competition as some I've seen some horrific injuries
that could have been avoided with more stringent safey requirements.

One good example.
A good freind of mine is building a Salt lake car, he's going through hell trying to find the particular material he wants to build his cage out of.
When I asked him why he didn't just use normal tube his reply was.

"I have a wife and 2 kids, when I hit 200+ mph I want to KNOW that if my car turns into a plane, that I'm going to make it home in one piece"

although i haven't read Thorpie's rules, one thing I'd like to see that's missing on a lot of truggies/buggies
is some kind of bulkhead between rear mounted radiatiors & hoses and the passenger/driver compartment.
I also tend to think that minimum cage requirements for full sized trucks under both CCDA and Cams rules are a bit lacking too.

Also, Milo. if you don't want to buy a suit, I have a near new 2 layer suit and gloves here that should fit you if you want to borrow them.