Bolt on turbo upgrdae - 13BT/12HT/1HDT and 1HDFT

[CustomTurbos]

I will also post my graph if someone can tell me how to post images....

My FTE goes suprisingly well for no chip and stock everything except some minor electrical mods ;-) and boost then..... It is quicker than my wifes LX470 on petrol....... so I guess its no suprise

I should also say that what I do on my own vehicles which I use for test mules, ie: what might seem a bit gun-ho, I dont necessarily reccomend for others. I'm more than a bit handy, so fixing a piston failure for example is a pain in the bum more than being expensive. On my own stuff I have to pay for my misdemeanors. I test to limits, find them, and suggest something less to others...... New turbo is prime example.

I did think I would blow my auto, but not because of all the extra torque (and it didnt break because of the torque), it was a theory I had before I left on that trip on a perceived problem between the conversation the injector pump was having with the engine and the conversation the ecu was having with the auto - they werent on the same wavelength....so to speak! I just wish I wasnt right, because while the fix cost me $180 and some tranny fluid, I didnt enjoy pulling the box out and pulling it apart, diagnosing and putting back together. Not everyone has the luxury of being able to do that.

[80's_delirious]

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[CustomTurbos]

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SEE HERE FOR MY 1HDFTE DYNO - 132 4wkw

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[Northside 4x4]

Very different graph to what I made out of the one today to be honest.
Just off the top of my head the figures were

1900rpm - 75kw - 19:1 AFR
2100rpm - 100kw - 19:1AFR
2500rpm - 120kw - 21:1 AFR
3100rpm - 128kw - 21:1 AFR
4000rpm - 105kw - 21:1 AFR
They pull alot of fuel out above 3300 standard, and the timing starts to get advanced considerably, probably to help EGT's.
I normally just bring fuel back in here and actually advance the timing up another 3-4deg which drops EGT's another 30-40deg at least.
Do you remember what fuel ratio it was on that run?

Also saw you sig on that page. 1VD... interesting. Ive done lots of testing on those things.

[CustomTurbos]

[quote="Northside 4x4"]Very different graph to what I made out of the one today to be honest.
Just off the top of my head the figures were

1900rpm - 75kw - 19:1 AFR
2100rpm - 100kw - 19:1AFR
2500rpm - 120kw - 21:1 AFR
3100rpm - 128kw - 21:1 AFR
4000rpm - 105kw - 21:1 AFR
They pull alot of fuel out above 3300 standard, and the timing starts to get advanced considerably, probably to help EGT's.
I normally just bring fuel back in here and actually advance the timing up another 3-4deg which drops EGT's another 30-40deg at least.
Do you remember what fuel ratio it was on that run?

Also saw you sig on that page. 1VD... interesting. Ive done lots of testing on those things.]


Thanks for that, I will look more closely tomorrow. I think the rpm is slightly low, which slightly inflates the torque too. The power is correct though. I really want to get my FTE going hard. Are you able to actually get a readout of timing on these - is that simply by taking the EDU output (or input) and comparing to crank angle..... Just wondering, I know nothing about what can be done or how. I know how the injector pump works and is fired, but not about the quality and tuning capability of the tuning products out there. Turbos/airflow is my bag. I also meant to point out that it was done on an interia dyno. The peak numbers are accurate, but low end hard to measure. Also with auto, hard to get it to stay locked up.

I must confess, I didnt do an AFR. I was hoping to set mine up permanantly, I bought all the bits. I rocked up that day to say hello and my keys were taken off me and the car was on the dyno before i could say G'Day..... It was simply a power run.

As I mentioned, I havent done much at all to mine. I am fairly amazed by it every time I drive it. I keep wondering If I shorted some wire in the conversion somewhere, or the air temp sensor only reads cold or something..... I'm not complaining, shes a beauty. I did disable the EGR and clean the most disgustings fine black sludge out of the manifold...., but other that that, nothing.

I have a nice comp wheel upgrade for the GT2359 thats std in the 1VD (7x), also machine exhaust out a bit. Now, I have theorised it, but not tested it. Just need to put the turbo back together, get balanced and its good to go. I have a friend with a 1VD so was planning on using his as a test mule. Same for the 1KD. Nice turbo that one. I have the comp wheels in stock and exchange turbos for both. No friends with 1KD' though.

[Northside 4x4]

Thats the key Dieslex, cleaning out all that EGR crap. Its worth a good 10-20hp on most cars with 3-4parts leaner AFR.

Here are a few pics of the cooler. not the biggest you can get in there but about the biggest bolt in one I could make. Along with dyno graphs.
Customer's economy while towing his van along with all loaded up on the trip with just the exhaust and unichip done was 14L/100 which he thought was fantastic.
Hoping for a smidge more after the cooler though.

The timing can be read with a scan tool in Deg BTDC. And can be adjusted through the unichip by manipulating the Crank angle sensor.

I have only shown the power map, there is also a Standard and his economy map loaded in the unichip. He just flicks a 3 way rocker switch to adjust to what he needs while driving (generally just the economy map which is 17psi and about 25:1 fuel ratio, 110kw with a bit less punch through the midrange)
You can see this in those first graphs I posted up.

[CustomTurbos]

Northside: great info on the 100. It helps me understand where my vehicle is. I have to say though, considering that car already has an exchaust and superior intercooler - clearly bringing the AFR to perfect, it makes my vehicle seem a bit special. In an acceleration test, If I am following the Mrs LX470 (which runs fine), and we both stand on it I can pull into next lane and drive past and at over 100 the story is the same, pulling away (not quickly but still pulling away.

So if the scan gauge can read timing, does that also mean it is OBD11 compliant....? I never bothered with the scangauge because I had assumed it wouldnt work.

A quick check at 2500 looks like fueling went up 30% almost exactly, notwithstanding the better intercooler (if I had the temp difference it would be more accurate - might take it to 40-45%), but the torque at wheels went up 59% - nice increase in vehicle efficiency.....

Regarding efficiency, do you find 25:1 to be most efficient on the 1HDFTE? I am interested to know because I tow a very heavy van and efficiency is king. Their is a tradeoff between combustion efficiency and pumping losses. Until the WG opens, its free float..... most towing will be sub 2K. Advancing timing will reduce boost in the bfree float area for a given full load... All very interesting....

[Northside 4x4]

Your car does sound like a bit of a freak hey Not surprising though. When you tune hi performance petrols, you really see this alot. Some of them have the goods and some dont. All comes down to how they have been run in i reckon.. Gotta give em a bit of stick to bed those new rings in.

I think somewhere between 23-25:1 is a really nice level for economy IF it provides you with enough power at full throttle.
Obviously much leaner is needed for Great economy at part throttle.

Keep in mind also though that your not always at full throttle on the street (which is where these tests are performed)
With the unichip, I can map timing/fuel/boost etc.. in a 3D map. Anything up to 24 selectable RPM points & 12 Load points.
So around 280 individual sites in each map that I can tailor to that specific range of speed and load.
Ontop of that (if its not good enough already) I also have around 4 extra tables to work with that will trim the main tables based on their own lookups.
Those lookups are generally water temperature, and EGT.

So... For a given point say 2300rpm and 11.5psi, I can tune the timing and fuel for that point, and have my auxiliary tables trimming it down if it gets hot, or decreasing/increasing boost or timing etc...

The temp drop for the intercooler was around 30deg while working it hard, if that gives you some numbers for the amazing math's that you do

The other really great thing using the unichip with electronic boost controller, Is I can bleed off 100% of the wastegate pressure at anything less than the desired boost level. So I can make 6-7psi more at most part throttle sites over any pneumatic bleeder system.

Most scangauges cant read the 100's. I cant recall the brand of the one I used to read the 100's. It was some time ago that i checked it all, not on this particular vehicle.
Cheers
Lindsay

[Northside 4x4]

Any updates on the Modded CT26's?

[CustomTurbos]

I did the dyno yesterday on 1HDFT but couldnt stop the auto kicking down. Thought I would be clever and take the TPS off the pump and set to a position that wouldnt kick down but it wouldnt lock up on the TC!

Pre turbo on 35" new tyres (DD dyno 070) GT2860 18psi did 128.5HP (3rd with TC lockup) rich off bottom, 22 AFR up top. New turbo and tune lean off bottom, 21psi 159.5HP 19:1 AFR at top end (3rd without TC lockup...!!!). I am sure theres another 10hp there at least with TC lockup. I retuned the pump after fitting the turbo, so not a direct comparison.

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These are pretty low numbers really, but the car is quick (quicker off the mark than my 5spd auto FTE and that fairly hauls). Early days yet.

The plan was to show the monstrous torque at 1400rpm up, but until I get the TC to lockup in 4th on dyno, I cant show you. Also the boost gauge is far away from tacho, so cant do that in vid either.

Intercooler and electronic boost controller to be fitted.

Will all be done when I get back from 2 week vacation to Coral Bay/Exmouth starting tomorrow! First stop is the MOA race where my Cousin will race his truck http://www.onewilddiesel.com.au" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Then, back to turbos!

[Northside 4x4]

Nice to hear mate.
Be good to have a manual test vehicle wouldnt it

The later model 100's have a 2nd hold button near the handbrake. Im sure this links to the gearbox somewhere with a switch.
Will not kick down at any rpm and tps. This is generally how I run the 1hd-fte's.

Im fitting a 2860 with custom housings to a manual 100s that I should get done just after easter sometime. So ill be able to show the kind of spool up related to engine speed (which I know is what you are trying to show) over a standard ct26.

P.s go the whole hog and wire a unichip into it instead of just the electronic boost control

[CustomTurbos]

Actually this is a 1HD-FT dyno, not FTE, so VE pump.

Just found out the lift pump wasnt working, it feels like it has picked up 20hp. Owner might dyno it while I am away. If I get the data, I will post the results.

I will be very interested to see the GT2860RS compared to the CT26 on the 100 with no other mods...

How much power loss do you normally see on lockup compared with without lockup?

As for my 1HD-FTE - yep, I think I will go Uni Chip.

Nice to hear mate.
Be good to have a manual test vehicle wouldnt it

The later model 100's have a 2nd hold button near the handbrake. Im sure this links to the gearbox somewhere with a switch.
Will not kick down at any rpm and tps. This is generally how I run the 1hd-fte's.

Im fitting a 2860 with custom housings to a manual 100s that I should get done just after easter sometime. So ill be able to show the kind of spool up related to engine speed (which I know is what you are trying to show) over a standard ct26.

P.s go the whole hog and wire a unichip into it instead of just the electronic boost control

[Northside 4x4]

Actually this is a 1HD-FT dyno, not FTE, so VE pump.

Just found out the lift pump wasnt working, it feels like it has picked up 20hp. Owner might dyno it while I am away. If I get the data, I will post the results.

I will be very interested to see the GT2860RS compared to the CT26 on the 100 with no other mods...

How much power loss do you normally see on lockup compared with without lockup?

As for my 1HD-FTE - yep, I think I will go Uni Chip.

Nice to hear mate.
Be good to have a manual test vehicle wouldnt it

The later model 100's have a 2nd hold button near the handbrake. Im sure this links to the gearbox somewhere with a switch.
Will not kick down at any rpm and tps. This is generally how I run the 1hd-fte's.

Im fitting a 2860 with custom housings to a manual 100s that I should get done just after easter sometime. So ill be able to show the kind of spool up related to engine speed (which I know is what you are trying to show) over a standard ct26.

P.s go the whole hog and wire a unichip into it instead of just the electronic boost control

Couldnt say really. Its the only way I ever run them (in 2nd start locked) or they just want to keep kicking down to first and try to jump off the dyno.

Even holding some of them at 20kph in 2nd at the start of the run is bad enough.

[CustomTurbos]

Dyno tested the 1HD-FT with my "low end response" turbo now that a front mount eBay intercooler has been fitted and works exceptionally well.

RESULT:

189.2hp @ wheels on a Dyno Dynamics dyno on 35" tyres with a 070 ramp rate

This particular version of the turbo does 21psi no problem at all at 60km/h at lockup in 4th which is about 1400rpm.

Peak torque is estimated to be a tad under 650nm at 1700rpm (is about 560-580NM @ 2500). It is an estimation only at this stage, but will get a video of it loaded up at low rpm soon enough.

Bear in mind that this turbo is all about response. It is being removed in a week after arduous 1.7 Bar testing for over a month now. The next version is less about low end and more about midrange. Hoping for 230rwhp, happy with 210rwhp and still a strong bottom.

[Tim HJ61]

The vehicle that was the test bed for the first of these turbos is my 12H-T.

I've now fitted a 600mm intercooler and over the next few weeks, will have another Dyno run.

My blog with photos of the intercooler installation on an HJ61 with four headlight is at http://www.peoplehelp.com.au/landcruise ... ooler.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

What do I see and feel different?

Firstly the EGT are a lot lower again. The new turbo dropped them by at least 100°C, and the intercooler by that again. At 100kmh, my pre turbo EGT are 280°C and boost 0.8 bar (12psi)
Second, more power at higher revs. It may pull better at low speed too, but that's harder to tell because it doesn't stay at low revs for long and suddenly I run out of hill or road or am up someones bumper. The dyno will be interesting.

My setup is a CustomTurbo's CT26. Running at 20 psi, 600mm intercooler, 3" exhaust, fuel screw completely wound out, running on 100% Canola oil - tho dyno runs will be on smelly diesel to provide consistent comparison. No engine mods. Engine done around 230,000km

All good so far.

Tim

[CustomTurbos]

I organised another dyno run for "Mudstorms" 1HDFT Auto just to compare to anothor dyno and a dyno that I am familiar with. It did 145kW @ the wheels loaded up at fixed rpm (3000rpm), 138 at 2700. So I am happy now to see it on two different dyno's :-)

[CustomTurbos]

Just to update you all on the 1HD-FT. Unfortunately the auto gearbox has failed. Too many first to second changes during burnouts on 35" tyres.

Not me you understand..... Maybe if I was a young hoon like the owner ;-)

Anyway, box being rebuilt and will be on dyno. "feels" like ~ 160rwkW+ at the moment with the performance upgrade to the performance upgrade ;-)

[roughlux]

Any updates on this? What sort of costs are involved? How many have you sold now?

[CustomTurbos]

Any updates on this? What sort of costs are involved? How many have you sold now?

Hi, PM me for the costs,

The 1HD-FT wont be running until 1st week sept earliest. The auto is a fully built high $$$ unit from Wholesale Automatics.

Got these results today on the old 1HD-T. I've not seen better.

GTurbo CT26 "Bad Boy" 1HD-T 24psi Boost Intercooled 201 wheel HP @ 3000rpm 35" Tyres

Held for 10 seconds to get decent pyro number, pre turbo, done in 4th gear. eBay front mount intercooler.

I havent seen 200hp @ wheels on a 1HD-T before, so you could say I'm very happy

AFR's ultra lean at 19.3:1 at the measured point and above 19 from 1900 to 3100rpm.

Owner is modifying inlet manifold (boxing it out). I will provide photos to this, all insticnts tell me it will lean off the AFR's further by evening the distribution of air between the cylinders.

After this, and the fittment of a Holley red in line fuel pump (as a kind of lift pump), it will be returned and afrs will drop to 17.5:1 for a power tune. On this basis, I would expect over 165kW, probbaly 170kW.

Owner is on holiday for a month or so then will do the mods mentioned and a retune.

[58bernie]

I have just installed 1 of Graeme's turbos into my 80 series with an FT and while I still have not tuned it to Graeme's specs yet, I am so impressed and still only running @ 18psi boost.
I work away and at present that is where I am, but as soon as i get home it is getting done.
I am happy to take some for a drive to show the improved level of performance Graeme's turbos make and if 4x4 Northside will post the data from the dyno run in this thread and at no cost to me they can do a dyno run with it.
How's that for customer satisfaction for Graeme's turbos without me getting a kick back, but willing to take one.

[hulsty]

Are you the FT thats had some pump work etc done and looking at 30psi ?

I'm also very happy with mine on a 13BT.

[58bernie]

Are you the FT thats had some pump work etc done and looking at 30psi ?

I'm also very happy with mine on a 13BT.

not guilty, only looking at 20psi as per Graeme's spec's

[MJ80]

if 4x4 Northside will post the data from the dyno run in this thread and at no cost to me they can do a dyno run with it.
How's that for customer satisfaction for Graeme's turbos without me getting a kick back, but willing to take one.

Why would Northside4x4 want to do a free dyno run for you to advertise someone else's or a competitors turbos ?

[58bernie]

if 4x4 Northside will post the data from the dyno run in this thread and at no cost to me they can do a dyno run with it.
How's that for customer satisfaction for Graeme's turbos without me getting a kick back, but willing to take one.

Why would Northside4x4 want to do a free dyno run for you to advertise someone else's or a competitors turbos ?

I made the offer, if you read all the posts you well see the sharing of information between them.

[crankycruiser]

Have ordered one of these turbos for my new wagon. Will post up results once I've fitted it in a couple of weeks

[TheBigBoy]

Have ordered one of these turbos for my new wagon. Will post up results once I've fitted it in a couple of weeks

Do you have to beat me in everything?

[302 cruiser]

i am keen for one of these

[chaps]

I had my car (1hd-ft 80 series) tuned by Graeme about 6 weeks ago, along with one of his 'grunter' spec turbos. they really do make a world of difference, it makes full boost by 1400-1500rpm and still returns phenomenal fuel economy. On a recent trip to baffle creek I averaged 11.5l per 100km with a 1.2 tonne camper trailer and 2 kayaks on the roof. Being able to go uphills in lock up at 1500rpm with a load on the back is something i would never have been able to do with original turbo.

[Baja Burley]

How many different versions of these are now available?

[hulsty]

4 or 5 I think now

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