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Okay im on the market for a locker to go in the solid axle hilux.
I know there have been heaps of discussion about lockers but i still have a few questions.
1. How do lsd's such as lokka or detroit, go on the road? is there much more tyre wear? what are they like in the back? how do they turn when locked in on the front?
2. Is an air locker really worth the extra coin?
3. is a standard hilux lsd, just as good as another auto locker? do they work the same?
Thanks for any replys
Auto locker is not the same as lsd and an lsd is nowhere near as good as an auto locker. Use the search function as it has been done to death and there is plenty of info out there..
buggy man wrote:Okay im on the market for a locker to go in the solid axle hilux.
I know there have been heaps of discussion about lockers but i still have a few questions.
1. How do lsd's such as lokka or detroit, go on the road? is there much more tyre wear? what are they like in the back? how do they turn when locked in on the front? Depending on brand some are not noticeable, others are clicky.
2. Is an air locker really worth the extra coin? If you have the coin YES
3. is a standard hilux lsd, just as good as another auto locker? do they work the same? No, no, no.
A Toyota LSD is about as good as an open centre Rover diff in terms of traction.
I personally think Detroit lockers are great. You can run them in either diff. Front applications mean a little variance in your driving style when offroad.
If money is no option, and I have no reason to believe why money should be a problem for the OP, then buy ARB or ProLocker.
You can make a toyota LSD alot better than they are by useing shims instead of crush tubes in it
Im looking at the harrop elocker though if my toyota lsd ever lets go
We have a 4wd systems auto Lokka in the rear of our 105. Getting changed soon to an e-locker. The noise of an auto locker is unbelievable. It actually works great offroad but around town its pretty woeful. Would have gone for Airlocker but have heard of stories of lines being ripped out and oil travelling back up into the compressor, hence we we are going for E Locker
love_mud wrote:
my hose is small .. but it's comfortable and full of life.
beinthemud wrote:You can make a toyota LSD alot better than they are by useing shims instead of crush tubes in it
Im looking at the harrop elocker though if my toyota lsd ever lets go
Hey that's two different things..
The crush tubes are in almost every diff from factory and are between pinion bearings, you can change to solid pinion spacer but this has nothing to do with the question he asked..
Yes you can shim the LSD and make it work (cheap but will eventually wear back out) but what you said together doesn't make sence.
Shim a LSD if you have no money, go cheap auto lockers if money is tight but if you can afford it go air or electric lockers
Brad
3.0L turbo diesel, 4" lift, bud's front housing, track assasin cv's, air lokker front + Rear, beadlock'd 37 stickies, high steer, 15.5" travel ranchos, high pinion diff and coils on the rear
BlueSuzy wrote:Another option is the Harrop/Eaton Elocker
Just fitted front & rear Eatons into my 80 series.
Not the cheapest things around at $1500 each + fitting.
I had all new bearings & seals fitted & solid pinion spacers done at the same time.
All up cost was just on $4400 with me removing & refitting the centers.
Wilst I was there I also fitted new stubs & wheel bearings as well bringing the total cost upto $5000 .
Hope I never have to touch the diffs again .
Hamo
[quote="RN"]So do you support your local vendor...not if it is going to cost me almost double. [quote]
beinthemud wrote:You can make a toyota LSD alot better than they are by useing shims instead of crush tubes in it
Im looking at the harrop elocker though if my toyota lsd ever lets go
Hey that's two different things..
The crush tubes are in almost every diff from factory and are between pinion bearings, you can change to solid pinion spacer but this has nothing to do with the question he asked..
Yes you can shim the LSD and make it work (cheap but will eventually wear back out) but what you said together doesn't make sence.
Shim a LSD if you have no money, go cheap auto lockers if money is tight but if you can afford it go air or electric lockers
Brad
Was commenting on what someone else said
And then on the question he asked
I went the Detroit soft auto locker and it is great, you would not know it is there and you don't have to do a thing ( always working). Buy direct from US and save heaps, I would put one in the front to if the disco wasn't AWD.
lariens wrote:I went the Detroit soft auto locker...you would not know it is there...
Having had detroits front and rear I can't believe how often i hear this comment. The front was a nightmare - it would unlock/freewheel only until you really needed to steer. Rear would lock/freewheel intermitantly in a straight line causing the car to pull left or right - the axle would also load up and unlock with an earth shaking bang. In tight corners on the road I'd have to either coast or drive with an egg under my foot to get around smoothly. In open corners the car would push wide. The only benefit was their reliability (though that's a bit of a false benefit when broken CV's/hub studs/axles are taken into consideration).
Maybe i'm just sensitive. ARB's front and rear now - never had a problem.
lariens wrote:I went the Detroit soft auto locker...you would not know it is there...
Having had detroits front and rear I can't believe how often i hear this comment. The front was a nightmare - it would unlock/freewheel only until you really needed to steer. Rear would lock/freewheel intermitantly in a straight line causing the car to pull left or right - the axle would also load up and unlock with an earth shaking bang. In tight corners on the road I'd have to either coast or drive with an egg under my foot to get around smoothly. In open corners the car would push wide. The only benefit was their reliability (though that's a bit of a false benefit when broken CV's/hub studs/axles are taken into consideration).
Maybe i'm just sensitive. ARB's front and rear now - never had a problem.
Are you talking about a soft locker? Or a full detroit?
I used to run a detroit in rear of my truck. Same deal, backlash and pop clutches around corners, chews out tyres big time, load bang when unlocking. It ended up stuffing my axles and hubs, drive shaft, trans and gearbox. I ended up blowing it to peaces in the end. And thank god I did. Air locker all the way. No mechanical ever again.
BlueSuzy wrote:Another option is the Harrop/Eaton Elocker
Just fitted front & rear Eatons into my 80 series.
Not the cheapest things around at $1500 each + fitting.
I had all new bearings & seals fitted & solid pinion spacers done at the same time.
All up cost was just on $4400 with me removing & refitting the centers.
Wilst I was there I also fitted new stubs & wheel bearings as well bringing the total cost upto $5000 .
Hope I never have to touch the diffs again .
Hamo
Wow thats a lot.
I would be doing the work myself.
Wish i could find them in the USA. All i can find is the ones for Dana's and Fords 9"
lariens wrote:I went the Detroit soft auto locker...you would not know it is there...
Having had detroits front and rear I can't believe how often i hear this comment. The front was a nightmare - it would unlock/freewheel only until you really needed to steer. Rear would lock/freewheel intermitantly in a straight line causing the car to pull left or right - the axle would also load up and unlock with an earth shaking bang. In tight corners on the road I'd have to either coast or drive with an egg under my foot to get around smoothly. In open corners the car would push wide. The only benefit was their reliability (though that's a bit of a false benefit when broken CV's/hub studs/axles are taken into consideration).
Maybe i'm just sensitive. ARB's front and rear now - never had a problem.
Are you talking about a soft locker? Or a full detroit?
I used to run a detroit in rear of my truck. Same deal, backlash and pop clutches around corners, chews out tyres big time, load bang when unlocking. It ended up stuffing my axles and hubs, drive shaft, trans and gearbox. I ended up blowing it to peaces in the end. And thank god I did. Air locker all the way. No mechanical ever again.
Mine were soft lockers, not sure what series. Forgot about the backlash - what a pita! The rear would have been great if I didn't do so many road k's, front may have been ok in a different car on different terrain? I sold them with no signs of wear whatsoever and they are well put together so I doubt I'd have ever broken them.
lariens wrote:I went the Detroit soft auto locker...you would not know it is there...
Having had detroits front and rear I can't believe how often i hear this comment. The front was a nightmare - it would unlock/freewheel only until you really needed to steer. Rear would lock/freewheel intermitantly in a straight line causing the car to pull left or right - the axle would also load up and unlock with an earth shaking bang. In tight corners on the road I'd have to either coast or drive with an egg under my foot to get around smoothly. In open corners the car would push wide. The only benefit was their reliability (though that's a bit of a false benefit when broken CV's/hub studs/axles are taken into consideration).
Maybe i'm just sensitive. ARB's front and rear now - never had a problem.
it sounds like the setup wasn't right. they should not unlock in a straight line.
coasting around corners is normal. you have to coast to unlock the diff. uphill corners are a pain.
however i have noticed mine is really touchy with tire air pressure. you must have equal sized tires otherwise it will not drive straight. that might be what was causing the unlocking while driving straight.
I have air leakers in the GU. They are junk.
They blow o ring seals. Pistons have collapsed. Air lines get snagged and leak, and the arb wiring loom shorted popping fuses. If it can go wrong, it has. Whilst I've had a good run of late, in the past it got to the point where I wondered what was going to go wrong each time I used them.
Added to that ARB stuffed the axle seals installing them, so after two months the inner bearing seized and welded itself to the stub axle, costing me 1300 in repairs which they didn't want to know about. And they installed the compressor under the passenger seat next to the ABS inertia sensor and stuffed it, causing the ABS to not work. After extensive investigation and a replacement unit at around $700 they reluctantly agreed to cover the cost.
On the other hand, I ran full detroits in a 2500kg full size 84 Cherokee with a strong 360 cube v8 and 37" boggers. They were great, never failed, delivered traction when required and unlocked under light or trailing throttle. No bangs or driveline harshness either. Yes the steering was heavier, but what do you expect?
If you drove it like a p plater on the road, sure you'd destroy tyres quick smart. But they were great, and would have them again.
My friends aren't holding me back..... I'm pulling 'em forward.
Hahahaha okay so I'm going to chew through tyres... Lol I will be a p-player soon, I have been building the 84 dual cab hilux up while I'm on my l's, so I have done a full respray in the factory white ( turned out great especially as it was my first time spraying and mixingpaints ect.) Put in a 3" lift, flares, built a full tray from rhs, and finished it off with checkerplate, and now I'm re trimming the interior, I have some recaro seats their to go in, fitted some Dick cepeck 33" muddies. Haha so its coming alonng great, considering it was an old paddock basher haha ill stop rattling on, but soon I want to do the lockers, the e-lockers sound great, but Coles don't pay that great haha especially when I'm working around school aswell. But ill start saving my pennies!!!
get a sparten auto locker i got mine for from lowrange 4 $300 delived its in a dual cab lux its a bit ruff on the road if yer tryin to race but i think because its light it isnt as bad as everyone says ive just put it in the front and im puting a full spool in the back mainy because it was $137 but bang 4 buck go the auto locker
if lifes a bitch.............deaths a sl*t cause death cums 4 all of us
Yes auto lockers can work quite well. Be aware of 2 issues that in my experience give me question to use them again.
1. Going down very steep tight corners, front axle stays looked due to loadings on driveline, vehicle will continue to push to outside of track and put you in a dangerous situation with a bound up driveline and no way to release it.
2. Driving on loose roads. Most people normally lock in the front hubs once on the gravel. With an auto locker (unlocker) you generally need to trail the throttle as you go into and thru a corner.
If your driving quickly this can cause the rear end to come around, to catch it you 'may' press the throttle, then the locker locks in and you run wide and 'may' run off the road.
3. Similar issuea with a spool at the rear, slippery road turn in at corner, vehicle continues straight ahead.
If you are comforable with those things on loose surfaces its your call.
Wow thats a lot.
