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TD42 head studs?

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TD42 head studs?

Post by love ke70 »

Hey guys,

I have done my second head gasket in 50K, as per this thread on patrol4x4

http://www.patrol4x4.com/forum/nissan-p ... lp-127777/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

And I'll quote my post to make it easy
Hey guys, I am going to keep this brief if not I could write 10 thousand words on the subject.

So, black top motor on gas pre to me rebuilding it i was running up to 14psi boost, laminova cooler and 25% gas, it cracked a piston in pouring rain, blame water down the snorkel as it had been parked, or just abuse over time I dont know, but it cracked number 5, so be it, it had had the gas on for the better part of 100K and motor had by this stage done 300K.

I rebuilt it myself, but I know what i am doing, and what I didnt I had done by professionals.
the block was good, replaced liners and used GU pistons with ceramic coating, decked to the correct height. stage 3 gasket, 1.25mm from memory. The thickest anyway.

verdict from the machinist was the head was shagged, I still have it, they say it was cracked in all 6 cyls, but I think its just the pre-combs they were talking about, But I was in a rush and wanting something that would hold together so I got my hands on a genuine nissan GU turbo head.

rebuild kit and gasket and pistons supplied by SMS diesel spares, head supplied from A.C.E.R.S in Yatala, but as said, is genuine.

left for the cape with 1000km on the motor, on the way north stopped at diesel central, who had supplied the re-co 200hp pump, and set me up with United diesel in WA for the turbo.

made 190ish hp at the tyres on spanky new 35s weighing 4 tonne, so there was a bit of driveline loss, I was happy to call it 200. running 23ish max boost, EGTS well controlled, very rarely over 500

drove the cape fine, got back and after about 20K had been put on the motor every morning the low coolant alarm would be going off, lots and lots of investigating lead me to agree with every one that the head gasket was pressurising the coolant jacket

got another gasket and new bolts from SMS, had my diesel fitter mate come around and check for straight and torque it down.

initial failure was put down to incorrect HG torque, the gregorys has one NM value, and the internet has a similar torque value but then + 90* on the bolt.

retorqued it to this much higher tension with the new gasket on a clean and straight head and block, and for the past 25K it has been fine, til last week on the highway it ran warm, IE the needle went higher than usual then stayed there for a while, but not hot as such. I was towing my car trailer at the time pushing a head wind and its where I come on the high is an uphill run, then never really lays off for a few KM so I just thought it was working hard, 15PSI boost 350 ish EGT, nothing out of the ordinary for the conditions. Now looking at this, it could have been my first sign of leaking combustion pressure into the coolant jacket again. Will never know though.

now this morning flicked the ignition on, low water alarm, topped it up, went to work, had to get gear during the day, low coolant alarm, topped it up, got back, no pressure in hoses, opened it up hot and running and filled it up, drove it home tonight, rad hoses are rock hard, and got a few bubbles out of the overflow line into the overflow tank, which was full to the brim, classic sign of pumping coolant out due to combustion pressure in coolant jacket.

The ute is always let to idle down to ~160 EGT before being shut down, usually 150.
is driven hard and pulls weight and is heavy, but thats what its for?! never revved beyond where its making power, which is 3500 to 4000. gas is now at 10% and almost makes no difference whether its on or off, just cleans up any smoke a little.

So, what can people suggest may be causing this? **** gaskets? They seemed fine, but I wouldnt know...
bad luck?
something with the pump being wrong?
I am stumped, this thing was meant to hang on tight for a couple of hundred K, now its done 2 head gaskets in 50K.

All useful thoughts and opinions welcomed, happy to supply more info if needed.


Please help me out.

Cheers, Andy

I have decided to redo it with a genuine gasket and studs this time,

just wondering where people have got studs from before, their tensile rating, and what length is actually correct? Im tossing up between 130 and 140 but leaning towards 140, not sure how far out of the bottom of the hole the bolt goes, as I measure a bolt shank length at 113mm from tip to underside of head, + 20mm for washer and nut gives 133, and I guess the bolt is usually atleast 5 out the bottom, so if I bottom the studs a 140 is gonna be right?

ARP doesnt have an actual listing for them, but I reckon something must cross over, or people have done before using something?

so, if anyone has info on studs to use, or any ideas on why it keeps going to shit, I would love to hear. and yes, I will check piston liner protusion when its apart :)

Cheers, Andy
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Re: TD42 head studs?

Post by GUtripper »

Towing a full load up hills, or into a strong headwind at full boost all 4.2's will get hot. Undebonnet temps from a glowing turbo sure don't help. Mine used to occasionally under these circumstances, but would always cool down again when I got off the gas a touch, and/or reached flat ground again.

Re the studs, have you tried getting them from a known engine builder/tuner?
Swaffie in Qld, here in Vic you could try Andy at Dieseltech, Joel at 4by Fabrications, JPC....... Sure they would sell them if you asked nicely. Talk to them about your issues at the same time, wouldn't hurt. All have built 200+wrk w 4.2's.

Cheers, let us know how you go.
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Re: TD42 head studs?

Post by love ke70 »

This truck doesnt get hot unless theres something wrong with it, I know all 4.2s will push up a touch and come back down, but I can do the range and not have the needle move when its healthy, it was out of the ordinary for it to raise and hold like it did.

tried getting hold of swaffie today, just kept getting the machine,

Will try the others, I am sure someone has done this with an off the shelf item, but it does feel like im re-inventing the wheel trying to get studs for them.
would be nice if the ARP catalogue had a size and pitch table not just listings by kits.

I will keep everyone updated.

Cheers, Andy
97 GQ patrol coilcab. TD42, safari turbo kit with fiddled turbo, D-GAS kit. dyno results to come...
4inch lift, king springs, efs and procomp shocks
315/70R16 cooper ST's
found fuel economy...
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Re: TD42 head studs?

Post by MikeH »

Studs will foul on the rocker shaft. Have people found a way around this?

Also: clean you head and block with thinners before putting it together, not so much as a fingerprint on it.
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Re: TD42 head studs?

Post by love ke70 »

I had a brief PM from a fellow who said he was not having issue running studs in his TD42. I thought there would be just enough clearance if the stud did not stick up too much?

Will clean it, and clean it again.

Cheers, Andy
97 GQ patrol coilcab. TD42, safari turbo kit with fiddled turbo, D-GAS kit. dyno results to come...
4inch lift, king springs, efs and procomp shocks
315/70R16 cooper ST's
found fuel economy...
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Re: TD42 head studs?

Post by love ke70 »

Just to update this, when I pulled it down I found the piston liner on cylinder 1 was lower than the deck. UMR have been very good and are rebuilding the motor and doing all the machine work at their cost. I will just have to throw the head on and put the motor back in the truck.
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97 GQ patrol coilcab. TD42, safari turbo kit with fiddled turbo, D-GAS kit. dyno results to come...
4inch lift, king springs, efs and procomp shocks
315/70R16 cooper ST's
found fuel economy...
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