Old School Nissan Trials style event? NSW

[turbo gu]

Now that Willowglen has been run and won, it got me thinking thats this used to be the comp season
Eg, Willowglen, Nissan Trials, Woodpecker(now replaced by Toperi)
Not sure if many on here remember the Original Nissan Trials but
Would there be interest in another Trials style club based event and what would people want eg classes, rego, no rego. Would a combo of TT/Toperi and Willowglen classes work?
Just putting this out as a random thought.
Hit me up with your thoughts

[Toecutta]

I am sure if there was more of these types of comps closer to Sydney/Canberra there would be good support

[thunder]

I was talking to a guy from sorra a while ago and the trials land can be used again.
no rego only if the 4x4 looks like a 4wd. And chassis from diff to diff. There my thoughts.
Willowglen rules are good. 2 back and fills b4 the 70 point marker and just some solid hard tracks just like nissan trials had.

[BUSTED100]

sounds good, all the above

[mitch94]

More comps would be great. I think it'd be a good idea to include a class for tuff truck spec trucks and possible some of the new speed based buggys being built as well as a class for willow glen spec trucks to help get the spectators interested and the sport progressing.

[red rattler]

Agree with what thunder said. A mixture of willowglen and Toperi rules and regs would be a good base to work from.

[ROB ZUK]

The old original classes should give everyone a go. Standard, modified, open and outlaw.

Suzuki on 27" tyres through to ultra fours and Tuff trucks.

[ferog]

Agree with what thunder said. A mixture of willowglen and Toperi rules and regs would be a good base to work from.

Yup, make it appealing to the majority & you won't have a problem getting numbers, another comp close to home would be great.

[DUDELUX]

More entry level, like said above, stock through to ttc class. Gives everyone a chance to have a go, and its alot of fun, like the old jamborees.

[Pyrotech]

stock to outlaw!

gives EVERY one the option to compete and the chance to be staged up next to some of their favourite TT style trucks.
having competed in Nissan trials, it was great to be able to take my daily driver and compete next to some of the toughest trucks in Aus.

[evanstaniland]

There needs to be a few classes. Something like thunder said. Bodied, full chassis and a tyre restriction then an open class for tuff truck styled and buggys/ultra4.

Good location where Nissan trials were.

[teambullet]

My 2 cents, if your going to go up the old school nissan trials road, which in my opinion were some of the best comps i ever did, then you should do the same rules and classes as the very last nissan trials.

I was only just saying to my wife last night, if only there was a reason for me to build another comp truck......
Is this the reason??????
Denny

[the gun]

There needs to be a few classes. Something like thunder said. Bodied, full chassis and a tyre restriction then an open class for tuff truck styled and buggys/ultra4.

Good location where Nissan trials were.

x2
if possible no rego for outlaw, that should see that class well represented

[Toecutta]

Can someone list the comps in NSW?

I had a quick look at what comps there are for "outlaw" type trucks and and coming up with stuff all.

I have;

Tuff Truck: March
WillowGlen: October (but needs rego)
Toperi: November

Thats it, surely there are more?

[turbo gu]

Can someone list the comps in NSW?

I had a quick look at what comps there are for "outlaw" type trucks and and coming up with stuff all.

I have;

Tuff Truck: March
WillowGlen: October (but needs rego)
Toperi: November

Thats it, surely there are more?

There is also an outlaw class at the On All 4s june long weekend event

[evanstaniland]

Can someone list the comps in NSW?

I had a quick look at what comps there are for "outlaw" type trucks and and coming up with stuff all.

I have;

Tuff Truck: March
WillowGlen: October (but needs rego) and tyre size restriction, no full hydro steering and requires batwing tyre coverage. Hardly outlaw
Toperi: November

Thats it, surely there are more?

[albey]

Standard to Outlaw! But no flies or rain please!!!

[MARKx4]

There needs to be a few classes. Something like thunder said. Bodied, full chassis and a tyre restriction then an open class for tuff truck styled and buggys/ultra4.

Good location where Nissan trials were.

x2
if possible no rego for outlaw, that should see that class well represented

This is what is needed, it is impossible to build a rego'd comp car that is legit with current road rules, it needs a few classes here are few susgestions that people can add to so there is a list

Standard Class - 3" lift max, 33" tire's's max, 1 Traction aid max, Full body (guard trim and rear quarter cut only moods aloud), full chassis

Modified class - Any lift, 38" tire's max, 3/4 of original chassis to be kept, body moods aloud but has to main original width from pillar to pillar (A,B and C pillar) depending on chosen body type, Full width front profile as well.

Unlimited class - Tuff Truck/ Ultra 4 stile cars, basically no rules in tires, suspension, chassis (keep as much or as little as you want or full tube chassis), should have body panel to make them look like recognizable brands? but mainly they just have to follow safety rules in this class.

Mark.

[Shady]

Another comp in Sydney would be Awesome , Im sure you would fill it easily with the right vehicle classes

Standard class : 33" Tyres , 2" suspension lift , no body mods, no lockers, original engine and drive train
Modified Class: 36" Tyres , 4" suspension lift, twin lockers , no body mods, original engine and drive train
Open class: 38" Tyres, 6" suspension lift , modified suspension links , twin lockers , trimmed down original body, trimmed original chassis, Engine swap, diff swap , Transfer gears
Outlaw : NO Rego , Unlimited tyres, Unlimited suspension, Unlimited drive train, Original body Trimmed, Chassis Diff to Diff, Full cage , Unlimited Excitement

Buggy : No original chassis, no original body , no original suspension , no original drive train , in fact no real car at all , Hydraulic suspension , 4 wheel steer , full tube chassis , High HP go anywhere Mechano set ,
or we could pretend that buggys are the same as other 4WD based Trucks and have original chassis , firewall, radiator support, A pillars, B pillars and Grills etc and call them Outlaw like we currently do .

I think this is something like the Original Nissan trials (SORRA) vehicle classes

[evanstaniland]

There needs to be a class where ultra4 buggies don't need 'truck' looking panels. I'm building an ultra4 and its too narrow to sport panels and really if I wanted panels I would of built another truck not a buggy.

I'm all for having truck looks for say tuff truck with a full tube chassis and pending sponsor contributions could sacrifice a full fiberglass shell but not every comp!

[thunder]

Why dont all the drivers who build buggies, go and get together and create/ start your own event, ffs enough cash is thrown into your buggies , im sure you can throw some cash into an event to get it off the ground.
Hell if enough people wanted to have shares in a property so you drive such vehicles then I would be interested.(but thats another story).

[MARKx4]

Why dont all the drivers who build buggies, go and get together and create/ start your own event, ffs enough cash is thrown into your buggies , im sure you can throw some cash into an event to get it off the ground.
Hell if enough people wanted to have shares in a property so you drive such vehicles then I would be interested.(but thats another story).

Its not all about buggies, it is about growing the competition scene in NSW and Australia, and the only way to do that is to accept all forms of cars into suitable comps. If you have a issue with buggies wanting to be integrated into rock crawling and other medium to hard core comps (were buggies all started and now they are made to go fast and handle extreme terrain as well) then it is this kind of attitude that will never let our sport grow.

Hell these new buggies can do winch challenge events and be super competitive and be more then likely faster and stronger then the current batch of winch challenge trucks and may even cost less.

And for your you opinion on starting there own comps you must have your head in the sand or just very one track minded if you haven't heard or realized all the hard work the guys have been doing to get the Aust 4 series up and running, all the crap they had to go through to get this off the ground most other people would have thrown in the towel a long time ago.

And here we have another person that wants to start another NSW comp and has asked for opinions on classes and other idea's, and this type of event suits all 4wds and needs to have classes to suit them. So if you have something useful to contribute to the conversation by all means please put them up.

Mark.

[MARKx4]

There needs to be a class where ultra4 buggies don't need 'truck' looking panels. I'm building an ultra4 and its too narrow to sport panels and really if I wanted panels I would of built another truck not a buggy.

I'm all for having truck looks for say tuff truck with a full tube chassis and pending sponsor contributions could sacrifice a full fiberglass shell but not every comp!

Panels can be just a clip on for a few comps, it wouldn't be that hard to achieve if you really wanted to enter more comps. There has to be a willing to do something from both competitors and event organizers as it cant be all one sided.

Mark.

[GU_247]

Why dont all the drivers who build buggies, go and get together and create/ start your own event, ffs enough cash is thrown into your buggies , im sure you can throw some cash into an event to get it off the ground.
Hell if enough people wanted to have shares in a property so you drive such vehicles then I would be interested.(but thats another story).

Its not all about buggies, it is about growing the competition scene in NSW and Australia, and the only way to do that is to accept all forms of cars into suitable comps. If you have a issue with buggies wanting to be integrated into rock crawling and other medium to hard core comps (were buggies all started and now they are made to go fast and handle extreme terrain as well) then it is this kind of attitude that will never let our sport grow.

Hell these new buggies can do winch challenge events and be super competitive and be more then likely faster and stronger then the current batch of winch challenge trucks and may even cost less.

And for your you opinion on starting there own comps you must have your head in the sand or just very one track minded if you haven't heard or realized all the hard work the guys have been doing to get the Aust 4 series up and running, all the crap they had to go through to get this off the ground most other people would have thrown in the towel a long time ago.

And here we have another person that wants to start another NSW comp and has asked for opinions on classes and other idea's, and this type of event suits all 4wds and needs to have classes to suit them. So if you have something useful to contribute to the conversation by all means please put them up.

Mark.

Mate you're a wanker.... Clearly all thunder is trying to say there is more room for buggy events.. It's tools like you that got their head stuck in the sand... I don't mind watching buggys but I sure as hell enjoy watching cars u might see in the woolies car park out drive some buggies

[MARKx4]

Why dont all the drivers who build buggies, go and get together and create/ start your own event, ffs enough cash is thrown into your buggies , im sure you can throw some cash into an event to get it off the ground.
Hell if enough people wanted to have shares in a property so you drive such vehicles then I would be interested.(but thats another story).

Its not all about buggies, it is about growing the competition scene in NSW and Australia, and the only way to do that is to accept all forms of cars into suitable comps. If you have a issue with buggies wanting to be integrated into rock crawling and other medium to hard core comps (were buggies all started and now they are made to go fast and handle extreme terrain as well) then it is this kind of attitude that will never let our sport grow.

Hell these new buggies can do winch challenge events and be super competitive and be more then likely faster and stronger then the current batch of winch challenge trucks and may even cost less.

And for your you opinion on starting there own comps you must have your head in the sand or just very one track minded if you haven't heard or realized all the hard work the guys have been doing to get the Aust 4 series up and running, all the crap they had to go through to get this off the ground most other people would have thrown in the towel a long time ago.

And here we have another person that wants to start another NSW comp and has asked for opinions on classes and other idea's, and this type of event suits all 4wds and needs to have classes to suit them. So if you have something useful to contribute to the conversation by all means please put them up.

Mark.

Mate you're a wanker.... Clearly all thunder is trying to say there is more room for buggy events.. It's tools like you that got their head stuck in the sand... I don't mind watching buggys but I sure as hell enjoy watching cars u might see in the woolies car park out drive some buggies

My point was a little aggressive and I was wrong, there is not a lot of room for a new class in this country and all established classes we have today came from the same group so many years ago and then split off into their own groups and are what they are today. If it wasn't for this start they may not be that strong this present moment, why can't we do the same for a new class it just seems people forget where we all started that's all.

Mark.

P.S I love seeing buggies getting shown up by cheaper 4wds, it's Un Australian not to want to see the underdog get up.

[GU_247]

Why dont all the drivers who build buggies, go and get together and create/ start your own event, ffs enough cash is thrown into your buggies , im sure you can throw some cash into an event to get it off the ground.
Hell if enough people wanted to have shares in a property so you drive such vehicles then I would be interested.(but thats another story).

Its not all about buggies, it is about growing the competition scene in NSW and Australia, and the only way to do that is to accept all forms of cars into suitable comps. If you have a issue with buggies wanting to be integrated into rock crawling and other medium to hard core comps (were buggies all started and now they are made to go fast and handle extreme terrain as well) then it is this kind of attitude that will never let our sport grow.

Hell these new buggies can do winch challenge events and be super competitive and be more then likely faster and stronger then the current batch of winch challenge trucks and may even cost less.

And for your you opinion on starting there own comps you must have your head in the sand or just very one track minded if you haven't heard or realized all the hard work the guys have been doing to get the Aust 4 series up and running, all the crap they had to go through to get this off the ground most other people would have thrown in the towel a long time ago.

And here we have another person that wants to start another NSW comp and has asked for opinions on classes and other idea's, and this type of event suits all 4wds and needs to have classes to suit them. So if you have something useful to contribute to the conversation by all means please put them up.

Mark.

Mate you're a wanker.... Clearly all thunder is trying to say there is more room for buggy events.. It's tools like you that got their head stuck in the sand... I don't mind watching buggys but I sure as hell enjoy watching cars u might see in the woolies car park out drive some buggies

My point was a little aggressive and I was wrong, there is not a lot of room for a new class in this country and all established classes we have today came from the same group so many years ago and then split off into their own groups and are what they are today. If it wasn't for this start they may not be that strong this present moment, why can't we do the same for a new class it just seems people forget where we all started that's all.

Mark.

P.S I love seeing buggies getting shown up by cheaper 4wds, it's Un Australian not to want to see the underdog get up.

I think running the different styles of cars on the same course is ok but in the past I have heard some guys whinge the courses are too easy to buggy type vehicles....you only had to look at toperi this year... There is a lot more tuff truck type vehicles getting built and it's great to see the sport growing...supply and demand will certainly play a part if more events are to start...but you're right we all must not forget where we came from.... That is why to see Nissan trials make a comeback would be awesome...even if it takes working bees from the competitors I'm sure you'll have a big show of hands for this event of any new events.... As long as they aren't too far away I'd be up for it

[evanstaniland]

I think running the different styles of cars on the same course is ok but in the past I have heard some guys whinge the courses are too easy to buggy type vehicles...

that comes down to the person. friendly competition on 'easy' tracks with a buggy is still a shit load of fun. if people cant justify towing to an event cos its 'easy' then dont. having a variety of styled rigs doing the same track is a good idea.

ffs enough cash is thrown into your buggies , im sure you can throw some cash into an event to get it off the ground.

my buggy will be worth alot less than your patrol. if its a separate class why so negative? you wouldnt be running with them!

[Mudboy]

I guess what we all would like to see is more events on the calendar, but saying that is one thing but actually supporting it is another, for example willowglen this year had less competitors than previous years, also spectator numbers were down, I also believe spectators were down at Toperi, having been involved in running events in the past a lot of work, planning and money goes into getting a comp off the ground and if you do not get the support from the 4x4 community you have to wonder if it is worth while. As a club we have run many events over the past decade and we want to see them continue, but in the end of the day it has to be financial to make it worth while.

David
On all 4's 4wd club secretary

[purana]

Well u guys want it so i pushed for it to happen! On all fours club have been considering the lack of competitors and spectators at all resent 4wd events and after much consideration and negotions have secured the sorra site (old nissan trials site) for the june long weekend. As many of u would realise this is the weekend when would usually run our opposite lock challenge at the mudgee site, well we think the smiths property is brilliant but deserves a well earned break and will hopefully be back in the future for bigger and better things. The sorra site is that much closer to sydney and will hopefully bring back some competitors. In saying this the new site will be run under basically the same rules as this past event (ol challenge/blackrat) with a few changes due to the new location. Unfortunatly for this coming years event we be sticking to the Registered vehicles only, this keeps our insurers happy and keeps the track builders job a bit simpler (we r pushing to get it done in time as it is) hopefully if all go's well we may be able to run future events at this location rego free but for now its a start. There will be four classes, standard, modified, open and outlaw i will post specifics on a seperate thread that will be more comp specific. Event will be open to public spectating but only assoctiation comptetors. Thats enough from me what does everyone think??

Chris
On all fours 4wd club

[tjm_tj]

i'd be bang up for a go if there was a class to suit my small rig
my zook is closer to being a tourer than a comp rig, but i'd be willing to travel to do some comps to suit
im on 30's with lockers and have no plans to go bigger,
i love watching the buggies, outlaws and wichies ect ect,
but it would be great to have some more comps to suit the daily driver types too