CCDA external roll cage rules

[evanstaniland]

The ibex isn't a one fits all in my opinion. And nor does the look of that chassis appeal to everyone.

[ezzman]

Whether you buy a built chassis or a goat built style flat pack chassis from the states there will always be work to do to the chassis to accommodate your own tastes, driveline,suspension. There are so many factors that need to be taken into account that there simply is no such thing as a 1 size fits all chassis. Speak to the guys that have brought these chassis's in from the states and if you were to ask them how much extra work was required to make them driveable you would find that a custom chassis from the likes of overkill engineering would more than be competitive price wise in fact you would probably be in front for all the time you had to put into the "bought off a plan" chassis.

[WICKED]

The ibex isn't a one fits all in my opinion. And nor does the look of that chassis appeal to everyone.

It's sold that way but your right. Just look at guys trying th change the suspension setups.

[WICKED]

Whether you buy a built chassis or a goat built style flat pack chassis from the states there will always be work to do to the chassis to accommodate your own tastes, driveline,suspension. There are so many factors that need to be taken into account that there simply is no such thing as a 1 size fits all chassis. Speak to the guys that have brought these chassis's in from the states and if you were to ask them how much extra work was required to make them driveable you would find that a custom chassis from the likes of overkill engineering would more than be competitive price wise in fact you would probably be in front for all the time you had to put into the "bought off a plan" chassis.

Cheaper costs more in the end!
Same as diffs!!

[evanstaniland]

Cheaper costs more in the end!
Same as diffs!!

how does picking a cheaper chassis workout to be more in the end?

[WICKED]

Cheaper costs more in the end!
Same as diffs!!

how does picking a cheaper chassis workout to be more in the end?

Ibex - built it, cut it, change it, modify changes, etc
So tube, wire, gas, power, man hours etc

I'm saying have one built by the likes of Buds or Keck. Not an ibex or atrec then mod it,

[evanstaniland]

but people do have the option to build exact to Ibex plans and have a fairly competitive rig cheap!

[ezzman]

Seeing one go together Evan, there is a lot that I personally would change. Obviously there would be some that get bought and put together and driven, but I'm pretty sure you would find the majority of people buying them would be changing tubes to fit parts. And I don't think the goat built is "cheap" compared to what you could get a custom built chassis for. Just my 2c.

[WICKED]

Chassis built too order aren't that dear when you get what you want. Guys I contacted when I was looking anyway.

[evanstaniland]

i totally agree Ben, i dont personally like the look of the ibex and spoke with a few different chassis builders in the US and opted for a fresh design built here at Overkill. built to what i wanted and what parts im running.

[Dover]

Since this seems to be about the IBEX chassis and there seems to be a certain expert on here that doesn't own one i thought i might just add something.
The IBEX is a out of the box, this is how it is chassis it has never been advertised as a KOH winner or even a race car. If you aren't into customizing it and changing it then it is a great and very easy chassis to build it can be bought with all the brackets and pieces you need to assemble yourself and have a great fun buggy, Drew who owns Goat Built in the states is always making new and modified things for his chassis and they are evolving. There are a few guys modifying them here in Oz to suit racing in either the Aust4 Series or Ultra 4 and if you want to customize any mass produced buggy then you will need to have some skill or get the help of someone like Brooksy from C44F or Sam from Overkill Engineering to help you out.
The Ibex is also a bit bigger than the Jimmy, Artec or most of the Australia built chassis. Is it a "sexy" looking chassis, No, but it is rugged and will do the job just like the old Bomber chassis did in the past.
If you want a custom built chassis then Sam from Overkill has proven himself many times that he is capable of building to your requirements, Chris from Dragtec is also one that can build a chassis but I'm not really sure what he's doing these days both these guys have built proven rigs in the past and don't just say they can like some fabricators. In the end i think most of these chassis end up around the same money so it just a matter of whether you want to assemble and build yourself or get someone to do it for you.
As for having full buggies in TT, why would you, they get more than enough entrants and are running a successful business off it. Apart from that most of these "race" buggies don't flex as well as a good TT car and are rather wide. It would be like driving a full bodied patrol thats 4 inchs wider.

[Dover]

In saying that dead shit customers, people wanting free shit, event owners/promoters and "sponsored" people promising everything and huge crowd exposure etc and letting the business down doesn't help and I'm sure would contribute too business's just not caring.

[V.W.Dave]

So from this thread alone we have clarified a few things.

1) MogLux, Matt is never wrong and cool but only because he has no friends
2) Pricey, still trolls around but seems to only talk to defend the 40 crew but always has good info.
3) Wicked, Ben Henrey Hummm ahh yahh enough said there.
4) I still don't care what any of you think of me I am here to have a little fun with you
5) Bruce is alive
6) Outers still hasn't changed Ohhh wait it has Webwheeler Dave is back its back to feeling like home again

[Skegbudley]

Can't wait for May 2nd 2014 to see how these beasts go.

[WICKED]

Wrong spelling Dave but I think people get the point lol

[offroadboss]

What a great family this is

[Z()LTAN]

If you guys spent as much time building as talking shit you'd all be finished.

Tuff truck is tuff TRUCK, alot of you are already pushing the 'truck' notion far enough. Can hardly tell what some of the cars are supposed to be.

Just my 2c

[MARKx4]

If you guys spent as much time building as talking shit you'd all be finished.

Tuff truck is tuff TRUCK, alot of you are already pushing the 'truck' notion far enough. Can hardly tell what some of the cars are supposed to be.

Just my 2c

Isn't that why rules are invented, to be interpreted in 50 different ways then pushed, squeezed and stretched anyway you can to best suit what you want to build?

Mark.

[Z()LTAN]

If you guys spent as much time building as talking shit you'd all be finished.

Tuff truck is tuff TRUCK, alot of you are already pushing the 'truck' notion far enough. Can hardly tell what some of the cars are supposed to be.

Just my 2c

Isn't that why rules are invented, to be interpreted in 50 different ways then pushed, squeezed and stretched anyway you can to best suit what you want to build?

Mark.

No

[johnsy86]

If you guys spent as much time building as talking shit you'd all be finished.

Tuff truck is tuff TRUCK, alot of you are already pushing the 'truck' notion far enough. Can hardly tell what some of the cars are supposed to be.

Just my 2c

Isn't that why rules are invented, to be interpreted in 50 different ways then pushed, squeezed and stretched anyway you can to best suit what you want to build?

Mark.

No

yes lol

[MARKx4]

If you guys spent as much time building as talking shit you'd all be finished.

Tuff truck is tuff TRUCK, alot of you are already pushing the 'truck' notion far enough. Can hardly tell what some of the cars are supposed to be.

Just my 2c

Isn't that why rules are invented, to be interpreted in 50 different ways then pushed, squeezed and stretched anyway you can to best suit what you want to build?

Mark.

No

In that case turn all comps in to things like the old mini cup where there was only set things that could be down to the cars and were built by 1 builder and you purchased the car off them, they delivered them to and from the track and then all you do is show up and drive then go home and leave the car and receive a repair bill pay it and show up and compete in the next comp. Sounds like fun...

Mark.

[turbo gu]

The smart people motorsport ALWAYS read between the rules!! Its what they don't say is whats important!!
Read up on Smokey Yunkic (sp) he was the master of this in the early Nascar years! Larry Perkins was another

[11_evl]

Nice read

[11_evl]

Buggies shouldn't be at ttc. The tracks are not difficult enough.
The cage material rule is all good, if this material is as good as everyone bangs on about my new build will be indestructible.
The ttc/ Aust4 chassis rail thing is a questionable statement, I can't see why a chassis rail should really split the aust4 field that much, just work the rules and your build specs and I hope it's doable. I don't think one person will dominate over someone because the do and don't have full tube or a chassis rail. Focus more on finishing!! Also more components to a 'race' car than than platform it's built off. Diffs, suspension, motor, driveline, ability all come into it. I 'race' lol with a beat up old Sierra against 200k buggies and still come up on top more times than one.
Just saying it's not all about one thing, it's a package.
To be cage design is more important than material. But rules are rules I will do my best to suck it up and comply.
Keep the info / changes coming ttc.

[evanstaniland]

. I 'race' lol with a beat up old Sierra against 200k buggies.

Who is running a $200k buggy?

[johnsy86]

. I 'race' lol with a beat up old Sierra against 200k buggies.

Who is running a $200k buggy?

Your really missing his point there............

[1MadEngineer]

Buggies shouldn't be at ttc. The tracks are not difficult enough.
The cage material rule is all good, if this material is as good as everyone bangs on about my new build will be indestructible.
The ttc/ Aust4 chassis rail thing is a questionable statement, I can't see why a chassis rail should really split the aust4 field that much, just work the rules and your build specs and I hope it's doable. I don't think one person will dominate over someone because the do and don't have full tube or a chassis rail. Focus more on finishing!! Also more components to a 'race' car than than platform it's built off. Diffs, suspension, motor, driveline, ability all come into it. I 'race' lol with a beat up old Sierra against $200k MQ's and still come up on top more times than one.
Just saying it's not all about one thing, it's a package.
To be cage design is more important than material. But rules are rules I will do my best to suck it up and comply.
Keep the info / changes coming ttc.

i fixed the typo for you

[evanstaniland]

. I 'race' lol with a beat up old Sierra against 200k buggies.

Who is running a $200k buggy?

Your really missing his point there............

I got the point Steve, I'm curious that's all!

[ezzman]

Buggies shouldn't be at ttc. The tracks are not difficult enough.
The cage material rule is all good, if this material is as good as everyone bangs on about my new build will be indestructible.
The ttc/ Aust4 chassis rail thing is a questionable statement, I can't see why a chassis rail should really split the aust4 field that much, just work the rules and your build specs and I hope it's doable. I don't think one person will dominate over someone because the do and don't have full tube or a chassis rail. Focus more on finishing!! Also more components to a 'race' car than than platform it's built off. Diffs, suspension, motor, driveline, ability all come into it. I 'race' lol with a beat up old Sierra against $200k MQ's and still come up on top more times than one.
Just saying it's not all about one thing, it's a package.
To be cage design is more important than material. But rules are rules I will do my best to suck it up and comply.
Keep the info / changes coming ttc.

i fixed the typo for you

[brooksy]

I agree totally with you Mick except for last paragraph. Material is very important to be able to regulate & control the quality of materials.


brooksy