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this thread is pretty bloody funny.
hilux i would say is definitely the most capable in stock form, when you are talking about the capabilities of built vehicles it depends on the intelligence of the person doing the modifications..
a GQ with 6" springs and standard links will not perform or climb any better than a hilux with tall springs.
edit: something else i just thought about, a lot of people are talking about the patrols being overweight. hypolux's hilux was less than 100kg lighter than my maverick, and if i didn't have a winch (he didn't at the time) the difference would be more like 50kg.
hilux i would say is definitely the most capable in stock form, when you are talking about the capabilities of built vehicles it depends on the intelligence of the person doing the modifications..
a GQ with 6" springs and standard links will not perform or climb any better than a hilux with tall springs.
edit: something else i just thought about, a lot of people are talking about the patrols being overweight. hypolux's hilux was less than 100kg lighter than my maverick, and if i didn't have a winch (he didn't at the time) the difference would be more like 50kg.
Wendle wrote:this thread is pretty bloody funny.
hilux i would say is definitely the most capable in stock form, when you are talking about the capabilities of built vehicles it depends on the intelligence of the person doing the modifications..
a GQ with 6" springs and standard links will not perform or climb any better than a hilux with tall springs.
edit: something else i just thought about, a lot of people are talking about the patrols being overweight. hypolux's hilux was less than 100kg lighter than my maverick, and if i didn't have a winch (he didn't at the time) the difference would be more like 50kg.
WTF
If a stock Hilux makes it up any hill or through any 4by obsticle course I would have no hesitation in doin the exact same in reverse in a stock Rangie
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droopypete wrote:Rainbow Warrior wrote:turps wrote:N*A*M wrote:land rover!
who else had an all coil, v8, power-steering beast in the early 70s?
Dosent mean they got it right though..
Didn't they? Took Nissan & Toyota till the mid eighties to get some of those features, such as 4 wheel discs & AWD, and Toyota still can't make a decent AWD system.
Don't you mean early 80's?
Peter.
What was the first coil sprung, full time 4x4 with discs all round from Toyota, thought it was in 1989 - nissan even beat you ... 1987 that is late 80s in my book
Tom
Wendle wrote:hilux i would say is definitely the most capable in stock form,.
I counter this by saying a stock Sierra would win hands down. Light weight, good power to weight, nimble. i have seen stock sierras out drive many a well built Hilux before.
But if you were comparing a live axle Hilux to a Patrol in stock form then I agree
As to top ten 4wd, what do you mean by that. Best 4wd for general wheeling, or hard core, or winch event comps, or OBS type events, or outback touring. So many variables. Different vehicles suit for different things.
I picked Suzuki Sierras for weekend hard trips (if I can ever get the bloody thing back on the road) and my Nissan GQ for weekend camping and extended touring trips
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grimbo wrote:Wendle wrote:hilux i would say is definitely the most capable in stock form,.
I counter this by saying a stock Sierra would win hands down. Light weight, good power to weight, nimble. i have seen stock sierras out drive many a well built Hilux before.
But if you were comparing a live axle Hilux to a Patrol in stock form then I agree
depends, i think stock zooks are simply too short for a lot of obstacles..
Ben wrote:Boy, boys, boys...stop all this fighting. There can only be one correct answer, and it has to be Jeep. 'Cause if wasn't for Jeep none of you would enjoy the benefits of a 4WD.
So Jeep it is!
that's an interesting twist on history. There were 4wds before Jeep, hate to break it to you, sorry
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grimbo wrote:Ben wrote:Boy, boys, boys...stop all this fighting. There can only be one correct answer, and it has to be Jeep. 'Cause if wasn't for Jeep none of you would enjoy the benefits of a 4WD.
So Jeep it is!
that's an interesting twist on history. There were 4wds before Jeep, hate to break it to you, sorry
I think the "twist on history" that Ben has in mind is probably the role Jeep played in winning WW2.
Jason
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chimpboy wrote:I think the "twist on history" that Ben has in mind is probably the role Jeep played in winning WW2.
Jason
I thought it was a big blinding flash that won it ! .....ask the Mayor of Hiroshma
[color=blue][size=150][b]And your cry-baby, whinyassed opinion would be.....? [/b][/size][/color]
grimbo wrote:Ben wrote:Boy, boys, boys...stop all this fighting. There can only be one correct answer, and it has to be Jeep. 'Cause if wasn't for Jeep none of you would enjoy the benefits of a 4WD.
So Jeep it is!
that's an interesting twist on history. There were 4wds before Jeep, hate to break it to you, sorry
Not in my world there isn't...the rest are Rav 4's.
Apparently people think I'm too patronising (that means I treat them like they’re stupid).
I reckon the original Range Rover was the most significant "recreational" 4WD. Set the standard when it was released, and over 30 years later there aren't too many production 4WDs as capable (as the original) off road. Talk about ahead of it's time!
Sure, it has weaknesses - as does the Toyota front axle
For what I want, I'm happy with my Paj - but I'm not as keen on the current models (although that new DiD engine performs pretty good...)
Scott
And the blinding flash ended the war in the Pacific - the war in Europe was a separate matter.
Sure, it has weaknesses - as does the Toyota front axle
For what I want, I'm happy with my Paj - but I'm not as keen on the current models (although that new DiD engine performs pretty good...)
Scott
And the blinding flash ended the war in the Pacific - the war in Europe was a separate matter.
RaginRover wrote:droopypete wrote:Rainbow Warrior wrote:turps wrote:N*A*M wrote:land rover!
who else had an all coil, v8, power-steering beast in the early 70s?
Dosent mean they got it right though..
Didn't they? Took Nissan & Toyota till the mid eighties to get some of those features, such as 4 wheel discs & AWD, and Toyota still can't make a decent AWD system.
Don't you mean early 80's?
Peter.
What was the first coil sprung, full time 4x4 with discs all round from Toyota, thought it was in 1989 - nissan even beat you ... 1987 that is late 80s in my book
Tom
That is not what you said, you said " Took Nissan & Toyota till the mid eighties to get some of those features" refering to Nam's previous post "who else had an all coil, v8, power-steering beast in the early 70s?".
L/Cruisers had solid axle coils all round with power steering in the early 80's.
Peter.
Wendle wrote:grimbo wrote:Wendle wrote:hilux i would say is definitely the most capable in stock form,.
I counter this by saying a stock Sierra would win hands down. Light weight, good power to weight, nimble. i have seen stock sierras out drive many a well built Hilux before.
But if you were comparing a live axle Hilux to a Patrol in stock form then I agree
depends, i think stock zooks are simply too short for a lot of obstacles..
Again that all depends .. A stocker with 1 or 2 stock difflocks installed would would outperform em all in the bush
The Pootrol would eat the Lux in open road desert 4x4ing...
The Zuk would poo on em all in the sand ...
Whats your flavor of terrain .. you will find a 4x4 to suit ..
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NJ SWB wrote:I reckon the original Range Rover was the most significant "recreational" 4WD. Set the standard when it was released, and over 30 years later there aren't too many production 4WDs as capable (as the original) off road. Talk about ahead of it's time!
Sure, it has weaknesses - as does the Toyota front axle
I have to agree with this, even today the style of the original rangie still holds it's own, it was a case of getting it right first time.
Peter.
Wendle wrote:grimbo wrote:Wendle wrote:hilux i would say is definitely the most capable in stock form,.
I counter this by saying a stock Sierra would win hands down. Light weight, good power to weight, nimble. i have seen stock sierras out drive many a well built Hilux before.
But if you were comparing a live axle Hilux to a Patrol in stock form then I agree
depends, i think stock zooks are simply too short for a lot of obstacles..
there are LWB zooks too remember
Mark.
Stock for stock, nothing can compare to a Rubicon. Jeep invented the go-anywhere, do-anything 4x4, and still wears the crown. And with the ready availability of aftermarket parts, Jeeps enjoy a versatility matched by no other vehicle.
2004 Jeep Wrangler Rubicon with a few added goodies and some bodywork by Rocks and Trees, Inc.
Perfect Aggression wrote:Stock for stock, nothing can compare to a Rubicon. Jeep invented the go-anywhere, do-anything 4x4, and still wears the crown. And with the ready availability of aftermarket parts, Jeeps enjoy a versatility matched by no other vehicle.
so where did you copy that bit of marketing babble? What a load of coddswallop. If you do a bit of research you'll find that Jeep didn't invent the go-anywhere, do-anything 4x4, but actually worked out how to market it as that. Big difference
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Perfect Aggression wrote:Stock for stock, nothing can compare to a Rubicon. Jeep invented the go-anywhere, do-anything 4x4, and still wears the crown. And with the ready availability of aftermarket parts, Jeeps enjoy a versatility matched by no other vehicle.
I am always sus when the new guy with 1 post come out with drivell like this.
Ok own up, who is the smart arse that has got himself a new username just so to heeps can look more popular than the zooks on a poll?
Peter.
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