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Defender... reliable!
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Defender... reliable!
i fliped through 4x4 Australia today and was looking at the artical gulf to gulf. Headed by Ron and Viv Moon, a fair few vehicles( can't remember i only skim read it) but the nissan gu's were braking fifth gear, and one even broke an engine early on, a 100 series blew its front diff and the only defender.........wait for it......... NO PROBLEMS.........HAHAHAHAHAHA
cheers, Serg
cheers, Serg
Re: Defender... reliable!
uninformed wrote:i fliped through 4x4 Australia today and was looking at the artical gulf to gulf. Headed by Ron and Viv Moon, a fair few vehicles( can't remember i only skim read it) but the nissan gu's were braking fifth gear, and one even broke an engine early on, a 100 series blew its front diff and the only defender.........wait for it......... NO PROBLEMS.........HAHAHAHAHAHA
cheers, Serg
bwhaaa hhaahhahhahaha
@ over 3tonne and the size of the front pumkin i wonder why?
TD5 96 Discovery UTE.
Being of British descent it gives me no satisfaction to sling off at LandRovers, but history shows that they are among the most unreliable and troublesome of the so called real 4wd's. Broken gearboxes,diffs, axles. dodgy electrics, chassis rot etc has all been well documented over the decades. They had a fair vehicle back in 85 with the 4speed Salisbury rear diffed County but after that ,with the advent of 5 speed gearboxes they haven't been in the race reliabilitywise. The TD5 defenders are pure crap and don't even have Salisbury diffs anymore. they are back where it all started 56 years ago with shitty Rover diffs front and rear. I could go on for several more paragraphs, but you probably already get the idea that I am no longer the Rover group's greatest fan.
Bill.
Bill.
daddylonglegs wrote:Being of British descent it gives me no satisfaction to sling off at LandRovers, but history shows that they are among the most unreliable and troublesome of the so called real 4wd's. Broken gearboxes,diffs, axles. dodgy electrics, chassis rot etc has all been well documented over the decades. They had a fair vehicle back in 85 with the 4speed Salisbury rear diffed County but after that ,with the advent of 5 speed gearboxes they haven't been in the race reliabilitywise. The TD5 defenders are pure crap and don't even have Salisbury diffs anymore. they are back where it all started 56 years ago with shitty Rover diffs front and rear. I could go on for several more paragraphs, but you probably already get the idea that I am no longer the Rover group's greatest fan.
Bill.
you will find documents like this for every vehicle
why is it that we spend alot of time defending the rover name when it is mostly our own that shit can it the most. yes theres shit coming out of every factory its just the depth that varries. i have had a 81 rangie, s111 and now a 98 110 defender and its been faultless for 110,000kms and thats in 3 years towing a big f trailer, trips to fraser island and some medium 4x4ing. everything can be improved on any vehicle and it makes me cringe the way landrover/ford are going but if we arn't positive about the marque no one will be and we may as well just buy commoderes. neck me now.
Serg
Serg
My 96' 110 has never missed abeat and i give it heaps. weather it be in the bush or flogging thru soft deep soft sand i can count on it every time to pull me through or any one else out of trouble. of course i service my 110 myself every 5000 ks and and have made basic modifactions to improve it ability. like every make has faults rover has had some. ive owned hiluxs and have frends who have had nothing but trouble with crusiers and luxes even my hilux let me down more then once.
just for interest sake, last month i pulled out a bogged rangie that was hooked to a bogged HRV towing a trailer. both rangie and the HRV were going nowhere. i hooked on to the rangie and was able to pull both trucks and trailer from a standing start slightly up hill in deep soft sand on the first go. needless to say it was a great plug for landrover as there were about 10 other 4wd around watching and applauding. ill never get rid of my fender its been the best truck ive ever owned, most other defender owners will echo this.
Drew.
just for interest sake, last month i pulled out a bogged rangie that was hooked to a bogged HRV towing a trailer. both rangie and the HRV were going nowhere. i hooked on to the rangie and was able to pull both trucks and trailer from a standing start slightly up hill in deep soft sand on the first go. needless to say it was a great plug for landrover as there were about 10 other 4wd around watching and applauding. ill never get rid of my fender its been the best truck ive ever owned, most other defender owners will echo this.
Drew.
MOVE OVER, HERE COMES ROVER!!!
If you and your loved ones were dropped in the middle of the Simpson,Sahara desert, or the Amazon jungle, told that you could have no outside assistance and you had the choice of any brand of modern 4wd to get you out safely, I wonder how many longtime LandRover owner/enthusiasts would really risk it all with a Rover? I wish I could say I would, but I can't. Having said that, I will probably still keep my old LandRover until I die.
Bill.
Bill.
I think you are a bit harsh Bill. Sure the County's were probably the strongest and most sorted Land Rovers made, (I am really happy with mine) but all vehicle makes have their problems. The LR chassis only rusts as much as any other make and the body less so. Toyota's had their share of gearbox mainshaft problems, and the ones that get used hard (especially the 75 series troopies) just about fall apart from body stress fractures.
The Japanese are probably the word's best at mass producing things, so of course their trucks generally have fewer problems due to better quality control.
I too am not that fussed with the way the Land Rover Group is going but it is no different to all the other 4x4 companies.
The Japanese are probably the word's best at mass producing things, so of course their trucks generally have fewer problems due to better quality control.
I too am not that fussed with the way the Land Rover Group is going but it is no different to all the other 4x4 companies.
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RUFF wrote:Beally STFU Your becoming a real PITA.
i am an ex south african that used to conduct overland safaris from South Africa to Kenya, through some of the harshest terrain around....
Not once did i see a broken down landy....but on a weekly basis, would meet Nissota owners broken down in the middle of nowhere with no clue on what was wrong with their rig....
Now, maybe this was because landy owners are forced to become home mechanics and most can repair their rig on the side of the road....or maybe it is because they are aware of their vehicles short comings and attend to them before they become a problem.
Me, I choose Land Rover....because they have character, have been reliable for me and are easy to fix with a few basic tools...excluding the new wizz bang, electronic everything, plastic fantastic new models Ford are releasing....
Not once did i see a broken down landy....but on a weekly basis, would meet Nissota owners broken down in the middle of nowhere with no clue on what was wrong with their rig....
Now, maybe this was because landy owners are forced to become home mechanics and most can repair their rig on the side of the road....or maybe it is because they are aware of their vehicles short comings and attend to them before they become a problem.
Me, I choose Land Rover....because they have character, have been reliable for me and are easy to fix with a few basic tools...excluding the new wizz bang, electronic everything, plastic fantastic new models Ford are releasing....
Maybe I am being a little harsh chaps, I suppose it is becausein the last 38 years of repairing LandRovers in a proffesional capacity,I got to repeatedly see the worst side of them ,whereas my experience with other brands has been mostly anecdotal. However, i still know a well designed gearbox, diff and axle when I see one and LandRover have been very consistent at producing vehicles that have been inadequate in those areas. with the exception of the Lt95 and the Salisbury as fitted to the 85 110.
But it is good to know that there are some people whose LandRover experience has been a positive one. Are there any more out there? Bill.
But it is good to know that there are some people whose LandRover experience has been a positive one. Are there any more out there? Bill.
The LT95 was of course LR's strongest box, however the LT85 once you provide enough lubrication to the T-case input gear is also a great box, and the late model R380 is also very good. I have seen R380's working reliably in applications where they receive much more than their design 380Nm or torque.
As far as I am aware, all the salisbury axles were well designed and built - At some point LR did some silly things with the oil seals though, causing wheel bearing problems, etc. For the "Rover" diff - if they had changed from a spiral bevel to a hypoid diff with 4 spider gears and 24 spline inner axles I think that would have solved most of the driveline strength complaints.
But I will concede any point you care to make about the Lucas electrics...
If you look around the forums there isn't any make that the owners don't complain about certain design faults and with the manufacturers had done things differently.
I'm sure lots of people would prefer if the volvo C303 axles were made full floating with disc brakes, and a reliable locking mechanism.
As far as I am aware, all the salisbury axles were well designed and built - At some point LR did some silly things with the oil seals though, causing wheel bearing problems, etc. For the "Rover" diff - if they had changed from a spiral bevel to a hypoid diff with 4 spider gears and 24 spline inner axles I think that would have solved most of the driveline strength complaints.
But I will concede any point you care to make about the Lucas electrics...
If you look around the forums there isn't any make that the owners don't complain about certain design faults and with the manufacturers had done things differently.
I'm sure lots of people would prefer if the volvo C303 axles were made full floating with disc brakes, and a reliable locking mechanism.
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RUFF wrote:Beally STFU Your becoming a real PITA.
my 110 only gets used for 4wd holidays-simpson,kimberleys,ect.
and day trips around melb-mostly low range.
the only problems were related to vehicle usage like a gunked up alternator punctured radiator (from a/c receiver)
i do love the brand and the next one will be a td5 110 (not extreme)
maybe my truck is reliable because you serviced it bill
david
and day trips around melb-mostly low range.
the only problems were related to vehicle usage like a gunked up alternator punctured radiator (from a/c receiver)
i do love the brand and the next one will be a td5 110 (not extreme)
maybe my truck is reliable because you serviced it bill
david
The Lt85 was a bit undernourished in the bearing department (curable). and the mainshaft synchro gears on the R380 are a two piece construction electron beam welded together , and I replaced 2nd gear on 4 different Defenders in 3 years, where the welding let go.
The series 3 gearbox. What can you say except they never got it right, even after 3 redesigns. Series 1 2 and 2a, slightly better but tended to fatigue and break layshafts if you drove in the hills or did a bit of towing and used 2nd gear alot.
Defenders went over to grease lubricated wheel hubs, shorter halfshaft and drive flange splines and spaced the wheel bearing closer together.
these changes ruined the good reputation that the Salisbury diff had built up since its introduction in the last of the 2a's. so much so that nobody mourned its passing upon introduction of the TD5 series.
The defender Chassis and steel body parts do rust and corrode more than previous Landy's, and more quickly than Nissotas, even in the UK. I am sure if Volvo c303's had remained in production, Disc brakes and a reliable difflock actuator would have been introduced on their series 2 version.
I wish I could find some more complimentary things to say about the Defender series, and Landrovers in general, and I am sorry if I have offended owners of these vehicles, but I am just telling it as I see it, and I would be happy to be proven wrong.
Bill.
The series 3 gearbox. What can you say except they never got it right, even after 3 redesigns. Series 1 2 and 2a, slightly better but tended to fatigue and break layshafts if you drove in the hills or did a bit of towing and used 2nd gear alot.
Defenders went over to grease lubricated wheel hubs, shorter halfshaft and drive flange splines and spaced the wheel bearing closer together.
these changes ruined the good reputation that the Salisbury diff had built up since its introduction in the last of the 2a's. so much so that nobody mourned its passing upon introduction of the TD5 series.
The defender Chassis and steel body parts do rust and corrode more than previous Landy's, and more quickly than Nissotas, even in the UK. I am sure if Volvo c303's had remained in production, Disc brakes and a reliable difflock actuator would have been introduced on their series 2 version.
I wish I could find some more complimentary things to say about the Defender series, and Landrovers in general, and I am sorry if I have offended owners of these vehicles, but I am just telling it as I see it, and I would be happy to be proven wrong.
Bill.
I cant see why people always bag the lucas electrics! I own a 71' 2a with a 100% original ignition system and it will start 1st time everytime no matter the weather with no choke or need to pump the accelertor before starting.
I've hosed the motor and it will start, I've forded rivers and it hasnt died on me yet. Im always hearing tales of woa but im yet to expeirence an ignition related prob
I've hosed the motor and it will start, I've forded rivers and it hasnt died on me yet. Im always hearing tales of woa but im yet to expeirence an ignition related prob
I've had a good run (touch wood) from my 90 - V8, LT85 combo.
IMHO all trucks have their weak points, and most have fairly one-eyed fans - a guy in a 'cruiser I know nearly wrecked it rather than let a landy tow him (he did have a sticker of a little boy pissing on a landrover logo on the side of his cruiser though)
I'm still not sure if I'd take a TD5 into the bush though, that computer don't look to user serviceable. Mate of mine got the computer wet (his barn flooded) to 8 weeks to get a new brain for it. How do people waterproof those things?
IMHO all trucks have their weak points, and most have fairly one-eyed fans - a guy in a 'cruiser I know nearly wrecked it rather than let a landy tow him (he did have a sticker of a little boy pissing on a landrover logo on the side of his cruiser though)
I'm still not sure if I'd take a TD5 into the bush though, that computer don't look to user serviceable. Mate of mine got the computer wet (his barn flooded) to 8 weeks to get a new brain for it. How do people waterproof those things?
ct
Was speaking to an ex Army chap recently, he was involved with the testing by the Army in the early 90's for a replacement for their existing Land Rovers. This was called Project Piranti.
The testing consisted of vehicles from each selected manufacturer accompanied by 2 reps from each company and Army support crews. The test were conducted over several months in the outback and each vehicle was given heaps.
The impressions this chap gave was the Cruisers were too uncomfortable and broke spring mounting points on the chassis. Nissan were not even worth mentioning, Mercedes were very good but too complicated to repair in the bush, it was mainly back to base repairs for them.
The Land Rover 110 won out because of it's overall ruggedness and ease with which it could be repaired on site.
Although the Army 110 is now a much modified vehicle compared to it's civilian counterpart.
A mine on the West Coast of Tas, Renison Bell had similar experiences with 4wd's for use underground. Cruisers would rust out and break the chassis within 6 months. Defenders were tried and found to last 3 years, at the end of this period the chassis looked as if it had been blasted with a shogun from rust. The rust was caused by the various ore bodies.
Alan Howard
The testing consisted of vehicles from each selected manufacturer accompanied by 2 reps from each company and Army support crews. The test were conducted over several months in the outback and each vehicle was given heaps.
The impressions this chap gave was the Cruisers were too uncomfortable and broke spring mounting points on the chassis. Nissan were not even worth mentioning, Mercedes were very good but too complicated to repair in the bush, it was mainly back to base repairs for them.
The Land Rover 110 won out because of it's overall ruggedness and ease with which it could be repaired on site.
Although the Army 110 is now a much modified vehicle compared to it's civilian counterpart.
A mine on the West Coast of Tas, Renison Bell had similar experiences with 4wd's for use underground. Cruisers would rust out and break the chassis within 6 months. Defenders were tried and found to last 3 years, at the end of this period the chassis looked as if it had been blasted with a shogun from rust. The rust was caused by the various ore bodies.
Alan Howard
If the Defender series were built to the same spec as the Aus army Parenti Landrovers, i wouldn't have a problem with them. The parenti's are basically 1985 110 Isuzu with a Galvanised Chassis. The Defender in any of its guises would not have got the nod because of the inherent faults I have already mentioned. The defender came perilousely close to losing the coveted British army contract because of many mechanical and structural failures during evaluation testing, and it was only granted to them after a public and political outcry over not supporting British industry.
Rover still had to make many modifications to satisfy even the fairly lax British army standards for reliability.
Brendo, apart from Ignition, series 2a Landys didn't have too much else in the way of electrics. That is why I like mine, less to go wrong.
Bill.
Rover still had to make many modifications to satisfy even the fairly lax British army standards for reliability.
Brendo, apart from Ignition, series 2a Landys didn't have too much else in the way of electrics. That is why I like mine, less to go wrong.
Bill.
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