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Mick, sussed out bending my arms once before. many say yes doit many say no dont doit. i cant see a problem with doing it strength wise and im going to doit sometime down the track. i think id still put the double cardin in anyway. Tomb raider, that does look like the scorpion kit is it?
Drew.
Drew.
MOVE OVER, HERE COMES ROVER!!!
Yes a fair bit of it is Equipe4x4 (who Scorpion copy) from France. 
You'll notice I didnt buy the shocks or springs, preferring to use remote canister shocks and springs custom made to my spec.
The main reason for the purchase of these parts is more testing than anything else. Although the rear arms look to be very well made.
But this will remain to be seen.
It more an ongoing developement and testing phase with the Defender. Plus the re-aligned rear arms are legal and I'm trying for maximum go whilst remaining totally legal... I'm looking at making an engineered set of front arms as opposed to realigning the factory ones this will ensure insurance remains intact as opposed to messing with the factory cheesey metal arms. 
In relation to the front towers, rear shock mounts and bump stops, based on my measurements the small amount of uptravel lost will be negligable (less than 1") compared to the 3-4" of extra down travel gained with my spring and shock combo.
I wont know how well it performs till I test it... Might be a waste of time but at least I'm going to try it.
Cheers
Mike
You'll notice I didnt buy the shocks or springs, preferring to use remote canister shocks and springs custom made to my spec.
The main reason for the purchase of these parts is more testing than anything else. Although the rear arms look to be very well made.
But this will remain to be seen.
It more an ongoing developement and testing phase with the Defender. Plus the re-aligned rear arms are legal and I'm trying for maximum go whilst remaining totally legal... I'm looking at making an engineered set of front arms as opposed to realigning the factory ones
this will ensure insurance remains intact as opposed to messing with the factory cheesey metal arms.
In relation to the front towers, rear shock mounts and bump stops, based on my measurements the small amount of uptravel lost will be negligable (less than 1") compared to the 3-4" of extra down travel gained with my spring and shock combo.
I wont know how well it performs till I test it... Might be a waste of time but at least I'm going to try it.
Cheers
Mike
Landrovers... Nothing else comes close!
landy_man wrote:yep......
all show no go
My truck aint show! Show goes.........
And she's *legal*
there in lies the difference to a lot of modified offroaders out there
Maybe a decent post explaining peoples reasoning behind the bagging of the kit would be more beneficial to the list
The Ibex at last years Outback certainly did well running the Equipe 4x4 gear and that was all go! No show!
Ask my fellow club members! I'll point my Defender (nearly 
) anywhere!
Cheers
Mike
Landrovers... Nothing else comes close!
Ah... My apologies, mis-read it 
BTW, my POS aint a POS
Its been one of the best vehicles I ever owned, including dead reliable...
Yes Scorpion is very overpriced, but having seen some in action some is very clever too... Although Scorpion dont design it, Its all from a co called Equipe4x4...
That Ibex was awesome to see flexing away and I'm maintaining a "must be legal" stance on my modifications .
Basically its to allow the springs to dislocate a little and relocate on flex...
Especially seeing as the springs are beginning to unseat as it is
Currently I have in the works some long travel Remote canister shocks being designed to give even more flex and dont want to go for springs with 4 or 5 really soft (and therefore usually bound) coils. This places the possiibility of coil bind to close for comfort.
I'll keep everyone posted on the results .....
And if I can find a way to improve on the stuff I sure will.
Cheers
Mike
BTW, my POS aint a POS
Its been one of the best vehicles I ever owned, including dead reliable...
Yes Scorpion is very overpriced, but having seen some in action some is very clever too... Although Scorpion dont design it, Its all from a co called Equipe4x4...
That Ibex was awesome to see flexing away and I'm maintaining a "must be legal" stance on my modifications .
Basically its to allow the springs to dislocate a little and relocate on flex...
Especially seeing as the springs are beginning to unseat as it is
Currently I have in the works some long travel Remote canister shocks being designed to give even more flex and dont want to go for springs with 4 or 5 really soft (and therefore usually bound) coils. This places the possiibility of coil bind to close for comfort.
I'll keep everyone posted on the results .....
And if I can find a way to improve on the stuff I sure will.
Cheers
Mike
Landrovers... Nothing else comes close!
[rant on]
ever priced locally made gear, cheezy, snake, rangie spares, amv, greame cooper.
as well as guys like hsv rangie, sam strangerover, ranuki
legal/shmegal none of the scorpion gear meets adr's, it would need to be individually engineered like all custom/aftermarket peices.
not many people in the uk or france drive all the type of terrain we do constantly in australia.
i know they have an advantage in that a whole kit can be purchased but i prefer to make it myself or buy locally, especially when the gear is better quality.
[rant off]
david
ever priced locally made gear, cheezy, snake, rangie spares, amv, greame cooper.
as well as guys like hsv rangie, sam strangerover, ranuki
legal/shmegal none of the scorpion gear meets adr's, it would need to be individually engineered like all custom/aftermarket peices.
not many people in the uk or france drive all the type of terrain we do constantly in australia.
i know they have an advantage in that a whole kit can be purchased but i prefer to make it myself or buy locally, especially when the gear is better quality.
[rant off]
david
modman wrote:i prefer to make it myself or buy locally, especially when the gear is better quality.
david
I agree, I'm not arguing the point on that....
But how do you *know* how it performs unless you try it???
Thats what I'm trying to find out
Once I know how it performs I can look at other changes/modifications or upgrades to improve the performance of the vehicle
As for retained springs and controlled body roll the springs retained at both ends are a great idea. I'm just trying them to see how it goes!!!!
And RTA here says that all Scorp/Equipe stuff is ADR compliant and has
pre-approved it all. (Helps to know an RTA engineer too
)
And as for legal / smegal
well I believe it can be done, and shows a more thorough apporach to engineering a vehicle.
I want my insurance to be valid at all times, I dont want to be busted during a road-side blitz...
Anyone can throw something together and bolt it on... Making it legal is another challenge in itself. This is my goal
Cheers Mike
Landrovers... Nothing else comes close!
legal smegal, if your springs can become untrapped/loose then that is illegal. this is a blanket rule that arose because of springs falling/flying out. does not matter if they are retained bottom.
a real insurance investigator would have a field day with dislocation cones.
of course we get away with these things every day because of the inept insurance employees. but a point is a point.
having been involved with engineering all types of vehicles i reckon i can spot illegalities that will never be picked up.
i only speak up when someone says totally legal. things can even change when you cross a state border.
but i like the way you are chasing down these mods to check out their benefits. i guess i am lucky in having access to lots of engineering equipment or friends in the trade.
most guys start modifying a s111 or 40 series, but your at the top starting with new 110. more power to you
let us know how these mods go.
david
a real insurance investigator would have a field day with dislocation cones.
of course we get away with these things every day because of the inept insurance employees. but a point is a point.
having been involved with engineering all types of vehicles i reckon i can spot illegalities that will never be picked up.
i only speak up when someone says totally legal. things can even change when you cross a state border.
but i like the way you are chasing down these mods to check out their benefits. i guess i am lucky in having access to lots of engineering equipment or friends in the trade.
most guys start modifying a s111 or 40 series, but your at the top starting with new 110. more power to you
let us know how these mods go.
david
Team Raider wrote:
And RTA here says that all Scorp/Equipe stuff is ADR compliant and has
pre-approved it all. (Helps to know an RTA engineer too
And as for legal / smegal
I want my insurance to be valid at all times, I dont want to be busted during a road-side blitz...
Anyone can throw something together and bolt it on... Making it legal is another challenge in itself. This is my goal
Cheers Mike
I bought a Scorpion evo kit for my 90, replaced my OME/rangie spares/koni combo and it has worked out very well - plus I have got it legal! (certification plate attached to the bulkhead and confirmation from the insurer that everything is covered!)
Dunno why people don't like the Scorpion stuff, it's seems pretty well built and it actually works quite well. Having thrashed it a few times now I'm pretty happy with it and haven't had any problems. But unless people have actually used a product themselves I figure their opinion is just that - opinion not facts. People like bagging Safarigard, scorpion etc but don't seem to have any of that kit themselves...
Undoubtably building your own stuff is best though, as long as you post pics!
ct
Just measured my 110. Center of wheel to wheel arc lip 600mm front, 610mm rear. Kings Springs 480mm free length springs front, OME 981's with 50mm spacer rear. Bilstein 7100 12" travel short body remote canister front w Disco II towers, same Bilstein but 14" rear w custom mount. I'm really pleased with the damping.
Some tweaks still required; front dislocation cones, adjustable rose jointed Panhard to re-center front axle, and rear sway bar to force front to flex earlier and improve road manners. And yes, install Sam's holy bushes as replacement for shot drilled ones.
Currently rides on Michelin XZL 9.00x16's.
Some tweaks still required; front dislocation cones, adjustable rose jointed Panhard to re-center front axle, and rear sway bar to force front to flex earlier and improve road manners. And yes, install Sam's holy bushes as replacement for shot drilled ones.
Currently rides on Michelin XZL 9.00x16's.
Rangerover 4.6 HSE '96
Still stockish, but with plans
Defender 110 CSW Td5 '01
Full exo cage, all MDE axles, on 9.00x16 Michelins
Still stockish, but with plans
Defender 110 CSW Td5 '01
Full exo cage, all MDE axles, on 9.00x16 Michelins
lowbox, you probably are right about people bagging out $afari guard and scrap iron racing . (only joking)
i guess i see locally made gear and to me it seems stronger and cheaper.
i am impressed with michael's front arms(hsv rangie), they just make sense because it realigns the chassis bush and steering geometry with minimal cost if any. sure you can redrill swivel housings but what about the chassis bush?
but we probably end up with similar results anyway so let the driving begin
go the modded rovers (even if they have toy,datto,chev,holden,ford,isuzustuff in em')
david
i guess i see locally made gear and to me it seems stronger and cheaper.
i am impressed with michael's front arms(hsv rangie), they just make sense because it realigns the chassis bush and steering geometry with minimal cost if any. sure you can redrill swivel housings but what about the chassis bush?
but we probably end up with similar results anyway so let the driving begin
go the modded rovers (even if they have toy,datto,chev,holden,ford,isuzustuff in em')
david
A poser shot from past Sat. I ran out of ramp before I ran out of suspension travel. About 4" left at the bumpstops. Enough traction to move the ramp if tried to go further.
http://www.konkretevent.com/albums/SLRK_aktivitet_p-a_TCE_5_och_6_juni/Dscn7199.jpg
http://www.konkretevent.com/albums/SLRK_aktivitet_p-a_TCE_5_och_6_juni/Dscn7199.jpg
Rangerover 4.6 HSE '96
Still stockish, but with plans
Defender 110 CSW Td5 '01
Full exo cage, all MDE axles, on 9.00x16 Michelins
Still stockish, but with plans
Defender 110 CSW Td5 '01
Full exo cage, all MDE axles, on 9.00x16 Michelins
Good question. I only use the ramp for reference, I haven't bothered to calculate RTI. My guess is 20 degrees, though. But there is more flex in the truck, just maxed out the ramp.
I'm planning for a roll bar in the rear, cones up front and an adjustable panhard rod to re-center the front axle. But even without these mods, I find the truck very driveable, and the Bilstein 7100's cancel out most of the scary rolls.
I'm planning for a roll bar in the rear, cones up front and an adjustable panhard rod to re-center the front axle. But even without these mods, I find the truck very driveable, and the Bilstein 7100's cancel out most of the scary rolls.
Rangerover 4.6 HSE '96
Still stockish, but with plans
Defender 110 CSW Td5 '01
Full exo cage, all MDE axles, on 9.00x16 Michelins
Still stockish, but with plans
Defender 110 CSW Td5 '01
Full exo cage, all MDE axles, on 9.00x16 Michelins
I got them used, but with hardly any loss of thread, from Vass in the UK.
GBP 65 per tyre, plus an arm and a leg in shipping.
It seems they mostly get smaller dimensions, but they had a set of five when I mailed them.
GBP 65 per tyre, plus an arm and a leg in shipping.
It seems they mostly get smaller dimensions, but they had a set of five when I mailed them.
Rangerover 4.6 HSE '96
Still stockish, but with plans
Defender 110 CSW Td5 '01
Full exo cage, all MDE axles, on 9.00x16 Michelins
Still stockish, but with plans
Defender 110 CSW Td5 '01
Full exo cage, all MDE axles, on 9.00x16 Michelins
wilsby wrote:Yes, they are marked both 9.00x16 and 255/100R16.
I must admit I am rather jealous!! I wish I could easily get my hands on a set of those. My friend has the old style 900x16s and I have been impressed with them, these look even better in all respects.
Adam
1964 Land Rover 88", modifications in progress
1964 Land Rover 88", modifications in progress
Thanks Drew yeah there 34x10.5x15 dont no if they rub havent been able to flex it up yet due to brake lines but they do rub on the radius arms will adjust my steering stops on the weekend and get the brakelines done next week.Hows your rig coming along.
Cheers Kev
Cheers Kev
"Why do the British drink their beer at room temperature? Because Lucas builds their refrigerators."
im going to get a set of those very soon! hope they dont rub to much. Are those disco rims? How do you find the JT's on road?
my trucks still comming along. just fiited a 100L fridge freezer where the middle seats used to be brillant for keeping the drinks cold when 4wding. also got a new roof rack, solar panels and a BIG ( 100 Kg ) battery for the rear. after fitting this all up thye rear is sitting a little lower now but the she rides better then a limo on the road with the extra weight. going to suss out some new rear springs from rangie spares to lift the rear back up again. apart from that just trying to find time to get to realy use it! good to see more defender pics on this thread!
Drew
hope they dont rub to much. Are those disco rims? How do you find the JT's on road?
my trucks still comming along. just fiited a 100L fridge freezer where the middle seats used to be brillant for keeping the drinks cold when 4wding. also got a new roof rack, solar panels and a BIG ( 100 Kg ) battery for the rear. after fitting this all up thye rear is sitting a little lower now but the she rides better then a limo on the road with the extra weight. going to suss out some new rear springs from rangie spares to lift the rear back up again. apart from that just trying to find time to get to realy use it! good to see more defender pics on this thread!
Drew
MOVE OVER, HERE COMES ROVER!!!
Drew the rims are just some old 15x7 sunraysias that were on my rangie.
The JT's are pretty freakin noisy(just turn the radio up)but they havent affected the handling of the truck.I will be running a set of 235 85 on the road.One thing i must say it takes a bit to get the thing up and moving but you get that i guess.Did you get your rear trailing arms made up yet if so can you please give me some contact details and a price.
Cheers Kev
The JT's are pretty freakin noisy(just turn the radio up)but they havent affected the handling of the truck.I will be running a set of 235 85 on the road.One thing i must say it takes a bit to get the thing up and moving but you get that i guess.Did you get your rear trailing arms made up yet if so can you please give me some contact details and a price.
Cheers Kev
"Why do the British drink their beer at room temperature? Because Lucas builds their refrigerators."
Havent got the trailing arms yet. superior engineering in brisbane ( makers of those drop shackels ) said that they would make them up one weekend for me using 5010 steel i think. he priced me aprox 250 bucks for both of them he told me they would be bullet proof. this was like 6 months ago. he was mking shock tower spaces as well but i havent herd back from him. i rang him a few times to see how he was going but never herd back. 
i know he was realy busy working on some other trucks. maybe ill go and see him sometime soon about them again. On the other hand i might just strengthen the ones ive got with a bit of angle on there underside.
Drew.
i know he was realy busy working on some other trucks. maybe ill go and see him sometime soon about them again. On the other hand i might just strengthen the ones ive got with a bit of angle on there underside.
Drew.
MOVE OVER, HERE COMES ROVER!!!
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