Light-Weight Zooks?

[Drewfus]

Hey Tim, got a simple challenge/request for you....

Can you grab a tape measure, and pm me the overall (or individual) lengths of the tube. I can then easily figure out the mass of the exo.

Ultimately this info is usless, (kinda like this debate I suppose), but just for entertainments sake........

PM if you want me to explain what measurements I mean.

[DeWsE]

who cares about 30-40kg when you've got hilux axels

Yes to turn those huge 33's

sad thing is my daily driver would out wheel your trail rig

Funny thing is I've seen plenty of pic,s of big steve adventuring through deep muddy ruts and giving his rig a "real" working through. All I've ever seen of your rig is the build up and posing on a couple of rocks. And with that exo of yours I would expect that you would push it to the limit, but no still haven't seen it on its roof!!!!

So far I think BIGSTEVE is winning

[droopypete]

This is going to end in tears
and my dick is bigger than all of you softies put together
Peter.

[DeWsE]

Pity your missus didn't say that last night!
Well thats what greg said to me anyway

[Guy]

This is going to end in tears
and my dick is bigger than all of you softies put together
Peter.

Yes ever since he had the "horse member" transplant after that somewhat unfortunate incident (A long and sordid story which I am currently dedicating a photo journal to) he has been pretty big... unfortunately for poor old droopypete (you now know why he is called droopypete) has never had the chance to use it... Normally passes out due to blood loss

[redzook]

who cares about 30-40kg when you've got hilux axels

Yes to turn those huge 33's

sad thing is my daily driver would out wheel your trail rig

Funny thing is I've seen plenty of pic,s of big steve adventuring through deep muddy ruts and giving his rig a "real" working through. All I've ever seen of your rig is the build up and posing on a couple of rocks. And with that exo of yours I would expect that you would push it to the limit, but no still haven't seen it on its roof!!!!

So far I think BIGSTEVE is winning

hows you rig?

in all seriousness have a look in the trips and tracks section thats where pics of trips are posted
deep muddy ruts ROFL woohoo i try to steer clear of that shit put ya foot down an hope ya come out the other side takes to much skill
steve isnt workin his rig very hard if he hasnt broke anything with 34's on zuk diffs (actually i dont even think his front diff is locked HARDCORE )

Tim

[DeWsE]

Well my rig is a POS, but what else can you expect from a stocky with mudders. But I can garantee it is driven to the limit!

As for your rig I haven't lokked at the trips that much so I'll accept i'm not really "qualified to pass judgement" But without greg here who else will.

As for skill I think it's skills enough to run 34" swampers on twiddle sticks and not brake anything. Don't bother saying he doesn't drive hard coz i'll just mention greg on 34's with more power then you and double locked, grimbo more power 5'12 r&p been running them for years.

Not a personal attack Tim coz I think your rig is mint and I think if I had the cash something like yours would be great. I'm just having fun

[redzook]

As for skill I think it's skills enough to run 34" swampers on twiddle sticks and not brake anything. Don't bother saying he doesn't drive hard coz i'll just mention greg on 34's with more power then you and double locked, grimbo more power 5'12 r&p been running them for years.

grimbo's been runnin the setup for years lol
so what bout 4 trips grimbo i didnt think grimbo had 5.12's? thought they were like 4.1's? buts yes i know his first gear is lower then mine

[antt]

two totally different things between mud and rock, take my junk for example

have broken 2 cv's, with the front tyres straight, not doing anything overly hard....ON THE ROCKS

haven't broken anything, with wheels fully turned, uphill, 6 grand on the tacho, poping the clutch.....ON A MUDDY HILL

moral of the story.....play in the mud, zuk stuff will probably survive, play on the rocks, zuk stuff wont

[droopypete]

Pity your missus didn't say that last night!
Well thats what greg said to me anyway

Well that explains the rash
Peter.

[droopypete]

Well my rig is a POS, but what else can you expect from a stocky with mudders. But I can garantee it is driven to the limit!

As for your rig I haven't lokked at the trips that much so I'll accept i'm not really "qualified to pass judgement" But without greg here who else will.

As for skill I think it's skills enough to run 34" swampers on twiddle sticks and not brake anything. Don't bother saying he doesn't drive hard coz i'll just mention greg on 34's with more power then you and double locked, grimbo more power 5'12 r&p been running them for years.

Not a personal attack Tim coz I think your rig is mint and I think if I had the cash something like yours would be great. I'm just having fun

His car has been off the road for years
come to think of it, he has been getting his roadworthy for years
Peter.

[DeWsE]

Pity your missus didn't say that last night!
Well thats what greg said to me anyway

Well that explains the rash
Peter.

I'd be looking out for crabs as well!!! Remember according to that sun screen song shaving your nuts won't rid you of them.......Or is that from experience

Greg you filthy little boy stop touching all the girls!

[droopypete]

Pity your missus didn't say that last night!
Well thats what greg said to me anyway

Well that explains the rash
Peter.

I'd be looking out for crabs as well!!! Remember according to that sun screen song shaving your nuts won't rid you of them.......Or is that from experience

Greg you filthy little boy stop touching all the girls!

No, but as "chowder boy" says "it makes your johnson look bigger"
(and I need all the help I can get )
Peter.

[moose]

is the sky blue or purple ???

[grimbo]

As for skill I think it's skills enough to run 34" swampers on twiddle sticks and not brake anything. Don't bother saying he doesn't drive hard coz i'll just mention greg on 34's with more power then you and double locked, grimbo more power 5'12 r&p been running them for years.

grimbo's been runnin the setup for years lol
so what bout 4 trips grimbo i didnt think grimbo had 5.12's? thought they were like 4.1's? buts yes i know his first gear is lower then mine

I have 4.1s but as Tim said a lower first gear. As to the terrain well that is what we have, there are rocks amongst it but more in the form of ledges etc. Long steep, rutted climbs also put alot of stress on components. But I have said all along that our terrain allows us to use low gearing, lockers and 34s on stock stuff with less likelihood of damage than if we were driving on a high traction surfaces

[SAWZALL]

Note: using weight wisely is probably a better approach.......

The power to weight issues are one of the zookies best attributes (when compared to other 4wd's). Obviously there are area's where you can skimp, and similarly, areas where you shouldn't, so using your ideas constructively can lead to notable differences.

But, in the bigger picture, there are some 'less' understood principles.

For example.............

1. We know that appropriate gearing will make or break a vehicles '4wd' ability.

2. Vehicle dynamics & stability.......which leads me to.....

3. Centre of Gravity

The centre of gravity is a simple concept (although complex in it's relationship affects) which affects everything about a vehicle, and is a generally treated with little consideration by the 'regular' auto user.

From towing, to acceleration, to braking, even simple things like packing stuff in places can make a notable difference.

In an effort to stop rambling, a simple example.

Big Steve

More to the point some simple difference between his old, and his 'new' rigs.

whilst not really much of a weight difference (i think you would be supprised as the the simple realities...) the extra mass of the h/top, and more to the point, the fact that the 'extra' mass is up high, affected the position of the coG significantly.

Similary, I think it would be quite notable if you 'added' weight down low (ie big heavy tyres, Hilux or similar diffs etc) to Steves current setup.

Sure there is a 'unsprung weight' issue, but considering that most 4wd (rocks and climbing, as opposed to touring) is low speed, this kinda negates this issue.

Remember the thread about 'height vs width' etc think about it for a bit and you might see what I mean...

One last thing to consider before I turn the computer off for the day, bare with me if you can, imagine Redzook and his progression to the Zook diffs etc etc.
His gearing is great, and probably reduces the issues of 'extra weight', his stability (cross-slope) is greatly improved by the extra width of the diffs, as well as the extra weight down low........
Imagine, how good he would 'have it', if he could reduce a bit of that mass up high........(eg, make it a soft top as opposed to the h/top, loose all the heavy glass, and 'trim' some of that plumbers rack......... :D )

That would make for a tough and stable zook.

Appoligies for the wramble.

Nice find huh

I wish i could fit this whole post in my sig

Well said, DREWFUS

Oh and to settle the argument. Hardtop = 51kgs, EXO = 67kgs

Full cage = 42kgs

[Drewfus]

has been a while since I said that........even though I still stand behind every last detail....

Cheers,

Drewfus