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Should 4WD'ers require a special licence?
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Yes....because if it's done right, all those 4' women driving huge 4x4's around Double Bay simply because hubbie can afford to get them a status symbol - should fail....and that gets them OUT of vehicles they shouldnt be bloody well driving anyway....
DRS smells like a cat-food milkshake... and wet socks... and gorgonzola cheese... all whizzed up in a blender
then maybe they'll stop making those "softroaders" ...with no market and your beloved cruisers will go back to live axel !!!!!! .....
Why? Teach the pricks to wear bigger pants so you cant see their balls from the back, and not to ride in packs of 3000 taking up the whole ***** road.. if they are going to take 3 of 4 lanes, then they can pay ***** rego and have a license.
I agree make them pay rego......
Why? Teach the pricks to wear bigger pants so you cant see their balls from the back, and not to ride in packs of 3000 taking up the whole ***** road.. if they are going to take 3 of 4 lanes, then they can pay ***** rego and have a license.
I agree make them pay rego......
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throw the flack !!!
I voted yes to ON ROAD !!
reasoning behind it ....
get all the soccer moms & new Aussies , who have a 4x4 , for no reason
the 1,s who f@rk it for all real 4x4 owners !!
they wont wanna fork out x-tra $$$ , so they wont get A 4x4 !!
BUT , all depends on wat ya get & how much ya gotta fork over !!!
but also ,(being illogicll(sp?) why arent there different licences to drive a ..
ute..
station wagon..
delivery style vans.. ( ya Hiace,s , Transits , Merc Sprinters)
towing .. (6x4 , car trailers , box trailers)
turbo cars..
luxury ..
they all handle differently , brake differently , SO ????
to drive trucks ( over 4.5 tonne) ya need a licence
{theres a stoopid law there !! ya can drive a 4.49 tonne truck , but they wont to bag a 2 tonne 4x4 !!!
}
same 4 forklifts etc .......
where does it stop ???
Squik , does the NSW zook club have anything to do with the 4x4 track at oran park ??
if so , next time there , GO SMACK IAN LUFF IN THE F@RKIN HEAD !!!
I voted yes to ON ROAD !!
reasoning behind it ....
get all the soccer moms & new Aussies , who have a 4x4 , for no reason
the 1,s who f@rk it for all real 4x4 owners !!
they wont wanna fork out x-tra $$$ , so they wont get A 4x4 !!
BUT , all depends on wat ya get & how much ya gotta fork over !!!
but also ,(being illogicll(sp?) why arent there different licences to drive a ..
ute..
station wagon..
delivery style vans.. ( ya Hiace,s , Transits , Merc Sprinters)
towing .. (6x4 , car trailers , box trailers)
turbo cars..
luxury ..
they all handle differently , brake differently , SO ????
to drive trucks ( over 4.5 tonne) ya need a licence
{theres a stoopid law there !! ya can drive a 4.49 tonne truck , but they wont to bag a 2 tonne 4x4 !!!
}
same 4 forklifts etc .......
where does it stop ???
Squik , does the NSW zook club have anything to do with the 4x4 track at oran park ??
if so , next time there , GO SMACK IAN LUFF IN THE F@RKIN HEAD !!!
MissForbyNoob wrote:
and one day i'll just become a worthless housewife.
and one day i'll just become a worthless housewife.
I voted yes but I reckon it'll never happen.
If they do go ahead and test everyone that drives a 4bee they need to test basic off road ability and what to take so those of us with all the knowledge and gear dont spend hours recovering someone that has no clues!!!!
I know we've all got horor stories about the bloke that was sold the 4WD and the salesman said that it'll go anywhere, so off goes said bloke with wife and kids, a few sandwiches and a melway and low and behold they not only get lost, they get stuck as well. The sooner we keep these dickheads outa the bush, the better.
If they do go ahead and test everyone that drives a 4bee they need to test basic off road ability and what to take so those of us with all the knowledge and gear dont spend hours recovering someone that has no clues!!!!
I know we've all got horor stories about the bloke that was sold the 4WD and the salesman said that it'll go anywhere, so off goes said bloke with wife and kids, a few sandwiches and a melway and low and behold they not only get lost, they get stuck as well. The sooner we keep these dickheads outa the bush, the better.
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MYTTUF wrote:I voted yes but I reckon it'll never happen.
If they do go ahead and test everyone that drives a 4bee they need to test basic off road ability and what to take so those of us with all the knowledge and gear dont spend hours recovering someone that has no clues!!!!
I know we've all got horor stories about the bloke that was sold the 4WD and the salesman said that it'll go anywhere, so off goes said bloke with wife and kids, a few sandwiches and a melway and low and behold they not only get lost, they get stuck as well. The sooner we keep these dickheads outa the bush, the better.
What do these people hurt .. seriously ?? Plus I reckon that if these people are really that dumb .. what is the likleyhood tha they will relaise they need a "special" licence to go 4x4ing ??
I reckon I could count on one hand the nuber of people on this board that had driver training before heading into the bush for the first time ..
The ones that scare the fark outa me are the ones sititng 10cm from the back doors at 110Kph when they have no idea how to pull their 2+ tonne juggernaught up .. or how to handle it in an emergancy .. That does not only apply to 4x4's I am talking about the women sitting so close to the steering wheel that she could not swerve if she had to (we've all see those) or the 5 foot tall farkers in commadores that are sitting in the back seat with just their fingertips able to reach the bottom of the steering wheel..
We have no more or less entitlement to the bush than anyone else.. we do have an entitlemnt to feel somewhat safe on our roads and that others using them will be somewhat careful and skilled in roadcraft.
" If governments are involved in the covering up the knowledge of aliens, Then they are doing a much better job of it than they do of everything else "
There are a few essential pieces of stuff that needs to be carried on even the easiest trip to the bush. Most of us take it for granted and always have a snatch'm strap,ect... in the car all the time BUT the people I'm talking about THINK that someone will come and get them when they get stuck. Off course they will after someone reports them missing as they prolly wont have phone reception to call for help and if they stay out in the bush too long they may die.
The point I'm making is that they only need to be told of the hazzards they may face once they venture off road and by lisencing (testing) them that may make them get the bits they need to stay safe. The bush is for all of us I agree but some common f#%king sence needs to prevail before anyone heads out bush and this may be one way to get a point across.
4WD experience is something you learn from doing it, you cant just buy it but I'm sure weve all learnt the hard way how "not to" do things and maybee if we were told when we got a lisence some basic principles some mistakes would not have happened.
A basic one is that you should never travel alone. Some of us do but we are the more experienced ones with all the knowledge and equipment and know where were going and have radios that keep us in contact and enough food and spsres to cope if things do go wrong. I dont know how many times I've seen mum, dad & the kids in a shiney new 4WD as it came off the showroom floor out either lost or stuck. One day it may turn out with grim results as no-one might turn up to rescue them and then we'll have more bad press if someone dies.
Maybe some of the people on this board were rescued on their first trip to the bush??
A little bit of education is good for us all as we never stop learning.
The point I'm making is that they only need to be told of the hazzards they may face once they venture off road and by lisencing (testing) them that may make them get the bits they need to stay safe. The bush is for all of us I agree but some common f#%king sence needs to prevail before anyone heads out bush and this may be one way to get a point across.
4WD experience is something you learn from doing it, you cant just buy it but I'm sure weve all learnt the hard way how "not to" do things and maybee if we were told when we got a lisence some basic principles some mistakes would not have happened.
A basic one is that you should never travel alone. Some of us do but we are the more experienced ones with all the knowledge and equipment and know where were going and have radios that keep us in contact and enough food and spsres to cope if things do go wrong. I dont know how many times I've seen mum, dad & the kids in a shiney new 4WD as it came off the showroom floor out either lost or stuck. One day it may turn out with grim results as no-one might turn up to rescue them and then we'll have more bad press if someone dies.
Maybe some of the people on this board were rescued on their first trip to the bush??
A little bit of education is good for us all as we never stop learning.
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for ONROAD def. driver training.
with a 4wd license, you have just killed off tourism....
Telling someone from FooFoo land, or Europeans, that they not only have to pay arrival and departure tax, squillion $ on insurance, then they have to dish out $1000 on a 4wd license and training, and be fucked if they will come here. It would turn me off hiring a Britz camper troopy and heading round the place.
Telling someone from FooFoo land, or Europeans, that they not only have to pay arrival and departure tax, squillion $ on insurance, then they have to dish out $1000 on a 4wd license and training, and be fucked if they will come here. It would turn me off hiring a Britz camper troopy and heading round the place.
bogged wrote:with a 4wd license, you have just killed off tourism....
Telling someone from FooFoo land, or Europeans, that they not only have to pay arrival and departure tax, squillion $ on insurance, then they have to dish out $1000 on a 4wd license and training, and be ***** if they will come here. It would turn me off hiring a Britz camper troopy and heading round the place.
Good point,, didnt think of it @ that view ...
Brings me to the quesiton. How do we educate the drivers on the saftety on driving four wheel drives offroad?
A booklet in the glovebox.. they prolly wont read it at all. Pretty impossible situation.
I do agree on one thing. Driver eduction is needed. But how to implement it is the question.
TOM
whats all this about 4x4 liscence's ! doesn't matter if its 4x4 or 2wd front wheel drive rear wheel drive 60/40 split etc, there are wankers and idiots on and off the road , if someone is so bad in a 4x4 my guess would be they'll be just as bad in a standard car , i say NO as there's to much bs to fill in and do as it is , and bad drivers are bad drivers , take for example one of the easiest rules "keep left unless overtaking" how bloody hard is that ? but there is always some idiot sitting in the right hand lane going slightly under the speed limit side by side another slow going car , the other day this happened as this bmw came upbehind it flashing its lights beeping its horn etc went on for about 2km until the aragant prick turned off , funny thing was it was also the same turn the DOCTOR was turning at to get to the hospital !
about needing training to go out in the bush , don't you think its about time we became accountable as individuals , if said sales man says "i'll go anywere " use your own common sense , were all told speed kills but how many of us has never speed ?
i bought my first 4x4 to take on fire trails i used to take the family wagon on for camping , just for the added clearance , why should i have to get a liscense and do a course because i might get out and lock the hubs in ? i have since got into 4x4's a fairbit more and what i have learnt via books videos and experience was soley because i wanted to , no point teaching people how to 4x4 if they arent interrested , they'll get there licence and forget the lot .
if we wanna go down this road it would be easier to say what we shouldn't have licences for , as for every thing you do be it own a dog cat , want to have children , etc people want to get you to have a licence .
were over populated , half the world is starving we need to stop trying to save everybody
about needing training to go out in the bush , don't you think its about time we became accountable as individuals , if said sales man says "i'll go anywere " use your own common sense , were all told speed kills but how many of us has never speed ?
i bought my first 4x4 to take on fire trails i used to take the family wagon on for camping , just for the added clearance , why should i have to get a liscense and do a course because i might get out and lock the hubs in ? i have since got into 4x4's a fairbit more and what i have learnt via books videos and experience was soley because i wanted to , no point teaching people how to 4x4 if they arent interrested , they'll get there licence and forget the lot .
if we wanna go down this road it would be easier to say what we shouldn't have licences for , as for every thing you do be it own a dog cat , want to have children , etc people want to get you to have a licence .
were over populated , half the world is starving we need to stop trying to save everybody
I think there should be a special licence for TV presenters. Also a special permit for TV producers.
These permits will allow producers to hype up any subject that comes to mind - like driving instuctors who need an income boost and have the ability to point out the obvious. Women who drive Patrols on the bitumen have no idea how to react on a defensive driving track - without previous training. Same can be said about the P plater.
If this was a real test then those poor people would have the advantage of doing a training course first - then doing the test track!
This report is full of holes. Then just to cap it off, our friend Mr Scrubby gets his head on the TV to get his single minded opinion across the morning after.
Get real here. If this was a real problem then all drivers of F100's, F250's, Chevy's, GMC's, ad nausem, need and should have a special licence to drive a "heavier" vehicle?????????
This is not simply a 4WD thing - it's a political statment by the major media enterprises - simply put. They keep banging on about the same thing time and time again. Maybe we need to be looking at their motivations instead of looking at the 4WD industry.
We don't need special licences, user pays or anything else. We need a balanced media here.
Nothing more....
These permits will allow producers to hype up any subject that comes to mind - like driving instuctors who need an income boost and have the ability to point out the obvious. Women who drive Patrols on the bitumen have no idea how to react on a defensive driving track - without previous training. Same can be said about the P plater.
If this was a real test then those poor people would have the advantage of doing a training course first - then doing the test track!
This report is full of holes. Then just to cap it off, our friend Mr Scrubby gets his head on the TV to get his single minded opinion across the morning after.
Get real here. If this was a real problem then all drivers of F100's, F250's, Chevy's, GMC's, ad nausem, need and should have a special licence to drive a "heavier" vehicle?????????
This is not simply a 4WD thing - it's a political statment by the major media enterprises - simply put. They keep banging on about the same thing time and time again. Maybe we need to be looking at their motivations instead of looking at the 4WD industry.
We don't need special licences, user pays or anything else. We need a balanced media here.
Nothing more....
Non-funded retiree.
I think there should be a special licence for TV presenters. Also a special permit for TV producers.
These permits will allow producers to hype up any subject that comes to mind - like driving instuctors who need an income boost and have the ability to point out the obvious. Women who drive Patrols on the bitumen have no idea how to react on a defensive driving track - without previous training. Same can be said about the P plater.
If this was a real test then those poor people would have the advantage of doing a training course first - then doing the test track!
This report is full of holes. Then just to cap it off, our friend Mr Scrubby gets his head on the TV to get his single minded opinion across the morning after.
Get real here. If this was a real problem then all drivers of F100's, F250's, Chevy's, GMC's, ad nausem, need and should have a special licence to drive a "heavier" vehicle?????????
This is not simply a 4WD thing - it's a political statment by the major media enterprises - simply put. They keep banging on about the same thing time and time again. Maybe we need to be looking at their motivations instead of looking at the 4WD industry.
We don't need special licences, user pays or anything else. We need a balanced media here.
Nothing more....
These permits will allow producers to hype up any subject that comes to mind - like driving instuctors who need an income boost and have the ability to point out the obvious. Women who drive Patrols on the bitumen have no idea how to react on a defensive driving track - without previous training. Same can be said about the P plater.
If this was a real test then those poor people would have the advantage of doing a training course first - then doing the test track!
This report is full of holes. Then just to cap it off, our friend Mr Scrubby gets his head on the TV to get his single minded opinion across the morning after.
Get real here. If this was a real problem then all drivers of F100's, F250's, Chevy's, GMC's, ad nausem, need and should have a special licence to drive a "heavier" vehicle?????????
This is not simply a 4WD thing - it's a political statment by the major media enterprises - simply put. They keep banging on about the same thing time and time again. Maybe we need to be looking at their motivations instead of looking at the 4WD industry.
We don't need special licences, user pays or anything else. We need a balanced media here.
Nothing more....
Non-funded retiree.
I used to be sh!tty with soccer mum 4wd drivers to the point of several accounts of abuse in car parks on account of their arrogance/lack of consideration/skill in the situation. Maybe last year I would have agreed to a category below medium rigid but above commodore for licencing. Now I think it's an idea worth considering, but would lean towards more practical based licence testing. For my motorbike licence I had to be able to negotiate emergency swerves, emergency braking and be able to actually handle the bike as well as ride around a set course. Unfortunately our current testing allows for a fairly random test. As long as you can negotiate the circumstances that appear on the road the day you choose to book your test you pass, and you can drive unassisted in any circumstance in vehicles harder to handle than the one you passed in.
That's the problem, the cars you pass your test in and the circumstances you pass in are not nearly strict enough. Forget special licences for 4wd's for the moment, lets first get a road test plus a defensive style driving test mandatory for ANY vehicle licence.
Oh, and automatic licences should not exist. My girlfriend can drive an automatic just fine, but I'd hate to see her driving in traffic by herself.
That's the problem, the cars you pass your test in and the circumstances you pass in are not nearly strict enough. Forget special licences for 4wd's for the moment, lets first get a road test plus a defensive style driving test mandatory for ANY vehicle licence.
Oh, and automatic licences should not exist. My girlfriend can drive an automatic just fine, but I'd hate to see her driving in traffic by herself.
And since losing my licence in january i have had plenty of people giving me lifts (thanks hugh) i have come across many young drivers who have scared the SH1T out of me. I have an 18 year old female house mate who took over my middy in return for being my chauffer and proceeded to drive it like you wouldn't believe. Her mum drives a feroza i later find out, but she assures me she is experienced in 4wd's. I explain my car may be a little different to what she is used to but that doesn't stop her from frequent close calls from which she is still shaking when she gets home. (she isn't driving it anymore by the way). I think with a defensive driving course she would be fine.
What do you think about driving instructors teaching people in GQ's and 80 series cruisers?? Or even station wagons rather than hatches?? something a little harder to handle, reverse, park and pull up?
What do you think about driving instructors teaching people in GQ's and 80 series cruisers?? Or even station wagons rather than hatches?? something a little harder to handle, reverse, park and pull up?
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OzJeeper wrote: Women who drive Patrols on the bitumen have no idea how to react on a defensive driving track - without previous training.
Is this true?????????
I could say the same about males out there too!!!
This topic is a general statement about all drivers, I would watch who you try and single out.
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bogged wrote:with a 4wd license, you have just killed off tourism....
Telling someone from FooFoo land, or Europeans, that they not only have to pay arrival and departure tax, squillion $ on insurance, then they have to dish out $1000 on a 4wd license and training, and be ***** if they will come here. It would turn me off hiring a Britz camper troopy and heading round the place.
All tourism?...big call. Cant they just get a Hiace? I think there are other reasons for coming to Australia.
There were some Euros who died in the Kimberley because their troopy got stuck in sand. The police found the car abandoned, let the tires down and drove it straight out. I'm sure their families wished they had paid "$1000" extra for some training and a license.
If a licensing system deters or prevents Soccer Mums and Stockbrokers from buying 4WDs it's a good thing.
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2car wrote:[
There were some Euros who died in the Kimberley because their troopy got stuck in sand. The police found the car abandoned, let the tires down and drove it straight out. I'm sure their families wished they had paid "$1000" extra for some training and a license.
I now there was an incident like that on the road into the big lake near lake Eyre .. or did someone else kick the bucket in a similar needless manner ..
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ok... how about this for a proposal,
all licence tests must include different situations, progressivly tested over the space of a few weeks, (or even months), fawk it, a whole year
1st up, basic driving in an econobox,
then step up to a larger car, more traffic (commo or falc, in the city for instance)
highway test (merging, overtaking etc)
then adverse weather conditions (harder to book, maybe simulated)
then stationwagon/ softroader/ larger car again
powerful car (say standard V8 commo or something)
then 4x4 onroad test (no soft roader), maybe some offroad theory ???
Then towing test
then defensive driving training...
Maybe winter driving stuff (pisses me off the amount of people that almost ice skate up my ass up Mt Hotham)
I know diff brands of cars eg. Falcon V8 and a commo V8 will handle differently, but they'll have a small idea of the problems/ differences associated with each car type
You book in with the driving schools at 17, have fortnightly (weekly?) lessons, moving up the stages, with an assessor present for each stage ONCE you/ your teacher feels you are ready. only once you show profficiency in the previous stage can you move up a class. Then all licenced drivers will be equally qualified, so your mrs can drive the 4x4 home when your pissed. All drivers then have had training, and at least a minimum of one year (plus whatever mum and dad allow) supervised driving practice before the P's. and people will have an idea how to handle a car, not just steer and watch the speedo.
i know some will say what a waste for those that just drive an econobox in the city, but additional driver training won't hurt.
cost can be subsidised from the savings the GOV will make from lower road toll/ injuries, AND can also be subsidised from speed camera ca$h. If the GOV were serious about the road toll, not just after speed camera dollars, then it would consider these propositions listed above.
oh yeah
NO auto licence test
at least a physical checkup, eyesight test every 5 years (maybe quick 30 minute practical test too, to pick up bad habits)
And how about as part of the "engineering" requirements for car mods is that you have to pass certain swerve/ brake/ traffic driving tests in your own modified car. have a modified allowance on the licence. then relax the mod laws, as both the car and the driver need to be up to speed.
all licence tests must include different situations, progressivly tested over the space of a few weeks, (or even months), fawk it, a whole year
1st up, basic driving in an econobox,
then step up to a larger car, more traffic (commo or falc, in the city for instance)
highway test (merging, overtaking etc)
then adverse weather conditions (harder to book, maybe simulated)
then stationwagon/ softroader/ larger car again
powerful car (say standard V8 commo or something)
then 4x4 onroad test (no soft roader), maybe some offroad theory ???
Then towing test
then defensive driving training...
Maybe winter driving stuff (pisses me off the amount of people that almost ice skate up my ass up Mt Hotham)
I know diff brands of cars eg. Falcon V8 and a commo V8 will handle differently, but they'll have a small idea of the problems/ differences associated with each car type
You book in with the driving schools at 17, have fortnightly (weekly?) lessons, moving up the stages, with an assessor present for each stage ONCE you/ your teacher feels you are ready. only once you show profficiency in the previous stage can you move up a class. Then all licenced drivers will be equally qualified, so your mrs can drive the 4x4 home when your pissed. All drivers then have had training, and at least a minimum of one year (plus whatever mum and dad allow) supervised driving practice before the P's. and people will have an idea how to handle a car, not just steer and watch the speedo.
i know some will say what a waste for those that just drive an econobox in the city, but additional driver training won't hurt.
cost can be subsidised from the savings the GOV will make from lower road toll/ injuries, AND can also be subsidised from speed camera ca$h. If the GOV were serious about the road toll, not just after speed camera dollars, then it would consider these propositions listed above.
oh yeah
NO auto licence test
at least a physical checkup, eyesight test every 5 years (maybe quick 30 minute practical test too, to pick up bad habits)
And how about as part of the "engineering" requirements for car mods is that you have to pass certain swerve/ brake/ traffic driving tests in your own modified car. have a modified allowance on the licence. then relax the mod laws, as both the car and the driver need to be up to speed.
Spit my last breath
bogged wrote:Hoonz wrote:push bike licence is taking it a bit far ....
Why? Teach the pricks to wear bigger pants so you cant see their balls from the back, and not to ride in packs of 3000 taking up the whole ***** road.. if they are going to take 3 of 4 lanes, then they can pay ***** rego and have a license.
Hey, my shorts nearly cover my knees as it is, sorry if you can see my balls hanging free through the gap but I'm not wearing MC Hammer pants for your sake.
Why should I pay the Govco another $40 a year to register a $60 pushbike that does 20km per year?
Would you have liked to have to fork out an extra $20 again for a pushbike licence while you were at school?
Better yet to be 100% truly fair why not make it user pays, per km, 10c per km?
People who use 1000km per week should pay for them.
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Brisbane, Australia,
JK 4door Rubicon, currently 4 Sale :(
It's a Jeep thing, I don't understand........
Brisbane, Australia,
JK 4door Rubicon, currently 4 Sale :(
It's a Jeep thing, I don't understand........
how stupid is this licence wen do you then start defining it a 4wd do you start at a rav 4 but then when you think about it a wrx or forester or adventura are still technically a 4wd but then the price of 4wd's will go up as people will avoid buying them cus of the licence stuff and then cus they cant sell them they will go from $40 000 for a patrol for arguments sake to say $60 000
zukin4life wrote:how stupid is this licence wen do you then start defining it a 4wd do you start at a rav 4 but then when you think about it a wrx or forester or adventura are still technically a 4wd but then the price of 4wd's will go up as people will avoid buying them cus of the licence stuff and then cus they cant sell them they will go from $40 000 for a patrol for arguments sake to say $60 000
for new perhaps, but what about mrs shithousedriver soccer mum that just got into a nice GU, and she can't drive it no more, no soccer mums can buy it cause they don't want to have to actually learn to drive, so the market will be flooded, and enthusiests can only buy so many, so second hand prices will fall
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Rainbow Warrior wrote:Why should I pay the Govco another $40 a year to register a $60 pushbike that does 20km per year?
So with your theory, if a 4wd/car/bus/trailer doesnt 20klms per yr, we shouldnt pay rego? Also if your not doing more than 20klms per yr, you should sell the bike, and throw the Niks away.
Would you have liked to have to fork out an extra $20 again for a pushbike licence while you were at school?
Didnt need a helmet to ride a pushbike back then either, which is $40-100 extra. So why shouldnt bike riders pay for a license now? Since they use the road, u tell me why they shouldnt pay.
bogged wrote:Rainbow Warrior wrote:Why should I pay the Govco another $40 a year to register a $60 pushbike that does 20km per year?
So with your theory, if a 4wd/car/bus/trailer doesnt 20klms per yr, we shouldnt pay rego? Also if your not doing more than 20klms per yr, you should sell the bike, and throw the Niks away.Would you have liked to have to fork out an extra $20 again for a pushbike licence while you were at school?
Didnt need a helmet to ride a pushbike back then either, which is $40-100 extra. So why shouldnt bike riders pay for a license now? Since they use the road, u tell me why they shouldnt pay.
The reason why I did a lot of miles on my bike was because I couldn't afford fuel for the car whilst unemployed, but I was still paying the same rego as those doing 10000km pa on a vehicle that I couldn't drive.
And pedestrians use the road too they should also pay or keep off it.
Yeah I'm sure charging schoolkids licences & rego on bikes will avoid more traffic as Mum & Dad drive them everywhere.
And do you think the $60 spent to collect the $60 on 5000 pushbikes (most will just go to the dump straight away) will be useful to the coffers, far easier & better return just to slug motorists another $10.
We could jack it up even more and become the bikeless nation, then we could start on those cheapskate motor cycles next.
Maybe you were a yuppie cyclist but I've always made do with a pair of board shorts & singlet. Beside I happen to like an occasional ride to the markets or down along the waterfront, which is not even a road but if bikes are charged rego, the RTA should pay for all bikeways / bikelanes and install heaps more of them, we want value for our dollars.
Yeah and why don't we have rego on milage, be fair, then nobody could whinge about people wearing out your roads without paying. Why can't you suspend your rego for 2 months while you go O/S or rebuild the driveline. You could do as many km's as you like and be 100% satisfied that everyone else was paying for the ones they use and that's the import thing isn't it? "User pays" is the phrase I believe.
Why make it harder to get kids or anybody exercising? Maybe joggers on the road could pay rego too, certainly more a pain than cyclists.
Pat,
Brisbane, Australia,
JK 4door Rubicon, currently 4 Sale :(
It's a Jeep thing, I don't understand........
Brisbane, Australia,
JK 4door Rubicon, currently 4 Sale :(
It's a Jeep thing, I don't understand........
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