Discount for OL Members @ Wholesale Autos in VIC

[robbie]

Rodney @ Wholesale Automatic Transmissions (Bayswater, Victoria) is offering outerlimits members a discount on manual lockup switches, extreme valve bodies & temp guage kits..

up until the end of July 2004, Rodney is offering OL members who mention this post:

Manual Control Lock-Up Unit $195 (click here)

Extreme Valve Body for Nissan Patrol $695 (click here)

Automatic Transmission Temperature Gauge Kit $195 (click here)

Some GQ Patrols will need the extreme valve body to be fitted in order for the Manual Control Lockup Switch to operate properly.. Give Rodney a call on (03) 9762 8004 or send an email to info@automatictransmission.com.au ..

Note: This sale/special will be finished at the end of July..[/url]

[chimpboy]

I needed to know what a manual control lockup unit is, so I went to the link. Classic quote: "Designed to manually control the Lock-Up convertor in All forward gears including reverse."

Now that's a driving style I can relate to!

Not wanting to be a pita but it looks like it's a relay, a fuse, a switch, and some wire for $195?

The other two items look more interesting. Not that I've got an auto anyway.

Jason

[murcod]

Not wanting to be a pita but it looks like it's a relay, a fuse, a switch, and some wire for $195?

Yes, you're right.... must take a couple of hours to install....

I like how you have to remember to turn the switch off or else you'll stall your engine when stopping!

[bogged]

Not wanting to be a pita but it looks like it's a relay, a fuse, a switch, and some wire for $195

dude on GQ list made his own.

[Guy]

I needed to know what a manual control lockup unit is, so I went to the link. Classic quote: "Designed to manually control the Lock-Up convertor in All forward gears including reverse."

Now that's a driving style I can relate to!

Not wanting to be a pita but it looks like it's a relay, a fuse, a switch, and some wire for $195?

The other two items look more interesting. Not that I've got an auto anyway.

Jason

$15 worth of parts
$40 an hour to install (minimum 1 hour labour charge)
Knowing what to plug it into and make it all work
Pricless ..

[CRUSHU]

Not wanting to be a pita but it looks like it's a relay, a fuse, a switch, and some wire for $195?

Yes, you're right.... must take a couple of hours to install...quote]
that price is not fitted.

any chance of a cut and paste for the kit bogged, or a link?

[murcod]

If the price is $195 not fitted then I wouldn't be shopping there! They shouldn't have posted a pic of the "kit" if they're into ripping people off like that.

[Extreme_Trans]

Hi it's Rodney here from Wholesale Automatics. Well I don't think that calling me rip off is very nice considering how much effort is going into getting these sort of things to work properly. Your right it is a bunch of wires a relay and relay block etc but for one your looking at an old photo of the Landcruiser kit, not that the Nissan unit is much different just a hell of a lot longer. As for $15 dollars well I wish and if you can make them for that I will take a hundred of them right here and now because I pay a damn sight more that for them and I have to buy in bulk to get the price that I pay for them now and I designed the damn things. There not easy to figure out and it takes a lot of time to not only work out how to get them to work safely but to also re-organize the Extreme Valve Bodies to accommodate them in some models.

Your right there is a chap that did make one on the GQ list and it didn't work. There more to it than you think. I'm not in it to make a fortune because most of what I do is done because it's more of a hobby. If you don't believe me then just ask around some off the other message boards that I send hours every week trouble shooting transmission problems. I work with transmissions and it is the hardest bloody thing in any 4WD to try and make bush friendly. No other transmission shop wants to do it and why! because there's no money in it and the development hours can quickly send a company broke if it's not prepared to do a lot of it's development after hours.

As for the "All Forward Gears Including Reverse" well we all really know what I meant to say and after readying your messages I have gone back in a fixed it up so thank you for bring my typo ( More lack of concentration ) to my attention. I will also post new photos of the new " NISSAN" Lock-Up Manuel Control some time this week end.

I don't mind the feed back because I'm just another 4WD enthusiast just like you and most of my development works on feed back. I not angry as much as frustrated trying to put across the hours involved in designing, redesigning and then trying to have them built at the right price, and that's just for one 4WD as each model is completely different. If there are any Auto electricians out that want to put in a tender then please contact me. I'm more than willing to make them a lot cheaper if I can get them at the right price with warranty. Sorry guys but people were on my case to get them built and I had to go for the first tender that come in. It's not my fault I was just trying to get a full range of Automatic Transmission products out there for the 4WD fraternity and the Lock-Up Control was one that I was being hassled for because I had the valve body that needed to go with some models

Look forward to hearing from you all.
Regards
Rodney

[berazafi]

In rodneys defence (and i am in no way affiliated with him, or his company). Some relays cost upwards of $60 add to that wire relay plug connectors and the cost could come somewhere around the 100 dollar mark, its not unreasonable to put a mark up of 100% when alot of hours of RandD have gone into it..

BTW i dont even own a auto - but i do have a background in electonics

[robbie]

Not wanting to be a pita but it looks like it's a relay, a fuse, a switch, and some wire for $195

dude on GQ list made his own.

that doesnt work

[RUFF]

If the price is $195 not fitted then I wouldn't be shopping there! They shouldn't have posted a pic of the "kit" if they're into ripping people off like that.

So how much should he charge?

He obviously sells these and people will only pay what they beleive something is worth.

You prob paid 10-15 grand for your feroaza second hand. You realy think that it cost Daihatsu that much to even build it new?

You pay $150+ for a set of Rebok shoes that cost $2 to make in Aisia.

You pay $4 for a 2ltr bottle of coke that costs Amatil 20cents to make.

Its not how much things cost to make its how much people will pay for that product that sets the price of any product.

Rodney isnt ripping anyone off here. If you can make this product and make it work then good for you but there are thousands out there that would not have any idea where to start.

I wouldn't pay $4 for a bottle of Coke if i could make it myself but im not going to say Coca-cola are ripping me off.

[robbie]

great words of wisdom there tony..

maybe half of you who have posted crap here do not understand what R&D stands for..

[murcod]

Gday Rodney, no offence meant! Obviously your supplier is causing problems with the pricing.

Unless the relay is something special (which it doesn't appear to be?) then you should be able to find someone to make these a lot cheaper than you've indicated (and that would be using top quality parts.)

If I lived in Melbourne I'd be interested in making them for a second income.

[RUFF]

Rodney while we are on the subject of controlling a lock up converter. Is there any way to control the locking of a converter on a ZF auto in a rangie(86model) to stop it from locking up so early in top gear.

Mine gives me the shits. It locks up at around 80ks and wont unlock in top gear unless you go under this. So if im in top gear at 100 and want to overtake i have to pull it back to 3rd as it wont unlock in top. I usually dont need to go back to 3rd but if i dont it just wont take off.

[RUFF]

Oh yeah and dont take any notice of Bruce(Bogged) he knows everyone that made their own version of everything and they all made it cheaper.

Oh yeah and he also winges a lot. But you get used to this


Sort of

[murcod]

great words of wisdom there tony..

maybe half of you who have posted crap here do not understand what R&D stands for..

I actually worked part time for an Australian car parts manufacturer/ developer, so I have got some sort of idea of what small companies are up against. That said though, there has to be a limit on how quickly you regain the investment...... particulalry if the supplied item is worth (what appears to be) well over ten times the price of the parts without it including installation.

The bottom line is though - it's up to the individual if they think it is worth the money.

[robbie]

great words of wisdom there tony..

maybe half of you who have posted crap here do not understand what R&D stands for..

I actually worked part time for an Australian car parts manufacturer/ developer, so I have got some sort of idea of what small companies are up against. That said though, there has to be a limit on how quickly you regain the investment...... particulalry if the supplied item is worth (what appears to be) well over ten times the price of the parts without it including installation.

The bottom line is though - it's up to the individual if they think it is worth the money.

I thought it was worth it.. I have one in my car! It's also the fact that Rodneys after sales support & Customer Service is at an outstanding level..

The old saying goes, you get what you pay for

[murcod]

So how much is the final price installed Robbie?

I've got scary figures running through my head..... the last time a mechanical place quoted me an hourly rate it was over $70/hr !!

[robbie]

I did the install myself..

Rodney basically tells you how to install it, if you dont have the courage its $65 installation I think..

[CRUSHU]

the prices all seem quite fair, but it would be nice if there was a further discount if you bought all 3, say $1000 flat, or 10 or whatever needed litres of fluid, and an inline filter or something.

[robbie]

the prices all seem quite fair, but it would be nice if there was a further discount if you bought all 3, say $1000 flat, or 10 or whatever needed litres of fluid, and an inline filter or something.

have a chat to Rodney, he is a business man.. he will be willing to work something out

Note: there are no group buys, the discount applies to outerlimits members & was decided this way as group buys always fall through..

[Extreme_Trans]

Well I think that to show my good faith and my strong belief in all three items that we have for the Nissan and Toyota Autos I will do the all 3 for the extra special price of $1000 inc gst plus the postage if it redeems myself. I will make this part of the special until the end of July for all Outer Limits members. Remember to make mention of this when you contact me.

Remember that the Valve Body is change over as I need the old units back to rebuild into the Extreme Recalibrated Valve Bodies again.

And thanks for everybody for jumping in here to my defence but I have also taken all comments and suggestions into account and will promptly deal with the costing issue of the Lock-up switch as soon as I get my hands on my suppliers. ( Or new tender ) if that's what it takes to deal with this. And no I'm not about to take tenders from China like many other big companies do.

Regards
Rodney

[robbie]

To add to this, the Extreme Valve body in a GQ Patrol is an awesome mod.. I have it & I love it..

Rodney, come on MSN

[chimpboy]

As for the "All Forward Gears Including Reverse" well we all really know what I meant to say and after readying your messages I have gone back in a fixed it up so thank you for bring my typo ( More lack of concentration ) to my attention.

For what it's worth, I was just kidding about that - and I kinda like the idea of using reverse as a forward gear anyway. Sorta like a handbrake turn.

Nor was I suggesting that you're a "rip off merchant", since as I said the other stuff looks pretty cool... but just looking at it, $195 for the lock up unit still looks a bit steep to me. As Murcod said, unless that's some kind of very special relay, the parts for the unit are sub-$20 even buying them retail. In fact, unless there's a hidden feature not obvious in the pic, I would say I could make one for $15 easily, without even getting trade prices on the bits, in 20 minutes.

The real reason I would see that as a problem is that it's too easy for someone to copy, unlike the other items, if you get what I mean. It creates a negative feeling in a purchaser if it looks like they could have made it themselves for a tenth of the price (which is why it's different to a bottle of coke or a pair of Reeboks, imho... and I'll take it all back if the parts are actually more special than they look.)

But don't get me wrong, it's up to you to charge what you like!

However, this is a discussion forum, so it's probably fair for some discussion to happen, although I personally don't think it's fair calling someone a rip-off merchant when at least the pic clearly shows what you get for the money.

Anyway, welcome to the list Rodney... there's nothing like making a big entrance eh?

Jason

[bogged]

Your right there is a chap that did make one on the GQ list and it didn't work.

actually it did.. its still in his car.

[Extreme_Trans]

Anyway, welcome to the list Rodney... there's nothing like making a big entrance eh?

I can live with that!

Still you can't argue with the $1000 for all 3 but. That is an incredibly cheap deal.


Regards
Rodney

[CRUSHU]

im in!!!

[murcod]

And thanks for everybody for jumping in here to my defence but I have also taken all comments and suggestions into account and will promptly deal with the costing issue of the Lock-up switch as soon as I get my hands on my suppliers. ( Or new tender ) if that's what it takes to deal with this. And no I'm not about to take tenders from China like many other big companies do.

Rodney why don't you make them in house? A decent crimping tool is the only thing you'll need to invest in (starting price from $40 up). You've got ready made ones to copy.

All the profits are in your pocket that way and the price could substantially be reduced.

[CRUSHU]

rodney has just sent me the fitting instructions for the valve body...relatively basic, but plenty of steps.... which means plenty of opportunities to stuff it up. how much drive in and out? while under the car, yomay as well fit the temp guage adaptor and sender. thanks

[Extreme_Trans]

David I am way ahead of you and after discussions with the company I have make the Lock-Up Manual Control I am now seriously considering just doing them myself.

Because I designed it I have all the drawings so is easy for me. I just preferred to have them made by someone in the know to make sure that they were perfect but your right I tendered out a job that I should have done myself. So over the next couple of weeks when I use up all the old stock I will do them in house from then on.

The cost to Service the transmission and fit the valve body is $200 inc gst and oil, so that's not to bad if anybody wants us to fit them. I will fit the Temp sender for you while I'm under the Nissan for no cost, only takes a few minutes.

Regards
Rodney