Notice: We request that you don't just set up a new account at this time if you are a previous user.
If you used to be one of our moderators, please feel free to reach out to Chris via the facebook Outerlimits4x4 group and he will get you set back up with access should he need you.
Recovery:If you cannot access your old email address and don't remember your password, please click here to log a change of email address so you can do a password reset.

solonoid choices , (dual batteries)

For all things Electrical.

Moderator: -Scott-

Forum rules
Post Reply
Posts: 372
Joined: Mon Nov 03, 2003 10:12 pm
Location: melbourne. sth eastern subs

solonoid choices , (dual batteries)

Post by bagsy »

Ive got a 93 GQ with the efi petrol 4.2 . Now im setting up the dual batteries but am trying to decide which solonoid to use. I was planning on just running the basic one , so when the cars on its charging both ,and so on. But i ve been told i need spike protection for the efi computer , therefore should i use a smart solonoid from arb which has inbuilt protection. Any opinions would be helpful. Also im running 2 starting batteries , just for winching. thanks shane....
http://www.biders4wd.com/
http://www.autobalance.com.au/
www.4bfabrications.com.au
Top
Posts: 4760
Joined: Mon Dec 30, 2002 6:04 am
Location: Adelaide

Contact:
Contact murcod

Post by murcod »

So you're planning on running three batteries in total (the two off the starting circuit in parallel, plus another)?

What do you want to use the third for, as that can affect the options for a battery controller?
David
Top
Posts: 2492
Joined: Sun Nov 24, 2002 8:57 pm
Location: Melbourne

Post by bazzle »

ARB one works good. Wire and forget.

Bazzle
Top
Posts: 372
Joined: Mon Nov 03, 2003 10:12 pm
Location: melbourne. sth eastern subs

Post by bagsy »

sorry for the misunderstanding, but no ,I only need 2 batteries . But they are both to be cranking ones because its mainly to run the winch. Do i need surge or spike protection for my efi computer ?, otherwise i will just run a standard solonoid. shane......
http://www.biders4wd.com/
http://www.autobalance.com.au/
www.4bfabrications.com.au
Top
Posts: 593
Joined: Sat Nov 09, 2002 8:06 pm
Location: Traralgon Vic Aust.

Post by DAZZ »

Fit a diode across the energise connections on the solinoid. This will cause the magnetic field to collapse into itself disapating the spike. Just fit it the correct way.... Or use a smart solinoid.....
09 Cruiser Tray ARB Bull Bar/side bars, dual batts, 3" Superiour lift, MTZs, other stuff. More to come!!!
90 Sierra Soft top, 3" body 2" spring lift, 31" Claws, 5.14 Calmini, more to do.
Top
Posts: 4760
Joined: Mon Dec 30, 2002 6:04 am
Location: Adelaide

Contact:
Contact murcod

Post by murcod »

You could just get two batteries that are exactly the same and hook them up in parallel if you're only going to use them for starting/ winching. But if you ever want to separate them at all, eg. use the second only for winching, then you'd need a controller.

Solenoids can cause current surges (and voltage spikes) when they switch in the second battery. The diode Dazz mentioned will only stop the reverse EMF on the solenoid's energising coil- not the spike from the contacts closing/ opening.
David
Top
Posts: 16934
Joined: Sun Oct 20, 2002 6:57 pm

Re: solonoid choices , (dual batteries)

Post by RUFF »

bagsy wrote:Ive got a 93 GQ with the efi petrol 4.2 . Now im setting up the dual batteries but am trying to decide which solonoid to use. I was planning on just running the basic one , so when the cars on its charging both ,and so on. But i ve been told i need spike protection for the efi computer , therefore should i use a smart solonoid from arb which has inbuilt protection. Any opinions would be helpful. Also im running 2 starting batteries , just for winching. thanks shane....


Dont buy the ARB one. You can get a Redarc one for $119rrp from http://www.ingram.com.au/ these work well.
Top
Posts: 1513
Joined: Tue Oct 21, 2003 8:06 pm
Location: North East Melbourne

Post by ORSM45 »

buy a set of EFI jumper leads and a cheap solenoid. then you have isolation and spike protection.
Top
Posts: 4760
Joined: Mon Dec 30, 2002 6:04 am
Location: Adelaide

Contact:
Contact murcod

Post by murcod »

You can actually buy small add on modules that supposedly do the spike suppression. You just wire them between the positive battery terminal and the chassis.
David
Top
Posts: 372
Joined: Mon Nov 03, 2003 10:12 pm
Location: melbourne. sth eastern subs

Post by bagsy »

hey guys , I lashed out today and got the arb smart solonoid. 200 bucks , so now Ill be busy wiring it up on the weekend. Thanks for all the input. shane.....
http://www.biders4wd.com/
http://www.autobalance.com.au/
www.4bfabrications.com.au
Top
Posts: 1614
Joined: Fri Feb 21, 2003 8:44 pm
Location: Melbourne

Re: solonoid choices , (dual batteries)

Post by landy_man »

RUFF wrote:Dont buy the ARB one. You can get a Redarc one for $119rrp from http://www.ingram.com.au/ these work well.


:roll: so you went and bought it anyway....
not sure if the ARB "smart' solenoid will handle the amps you intend pulling through it while winching....
Top
Posts: 372
Joined: Mon Nov 03, 2003 10:12 pm
Location: melbourne. sth eastern subs

Post by bagsy »

systems all in and works a treat. Very happy so far and very easy to install.shane....
http://www.biders4wd.com/
http://www.autobalance.com.au/
www.4bfabrications.com.au
Top
Posts: 16934
Joined: Sun Oct 20, 2002 6:57 pm

Post by RUFF »

How much did you end up paying for the ARB one?
Top
Posts: 4760
Joined: Mon Dec 30, 2002 6:04 am
Location: Adelaide

Contact:
Contact murcod

Post by murcod »

bagsy wrote:hey guys , I lashed out today and got the arb smart solonoid. 200 bucks , so now Ill be busy wiring it up on the weekend. Thanks for all the input. shane.....
David
Top
Posts: 19062
Joined: Sat Oct 25, 2003 11:39 pm
Location: In a horse near you

Post by chimpboy »

Did you end up having to pay much more for cable and so forth?
This is not legal advice.
Top
Posts: 3
Joined: Wed Jun 09, 2004 9:31 pm

Post by shep »

FYI, the only difference between the ARB and Redarc smart solenoid (solenoid unit assembled in Mexico) is the IC control unit that hangs off the side, and yes, the price.
The ARB unit worked quite well, until it failed in Cape York (warm beer).
Will see if the Redarc goes the distance.
Top
Posts: 593
Joined: Sat Nov 09, 2002 8:06 pm
Location: Traralgon Vic Aust.

Post by DAZZ »

murcod wrote:You could just get two batteries that are exactly the same and hook them up in parallel if you're only going to use them for starting/ winching. But if you ever want to separate them at all, eg. use the second only for winching, then you'd need a controller.

Solenoids can cause current surges (and voltage spikes) when they switch in the second battery. The diode Dazz mentioned will only stop the reverse EMF on the solenoid's energising coil- not the spike from the contacts closing/ opening.


This would probably happen on all soleniods though. Like starter solenoids, winch solenoids ect. Most EFI systems are fairly spike resistant .
09 Cruiser Tray ARB Bull Bar/side bars, dual batts, 3" Superiour lift, MTZs, other stuff. More to come!!!
90 Sierra Soft top, 3" body 2" spring lift, 31" Claws, 5.14 Calmini, more to do.
Top
Posts: 25
Joined: Tue Jun 22, 2004 1:44 pm
Location: Brisbane

Post by whatever »

i went with ARB isolator as well, for winch use only. the dealer recommend ARB over prahanas due to its ability to handle higher current draw.
Top
Posts: 372
Joined: Mon Nov 03, 2003 10:12 pm
Location: melbourne. sth eastern subs

Post by bagsy »

chimpboy wrote:Did you end up having to pay much more for cable and so forth?


No ive got a mate with the crimping gear and just needed a couple of meters of cable.
http://www.biders4wd.com/
http://www.autobalance.com.au/
www.4bfabrications.com.au
Top
Posts: 3
Joined: Tue Jul 06, 2004 12:57 am
Location: Perth WA

Dual battery setup

Post by hooters »

Best value for money at the moment is a VSR (voltage senstive relay) available over the net from www.tektrek.com.au
Just around $105 with spike protection and quality build.
Top
Posts: 33
Joined: Tue Nov 02, 2004 4:55 pm

redarc vs ARB

Post by 4x4family »

What is the big diff between the ARB and the Redarc, I've read on a couple of forums the bagging of each but what is the actuall difference, from somebody that knows about them

Andrew
Top
Posts: 2765
Joined: Wed Jan 14, 2004 10:32 pm
Location: somewhere out there

Post by shorty_f0rty »

ive got a vsr.. the new ones are rated to 140Amps i think
came with cables, terminals ready to go
didnt have to fiddle with any alternator wiring either which makes installation easy
Built, not bought!
'84 BJ42 - sold! :(
'79 Coiled and turbo diesel'd FJ55
Top
Posts: 4760
Joined: Mon Dec 30, 2002 6:04 am
Location: Adelaide

Contact:
Contact murcod

Re: redarc vs ARB

Post by murcod »

4x4family wrote:What is the big diff between the ARB and the Redarc, I've read on a couple of forums the bagging of each but what is the actuall difference, from somebody that knows about them

Andrew


AFAIK they're both solenoid based with electronics controlling the switching of the solenoid contacts. Probably really not much difference between the two electrically, just the price.
David
Top
Post Reply

Return to “Auto Electrical”

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 4 guests