New Tyres

Post by **lowndsie** » Tue Jul 13, 2004 2:26 pm

Can anyone recommend a fairly cheap but agressive all terrain tyre for my fez. The wheels are unmodified and rims still standard.

Website · Post by **murcod** » Tue Jul 13, 2004 6:05 pm

What do you class as cheap and what size are you after?

There have been a couple of threads discussing A/T tyres.

Post by **Goatse.AJ** » Tue Jul 13, 2004 11:20 pm

Go Muddies.

Much better allrounder than A/T's unless you do a lot of sand.

Where are you in Sydney?

Tempe Tyres usually does the best prices for BFG's. Otherwise have a look at Cooper STT's

Post by **lowndsie** » Wed Jul 14, 2004 7:50 am

Im in sydney.

I was just going to keep the standard size tyres. I thought bout muddies but i really wanted to get a longer life out of them as well as keeping fair on road handling.

Looked at the wranglers A/T but they were nearly 300 bucks......

Post by **Kell** » Wed Jul 14, 2004 8:20 am

I'm getting Cooper ST's but they are around the $200.00 per tyre....I posted a thread in general chit chat a few weeks ago and I remember seeing another one in there also...

Website · Post by **murcod** » Wed Jul 14, 2004 8:58 am

You won't get Cooper ST's in the standard Feroza size (225/70R15), or any size that is legal without engineering. BFG M/T and A/T come in 215/75R15 which can be legally fitted.

Toyo make the Open Country A/T in 225/70R15 that will probably be one of the cheaper options. Cooper A/T is available in that size too but at over $200 ea. Yokohama Geolander A/T+II is another one available, but once again not cheap...

Post by **Muddy999** » Wed Jul 14, 2004 9:41 am

I have had two sets of Yokohama Geolanders on my Rocky. Although they are a little more expensive than others, I find that the longevity of them and also handling of the tyre is excellent. On average I get about 90,000km out of a tyre, though I regularly rotate and align my truck. The tread pattern is also more aggressive than most A/T tyres without being a mud terrain, which considering the amount of highway and also back lot driving I do here in a country area is perfect. I can only think of one occassion where they have let me down and that was where I tore the sidewall out of one with about 80,000km on it. Also I find that on road they are quieter than a set of BFG's likely because of the softer compound, they also handle REAL well on the wet bitumen. So yeah I am sold on the Yoki's.

Muddy

Post by **Kell** » Wed Jul 14, 2004 11:41 am

murcod wrote:You won't get Cooper ST's in the standard Feroza size (225/70R15), or any size that is legal without engineering. BFG M/T and A/T come in 215/75R15 which can be legally fitted.

Toyo make the Open Country A/T in 225/70R15 that will probably be one of the cheaper options. Cooper A/T is available in that size too but at over $200 ea. Yokohama Geolander A/T+II is another one available, but once again not cheap...

Cooper ST's come in 235/75/15 which is what i have on the car now which is what i am replacing them with

Website · Post by **murcod** » Wed Jul 14, 2004 11:49 am

Kell wrote:
murcod wrote:You won't get Cooper ST's in the standard Feroza size (225/70R15), or any size that is legal without engineering. BFG M/T and A/T come in 215/75R15 which can be legally fitted.

Toyo make the Open Country A/T in 225/70R15 that will probably be one of the cheaper options. Cooper A/T is available in that size too but at over $200 ea. Yokohama Geolander A/T+II is another one available, but once again not cheap...

Cooper ST's come in 235/75/15 which is what i have on the car now which is what i am replacing them with

Kell, check your tyre placard in the glovebox and you'll find the largest size listed is the 225/70R15. By law the max diameter increase allowed without engineering approval is only 15mm- 235/75R15 is around 36mm larger IIRC.

Post by **MJHsurfin** » Wed Jul 14, 2004 7:26 pm

Kell, also remember that it is illegal to tape TV programs on your VCR, & don't even think about downloading pirate mp3's or using unlicenced software......
Also I don't ever want to catch you crossing the road if the green "walk" light isn't on......that's illegal ;-)

Go ahead & keep the 235's - they are the best "all round" tyre size for the Feroza in my illegal opinion....;-)

Later - Mike H.

Post by **MJHsurfin** » Wed Jul 14, 2004 7:30 pm

Muddy999 wrote:I have had two sets of Yokohama Geolanders on my Rocky. Although they are a little more expensive than others, I find that the longevity of them and also handling of the tyre is excellent. On average I get about 90,000km out of a tyre, though I regularly rotate and align my truck. The tread pattern is also more aggressive than most A/T tyres without being a mud terrain, which considering the amount of highway and also back lot driving I do here in a country area is perfect. I can only think of one occassion where they have let me down and that was where I tore the sidewall out of one with about 80,000km on it. Also I find that on road they are quieter than a set of BFG's likely because of the softer compound, they also handle REAL well on the wet bitumen. So yeah I am sold on the Yoki's.

Muddy

That's a pretty good wrap for the Yokkies then - I've seen Muddy drive & for ANY tyre to last that long on his truck they must be tough as nails ( or wombats :finger:

)

Just jokes Heath ole mate......good to see you round - haven't checked in for a while here & look who pops up

Later - Mike H.

Post by **Spartacus** » Wed Jul 14, 2004 7:32 pm

ive gotsome sort of retread on me rocky.
they got small blocks but their fairly spaced apart.

cant tell ya a brand name they still have goodyear R/T on em.

could try super sport radials? but im just throwin out names here.

Lucas :evilbat:

Website · Post by **murcod** » Wed Jul 14, 2004 8:03 pm

MJHsurfin wrote:Kell, also remember that it is illegal to tape TV programs on your VCR,

Actually I think you'll find that isn't illegal! Unless you want to sell it or air it in public.

Once again, heaven forbid people should know that some of these things are illegal before they spend big $$$ on tyres only to get defected or void their insurance! Best to just encourage them without the truth being known- hey Mike? :roll:

Post by **Croz** » Wed Jul 14, 2004 8:11 pm

murcod wrote:
MJHsurfin wrote:Kell, also remember that it is illegal to tape TV programs on your VCR,
Best to just encourage them without the truth being known- hey Mike?

Wow, Murcod finally cottoned on!!

Website · Post by **murcod** » Wed Jul 14, 2004 8:56 pm

Croz wrote:
murcod wrote:
MJHsurfin wrote:Kell, also remember that it is illegal to tape TV programs on your VCR,
Best to just encourage them without the truth being known- hey Mike?

Wow, Murcod finally cottoned on!!

Post by **MJHsurfin** » Wed Jul 14, 2004 8:58 pm

murcod wrote:
MJHsurfin wrote:Kell, also remember that it is illegal to tape TV programs on your VCR,

Actually I think you'll find that isn't illegal! Unless you want to sell it or air it in public.

Once again, heaven forbid people should know that some of these things are illegal before they spend big $$$ on tyres only to get defected or void their insurance! Best to just encourage them without the truth being known- hey Mike?

I am pretty sure we are all well aware about the legallities of tyres by now

Look, practically ANY modification you do to a 4wd can be deemed illegal - got a rampod or K&N Filter ?? - illegal as it no longer complies with the manufacturers original specs for noise or emmisions. Same goes for Exhausts - do you think that new Rice Burner exhaust you have fitted now passes emmissions or drive by noise dB tests. How's that non-complianced towbar going David ?? hope you never have an accident involving your trailer - even it isn't your fault by some d%#khead running into you from behind. Hope none of you ever tow anything heavier than 750kg with your Feroza - yep, illegal again. Won't even get started with Longer Shackles, Bodylifts, Suspension Lifts, Headlight Globes upgrades ( yep, those higher wattage headlight globes are illegal )
But reallistically, we all sum up which risks we decide are acceptable to us, & which aren't. We all roll the dice & take our chances to some degree......
Are you going to be defected or sent to jail because of any of these mods ?? Highly unlikely - but no guarrantees.
Tyres aren't THAT hard to get engineered if you really want to try.....in Sydney there are a number of places that can arrange it - Queensland wouldn't be much harder ( & less of a hassle again as they don't even have annual inspections !! ) How hard did you really try David ??......I mean if Besty can rumble around the countryside in his beast then 235/75's shouldn't be that much of a hassle

Is it really up to us to warn everybody about the legallities of every mod there is ?? Should anybody even listen to you, me or anyone else on this list without checking it out from someone who really knows ?? Ring the major 4wd Modifiers & Engineers in your area who create some of the weapon 4wds out there & find out how they do it & how much it costs.

Sorry about the sermon.....I'm just starting to get really tired with the "don't do that - that's not allowed" way this country is headed.....whatever happened to a bit of fun :cry:

That's it for me on this subject.

Later - Mike H.

Website · Post by **murcod** » Wed Jul 14, 2004 9:27 pm

Settle Mike!

I wasn't saying don't do it, just trying to provide the info about the legalities. Jason can make up his own mind on what he wants to do then.

My exhaust isn't illegal, you should check up on some rules before making claims like that. The emissions do not change from fitting extractors and larger piping- unless you do something stupid like leave the oxy sensor out. Yes, open pod filters are illegal; but not likely to cause an increased risk of being involed in an accident like larger tyres could from reduced braking effectiveness and a higher centre of gravity.

Besty lives in a different state to me. Tyres are not that easy to get engineered here in SA- I did go through all the correct channels and consulted an engineer. The expense wasn't worth it (we're talking about drive by noise testing, slalom test, brake efficiency test, and emission tests to get approval here in SA).

But you're right, we should only provide illegal advice on here and not tell the truth and let the vehicle's owner make an informed decision. :roll:

Who knows, the way things are going you might get your arse sued one day for knowingly giving illegal advice! Then I'll be doing this: :finger:

Post by **built4thrashing** » Wed Jul 14, 2004 9:31 pm

i had some american mud tyre Bronko i think and they were awsome and only cost me $130each. they were 215/75R15. really agressive

Post by **MJHsurfin** » Wed Jul 14, 2004 10:17 pm

----- Damn, why did I say "that was it for me" ?? - I should've known David would wind me up

My exhaust isn't illegal, you should check up on some rules before making claims like that.

-----which rules are you refering to. Have you got a full report from the person that fitted your exhaust that it is fully compliant with all ADRs including full testing with drive by dB noise testing ?? Most manufacturers struggle to get the stock exhaust passed - if yours is noticably louder at all - then it WON'T pass. Have a talk to Peter Luxon from Safari / APS about how hard it is to get a truly ADR legal exhaust !!

The emissions do not change from fitting extractors and larger piping- unless you do something stupid like leave the oxy sensor out.

-----YES THEY WILL - if you are in any way affecting the flow / output / ECU / exhaust / intake / fuel curves etc from manufacturers original specs then the emmisions will be affected. From every service I had done by my local mechanic he did a check of exhaust gases - with the Extractor & Exhaust my Feroza ONLY it FAILED the ADR's for CO emmisions - it only got better once I fitted the Unichip & the fuel curves could be adjusted to suit.

but not likely to cause an increased risk of being involed in an accident like larger tyres could from reduced braking effectiveness and a higher centre of gravity.

------ a tyre that creates a 13mm higher COG ( 1/2 of the 26mm increase in diameter ) is MORE likely to cause an accident than a legal 50mm suspension lift with a 50mm higher COG ?? I could argue that the increase in available rubber on the road would make it SAFER in some situations....

Besty lives in a different state to me. Tyres are not that easy to get engineered here in SA- I did go through all the correct channels and consulted an engineer. The expense wasn't worth it (we're talking about drive by noise testing, slalom test, brake efficiency test, and emission tests to get approval here in SA)

------ yep - you got the standard response from an engineer who wanted nothing to do with you !!

Are there NO 4wd Specialists in SA who have Engineers who do work for them ??

Who knows, the way things are going you might get your arse sued one day for knowingly giving illegal advice! Then I'll be doing this: :finger:

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Exactly the Kill Joy attitude which I was referring to........

But then again, let 'em sue - they can get in line behind every other bastard I owe money too

David, I don't mean to have a go or anything ( well, maybe a little bit

) but I just find it a bit hypocritical for you to be so "legally perfect" about tyres, but when it comes to other mods the legallities are forgotten.....

Anyway - gotta run, have to finish fitting my illegal 2" Bodylift & fit my illegal 33" Goodyear MTR's to my Surf - which will be Engineered & Insured by the way.

Later - Mike H.

Post by ***BESTY*** » Thu Jul 15, 2004 3:23 am

I see my name is being 'bandied' around the place...so.......here's my 2c worth !!!

As from the other threads that Murcod has replied to, we the readers should be fully aware of his 'stance' towards modifications.

As we all know, this website is for people to have their say about what is good, bad, legal and illegal, and as Mike says, 99% of any modification done to a vehicle that changes it from the manufacturers specifications is "ILLEGAL".................BUT....................

This forum is for people to discuss what they have tried, their personal results from products...etc.

YES, I get disillusioned reading the same thing from Murcod too, but he is trying to make this point of legality............personally.........I don't give a flying farck about the 'legality of things, when I know that if anything is possible, to get an Engineers approval for it !!!

PLEASE PEOPLE can we get back on to the topics of the threads and always keep in the back of minds that everything we do to our 4WD is going to be illegal.....................who cares !!

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Post by **Kell** » Thu Jul 15, 2004 8:07 am

Well I personally think the no name overlander all terrains that I have on my car now are just the bees knees

Website · Post by **murcod** » Thu Jul 15, 2004 8:51 am

Did someone say get back onto the thread topic? Jason asked for advice on aggressive A/T tyres in the standard size- where do all the oversize tyres fit into that!? :roll:

Mike, here in SA exhaust noise testing is carried out with the vehicle stationary and the engine at a fixed rev point (3000 RPM rings a bell?) The level is measured at a set distance and angle from the exhaust tip- mine would quite happily pass this test. The noise level is also vastly different (stricter) for late model vehicles. It's only when floored and revved hard mine gets a bit loud, but it's certainly not loud compared to a lot of vehciles on the road. Regardless, it doesn't affect the safety of my vehicle.....

Did you know an emissions test was carried out on a new BA Falcon after an aftermarket company was trying to get ADR approval for mods and guess what- it failed with no mods..... But once again emissions don't affect the safety...

Did you actually have your Feroza tested with the standard exhaust system? What were the results?

Why get so upset just because I post warnings about mods being illegal? I'm not saying not to do them- just warning people who may want to keep their vehicle roadworthy (yes, there are people out there who do that sort of thing!) that they will need engineering approval to keep it all legal. It's up to them which way they choose to go- better knowing the truth than being oblivious to the facts.... If you're not interested then don't bother reading my posts.

BTW ADR's are there for a reason- to stop people doing illegal mods that make their vehicles dangerous to other road users. Think about that one.

Post by **HeathGQ** » Thu Jul 15, 2004 9:07 am

i'm staying out if this...........

OKay 1 thing....

I just sold the Feroza... with the 30 BFG muds (illegal) on 15 x 7 rims (illegal), with extractors (illegal), with a 2"sports exhaust (illegal??), without the standard front 'bash plate'(illegal), WITH A ROADWORTHY CERTIFICATE. The only thing the dude found was a crack in the windscreen, with the windscreen needing replacing, and a coulpe of oil leaks (i knew about them, but tried to hide em). Thats it... 5 years of use and abuse, 336,000 k's and thats it....

The bits are illegal, but I just got a roadworthy.... if teh insurance company dont want to pay up - sue to farker who gave a roadworthy!!!! There are ways around it....

What about suspension lifts..... QLD rules are 'whell travel not to increase by anymore than 1/3 of original bump stop distance'... do we have to prove its legal, or does it have to be proven illegal... I thought we live in a society of 'innocent until proven guilty'

I'm ranting now, sorry.... a bit fired up. Agree that the rules shoudl be known and peopel should be aware of the potential.

Okay - so back to tyres and personal preference.... on a small car such as the 'roza's, the muddies win hands down, and get 30".... that bit of lift helps.

Post by **SimplyPV** » Thu Jul 15, 2004 11:58 am

lol... this kind of shit gives me headaches and makes me glad i live in the U.S. and not over there in aussie.... thank god we can do pretty much anything to our rigs... of course we have laws regarding that as well... i personally thought some of them were pretty strick but damn.. compared to yours.... ha.. piece of cake...

brag brag brag...

pad.....

Post by **SimplyPV** » Thu Jul 15, 2004 12:00 pm

oh.. forgot to add..... i'd get the biggest sized tire you could slap on there... and these days mud tires ( a good brand atleast ) goes almost as far as an a/t and you atleast get your $$'s worth.... and no tire changes! (gets rather annoying after the first time...) if you dont like the noise.. turn up the music! there are ways around it... its what i did... hell i can STILL hear my exhaust... and its fixin to get louder... i'm currently looking into seeing if i should fit another amp under the seat with the first one and stick in another 12 to pair up the orginial one i got in there.... its true! louder is better! :roll:

Post by **Muddy999** » Thu Jul 15, 2004 4:01 pm

Shall I wade in on a professional level? Nahhh. Let the kids sling sand in the sandpit.

One thing though, anyone who takes the word of someone on this forum as 'expert' testament is a fool. Unless they have a certificate hanging from the wall and are willing to put it on paper and a certificate...then take it ALL with a grain of salt. C'mon people, aren't we all adults here?

Mike - G'day mate...what don't you reply to emails anymore? LOL. Drop me a PM huh? I am keen to do a trip.

Heath.

Post by ***BESTY*** » Thu Jul 15, 2004 4:16 pm

I believe everything I read in Newspapers and hear on the broadcast news

I also believe in Santa and the Tooth Fairy

So why shouldn't I believe everything I read in this Forum

Post by **HeathGQ** » Thu Jul 15, 2004 4:56 pm

Muddy999 wrote:Shall I wade in on a professional level? Nahhh. Let the kids sling sand in the sandpit.

Heath.

It was fun - its all fun and games until someone loses an eye.

Website · Post by **murcod** » Thu Jul 15, 2004 7:15 pm

Muddy999 wrote:Shall I wade in on a professional level? Nahhh. Let the kids sling sand in the sandpit.

Go on get it off your chest. :lol:

Post by **flynn** » Thu Jul 15, 2004 8:14 pm

i think there are some goodyear mtr's that might fit a feroza.
ask mull...i think he calls himself spartacus...u'll find him in the diahatsu area he owns a rocky and he's got like 27's that pretty agressive and also 31's which are kings or something. tell him i sent ya he'll probably laugh but he should be able to help coz i think that beasts worn a few tyres in its life.

flynn

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