I'm pretty familiar with Simex tyres, but can anybody tell me how the Simex JT2's or ET compare to the Interco Swamper TSL in areas such as smooth and rough rock, mud, clay, bitumen, drive and lateral traction, wear, compound etc, etc, etc.
BTW Sydney based.
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Simex Vs Interco TSL
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Simex Vs Interco TSL
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Re: Simex Vs Interco TSL
Slunnie wrote:I'm pretty familiar with Simex tyres, but can anybody tell me how the Simex JT2's or ET compare to the Interco Swamper TSL in areas such as smooth and rough rock, mud, clay, bitumen, drive and lateral traction, wear, compound etc, etc, etc.
BTW Sydney based.
the swampers grip better in everything but they wear bloody fast...funnily enough the SX swampers wear much better
i did about 4000 k's up around cape york on the 38 tsl's and they went from about 80% all round to 50% front 30% rear
Brents 38 sx's did about 6000 kms [he drove back from cairns to bris on them and his went from about 90% to 70% all round
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Swampers are superior, but I have found that here in Vic, sometimes JT's (centipedes ET's) seem to hook up a bit better in the mud, but Swampers will stay on the rims @ lower pressure, are much softer in the sidewall, are available in better sizes
Who cares about road use?... but in any case, swampers are quieter.
Who cares about road use?... but in any case, swampers are quieter.
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yeh both my 38 and 36 TSL's have a slight out of round problem...never had a problem with the centipedes except for noise.
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Ok, I've tried all sorts of TSLs (radial, bias, SX and now IROKs) and have a set of 35 pedes...so I'll chime in with my point of view...(thank you very much 
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ETs massacre any NON-DIRECTIONAL TSL in the mud (of similar size) - no question about that. Its not because of company likes, tread depth, or anything else...its simply about tread DESIGN. Directional tread will always be better at clearing out mud. The IROKs prove that a small deviation from the usual TSL tread into a directional one will allow for outstanding performance. They are 6mm shallower than the ETs in the tread, and that is where the ETs still throw mud like a digger does.
Anywhere other than mud, Interco does better...however, we have had 2 x 40m Simex containers sold in Lebanon and none have needed a spare tire in 2 years of wheeling (we're the Simex importers in Lebanon). I have torn 3 TSL tires (2xradial, 1xbias, 0xSX)
Hope this is helpful.
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ETs massacre any NON-DIRECTIONAL TSL in the mud (of similar size) - no question about that. Its not because of company likes, tread depth, or anything else...its simply about tread DESIGN. Directional tread will always be better at clearing out mud. The IROKs prove that a small deviation from the usual TSL tread into a directional one will allow for outstanding performance. They are 6mm shallower than the ETs in the tread, and that is where the ETs still throw mud like a digger does.
Anywhere other than mud, Interco does better...however, we have had 2 x 40m Simex containers sold in Lebanon and none have needed a spare tire in 2 years of wheeling (we're the Simex importers in Lebanon). I have torn 3 TSL tires (2xradial, 1xbias, 0xSX)
Hope this is helpful.
LR Disco truggy:
42" Iroks, ZF, dual cases & ARBs, 30 splined, Longfielded, OMEs, Optimas, M8274-50s, Rockstomper rope & Bead-L
LR D-90 TD5 ST:
33" BFT AT, tuned, caged, 1/2 top
42" Iroks, ZF, dual cases & ARBs, 30 splined, Longfielded, OMEs, Optimas, M8274-50s, Rockstomper rope & Bead-L
LR D-90 TD5 ST:
33" BFT AT, tuned, caged, 1/2 top
DiscoDino wrote:Ok, I've tried all sorts of TSLs (radial, bias, SX and now IROKs) and have a set of 35 pedes...so I'll chime in with my point of view...(thank you very much
ETs massacre any NON-DIRECTIONAL TSL in the mud (of similar size) - no question about that. Its not because of company likes, tread depth, or anything else...its simply about tread DESIGN. Directional tread will always be better at clearing out mud. The IROKs prove that a small deviation from the usual TSL tread into a directional one will allow for outstanding performance. They are 6mm shallower than the ETs in the tread, and that is where the ETs still throw mud like a digger does.
Anywhere other than mud, Interco does better...however, we have had 2 x 40m Simex containers sold in Lebanon and none have needed a spare tire in 2 years of wheeling (we're the Simex importers in Lebanon). I have torn 3 TSL tires (2xradial, 1xbias, 0xSX)
Hope this is helpful.
So it's not like you would be biased in any way is it
Peter.
"ETs massacre any NON-DIRECTIONAL TSL in the mud (of similar size) - no question about that. " I'm sure there will be plenty who will question that. There are plenty of places here in vic where in some spots an ET will hook up better, but in others a Swamper will be superior.
Generally, I agree the an ET will through more mud and clean down better, but if you really need to do that, there's always the Bogger. For most recreational noodling around, I vote swamper, as they respond soooo much better to low pressure and can be driven far more elegantly than the stiff shouldered Simex.
Generally, I agree the an ET will through more mud and clean down better, but if you really need to do that, there's always the Bogger. For most recreational noodling around, I vote swamper, as they respond soooo much better to low pressure and can be driven far more elegantly than the stiff shouldered Simex.
[quote="greg"] some say he is a man without happy dreams, or that he sees silver linings on clouds and wonders why they are not platinum... all we know, is he's called the stevie.[/quote]
Different driving styles suit these tyres more so than other tyres. the swampers tend to work well in situations that require low speed crawling like on rocks up to high tyre revolutions in mud whilst the Simexes appear to perform brilliantly in winch challenge events where high speed and high tyre revolutions are prevalent
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I agree.
*controversy* I think that Simex's are a bit of a fad tyre *controversy*
They are an excellent "challenge" or competition tyre because they are nice and stiff so they stand up to the "aggressive" driving that these events demand. They do not seem to respond anywhere near as well as a swamper to driving elegant- and they suck in rock. This is not to say they are a "bad" tyre, just they they were designed for a particular job.
The fact that the agent here in Melbourne heavily sponsored leading comp drivers into them, and that most comp regs specify a 35-36" maximum tyre has gone a long way towards adding to their popularity.
I have been running swampers from 9X32s to Q78's since 1993, and our family got their first set in 1991. Of course, I am hopelessly biased, but I have seen lots of other tyres come and go, and everyone still asks if they are as good as a Swamper.
Like the Look of Krawler Kx's though
*controversy* I think that Simex's are a bit of a fad tyre *controversy*
They are an excellent "challenge" or competition tyre because they are nice and stiff so they stand up to the "aggressive" driving that these events demand. They do not seem to respond anywhere near as well as a swamper to driving elegant- and they suck in rock. This is not to say they are a "bad" tyre, just they they were designed for a particular job.
The fact that the agent here in Melbourne heavily sponsored leading comp drivers into them, and that most comp regs specify a 35-36" maximum tyre has gone a long way towards adding to their popularity.
I have been running swampers from 9X32s to Q78's since 1993, and our family got their first set in 1991. Of course, I am hopelessly biased, but I have seen lots of other tyres come and go, and everyone still asks if they are as good as a Swamper.
Like the Look of Krawler Kx's though
[quote="greg"] some say he is a man without happy dreams, or that he sees silver linings on clouds and wonders why they are not platinum... all we know, is he's called the stevie.[/quote]
One thing still holds true. There is no such thing as an all round tyre.
There are rock tyres, mud tyres, comp tyres etc etc you need to work out what you want them to do and select a tyre for your style of driving and your prefered terrain.
There are rock tyres, mud tyres, comp tyres etc etc you need to work out what you want them to do and select a tyre for your style of driving and your prefered terrain.
[quote="Harb"]Well I'm guessing that they didn't think everyone would carry on like a big bunch of sooky girls over it like they have........[/quote]
i was thinking the same thing Q78 vs ET2. ill probably go the 36 simex's as they suit vic driving a bit better.
alot of people are using Q78s.
if i had the money to blow id probably go a set of Maxxis crawler's 37x12.5 (these just scrape in, in the allowable tyre size for winch challenges, etc.) but they are around 200 bucks more a tyre compared to Q78s/ET2s. which will turn alot of people off.
alot of people are using Q78s.
if i had the money to blow id probably go a set of Maxxis crawler's 37x12.5 (these just scrape in, in the allowable tyre size for winch challenges, etc.) but they are around 200 bucks more a tyre compared to Q78s/ET2s. which will turn alot of people off.
If I were you, my "$-no-object-wish-tire" would be the IROKs as they weill DEFINITELY kick major ass and are 36x13.5 - right size for the comps...
I'll be running these next year IF I make it to the RFC, OBC...etc...(my inlaws are trying to force me into marriage
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I'll be running these next year IF I make it to the RFC, OBC...etc...(my inlaws are trying to force me into marriage
)LR Disco truggy:
42" Iroks, ZF, dual cases & ARBs, 30 splined, Longfielded, OMEs, Optimas, M8274-50s, Rockstomper rope & Bead-L
LR D-90 TD5 ST:
33" BFT AT, tuned, caged, 1/2 top
42" Iroks, ZF, dual cases & ARBs, 30 splined, Longfielded, OMEs, Optimas, M8274-50s, Rockstomper rope & Bead-L
LR D-90 TD5 ST:
33" BFT AT, tuned, caged, 1/2 top
It's clear that where you 4wd and what terrain you prefer dictates your tyre choice.
Down here in Vic, mud is generally the go, and Simex perform so damn well in it!
I guess if mud isn't prevalent in other states like it is here, you might prefer to go TSL's because of the varying terrain, i.e. lots of rock!
I must say, the Simex ain't the best on rock, or slow speeds as mentioned, but as there isn't much of it in Vic.
I'm more than happy with the performance of the Simex ET's.
Down here in Vic, mud is generally the go, and Simex perform so damn well in it!
I guess if mud isn't prevalent in other states like it is here, you might prefer to go TSL's because of the varying terrain, i.e. lots of rock!
I must say, the Simex ain't the best on rock, or slow speeds as mentioned, but as there isn't much of it in Vic.
I'm more than happy with the performance of the Simex ET's.
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