3L, 5L, 5l-E conversions

[jr9162]

Hello all,

I am interested in converting my 1985 (Hilux) 4x4 truck from the tired 22R to diesel. I have a 5 speed tranny.

What are the major differences in the 3L, 5L, and 5L-E besides displacement? None of these engines were imported by Toyota to the US.

Did any of them come turbocharged from the factory?

I understand the 3L shares a common block with the 2L family. Will the bellhousing of the 3L, 5L, or 5L-E bolt up to a G52, G54, or W56 tranny?

What about the motor mounts to the frame?

Will the 2L(II)-TE intake and exhaust manifold (and turbo) bolt onto the 3L, or 5L? IE, can one turbo the 3L or 5L with earlier Toyota parts?

My email is johnross@gci.net

JR

[toyrex]

Hello all,

I am interested in converting my 1985 (Hilux) 4x4 truck from the tired 22R to diesel. I have a 5 speed tranny.

What are the major differences in the 3L, 5L, and 5L-E besides displacement? None of these engines were imported by Toyota to the US.

3L IS 2.8 LITRE 5L IS 3 LITRE EXTERNALY THE SAME

Did any of them come turbocharged from the factory?

YES IN THE SURF

I understand the 3L shares a common block with the 2L family. Will the bellhousing of the 3L, 5L, or 5L-E bolt up to a G52, G54, or W56 tranny?

IF YOU ARE GOING TURBO USE THE W56 GEARBOX OR THE R150/R151

What about the motor mounts to the frame?

CHASSIS ENGINE MOUNTS LINE UP WITH THE DIESEL

Will the 2L(II)-TE intake and exhaust manifold (and turbo) bolt onto the 3L, or 5L? IE, can one turbo the 3L or 5L with earlier Toyota parts?

YES IF YOU GET A ENGINE WITH A ELECTRONIC INJECTOR PUMP REPLACE IT WITH THE MECHANICAL PUMP [NO COMPUTOR ]

My email is johnross@gci.net

JR

Adrian
www.chevtorque.com.au

[jr9162]

Q. Did any of them come turbocharged from the factory (3L, 5L, 5L-E)?

A. YES IN THE SURF

Which model engine was factory turbo'd? What year in the Surf?

IF YOU ARE GOING TURBO USE THE W56 GEARBOX OR THE R150/R151

Q. What tranny comes stock with the 3L. 5L, or 5L-E? Especially the turbo model?

CHASSIS ENGINE MOUNTS LINE UP WITH THE DIESEL

Great!

Q. Will the 2L(II)-TE intake and exhaust manifold (and turbo) bolt onto the 3L, or 5L? IE, can one turbo the 3L or 5L with earlier Toyota parts?

A. YES. IF YOU GET A ENGINE WITH A ELECTRONIC INJECTOR PUMP REPLACE IT WITH THE MECHANICAL PUMP [NO COMPUTOR ]

Interesting. Just bolt on the 2L(II)-TE parts eh? I'd presume the turbo'd version of the latter engine(s) would be the better way to go.

Are these engines readily available down under? Which is the more reliable of the three models?


Thanks Adrian,

JR

[toyrex]

Q. Did any of them come turbocharged from the factory (3L, 5L, 5L-E)?

A. YES IN THE SURF

Which model engine was factory turbo'd? What year in the Surf?

IF YOU ARE GOING TURBO USE THE W56 GEARBOX OR THE R150/R151

Q. What tranny comes stock with the 3L. 5L, or 5L-E? Especially the turbo model?
ALL TURBO ENGINES USUALY FROM 1989 HAVE THE R150 OR R151 GEARBOX 1984 TO 1988 HAVE THE W56

CHASSIS ENGINE MOUNTS LINE UP WITH THE DIESEL

Great!

Q. Will the 2L(II)-TE intake and exhaust manifold (and turbo) bolt onto the 3L, or 5L? IE, can one turbo the 3L or 5L with earlier Toyota parts?

A. YES. IF YOU GET A ENGINE WITH A ELECTRONIC INJECTOR PUMP REPLACE IT WITH THE MECHANICAL PUMP [NO COMPUTOR ]

Interesting. Just bolt on the 2L(II)-TE parts eh? I'd presume the turbo'd version of the latter engine(s) would be the better way to go.

NOT NECESSARALY THE TURBO ENGINES USUALY CRACK HEADS BETWEEN 80,000 AND 120,000 KM .IF YOU FIT A INTERCOOLER THAT HELPSBUT DOES NOT STOP THE HEADS FROM CRACKING

Are these engines readily available down under? Which is the more reliable of the three models?

THERE IS A IMPORTER ON CALIFORNIA THAT HAS THE DIESELS I FOUND THEM ON EBAY

Adrian

[jr9162]

Adrain,

You have clarified some issues for me already. The 3L, 5L, and 5L-E bellhousings fit the G52. G54, and W56 trannys. The motor mounts are the same as the 2L series and therefore will fit my 1985 4x4 Hilux frame.

It seems the way to go is stick to a non-turbo'd 5L, or 5L-E. This affords one the advantage of displacement and long engine life. I like the idea of turbo-charging - but not at the expense of craked or warped heads.

Does the 5L-E perform much better than the standard 5L?

What year and model Toyotas come with the 5L and 5L-E in Australia? Any particular bad/good years to know about? Helps to know things when I'm dealing with an importer.

I presume the 5L and 5L-E's all came with W56 gearboxes?

Do you recall the name of the importer on e-bay that brings these engines into the US?

Another topic for a second. What bolt pattern is the block on the Toyota 4V-EU and 5V-EU engines? I am curious to know what bellhousing and flywheel/clutch one uses to install a 5 speed Supra tranny (or Hilux 4x4) behind one.

Thanks,

JR

[toyrex]

You have clarified some issues for me already. The 3L, 5L, and 5L-E bellhousings fit the G52. G54, and W56 trannys. The motor mounts are the same as the 2L series and therefore will fit my 1985 4x4 Hilux frame.

It seems the way to go is stick to a non-turbo'd 5L, or 5L-E. This affords one the advantage of displacement and long engine life. I like the idea of turbo-charging - but not at the expense of craked or warped heads.

SEEING THAT YOU ARE IN ALASKA YOU MIGHT GET AWAY WITH A TURBO WHAT IS THE MAXIMUM SUMMER TEMPERATURES

Does the 5L-E perform much better than the standard 5L?

THE ''E'' DENOTES ELECTRONIC INJECTOR PUMP AND YOU MUST HAVE A COMPUTOR AS I SAID BEFORE REPLACE THE ELECTRONIC PUMP WITH A MECHANICAL PUMP

What year and model Toyotas come with the 5L and 5L-E in Australia? Any particular bad/good years to know about? Helps to know things when I'm dealing with an importer.

THE 5L WAS RELEASED IN SEPTEMBER 1997 IN AUSTRALIA

I presume the 5L and 5L-E's all came with W56 gearboxes?
W56 AND THE R150/R151

Do you recall the name of the importer on e-bay that brings these engines into the US?
I WILL HAVE TO TRY AND FIND IT FOR YOU

Another topic for a second. What bolt pattern is the block on the Toyota 4V-EU and 5V-EU engines? I am curious to know what bellhousing and flywheel/clutch one uses to install a 5 speed Supra tranny (or Hilux 4x4) behind one.
I CANT HELP YOU WITH THIS ONE

Adrian

[jr9162]

You have clarified some issues for me already. The 3L, 5L, and 5L-E bellhousings fit the G52. G54, and W56 trannys. The motor mounts are the same as the 2L series and therefore will fit my 1985 4x4 Hilux frame.

It seems the way to go is stick to a non-turbo'd 5L, or 5L-E. This affords one the advantage of displacement and long engine life. I like the idea of turbo-charging - but not at the expense of craked or warped heads.

SEEING THAT YOU ARE IN ALASKA YOU MIGHT GET AWAY WITH A TURBO WHAT IS THE MAXIMUM SUMMER TEMPERATURES

Does the 5L-E perform much better than the standard 5L?

THE ''E'' DENOTES ELECTRONIC INJECTOR PUMP AND YOU MUST HAVE A COMPUTOR AS I SAID BEFORE REPLACE THE ELECTRONIC PUMP WITH A MECHANICAL PUMP

What year and model Toyotas come with the 5L and 5L-E in Australia? Any particular bad/good years to know about? Helps to know things when I'm dealing with an importer.

THE 5L WAS RELEASED IN SEPTEMBER 1997 IN AUSTRALIA

I presume the 5L and 5L-E's all came with W56 gearboxes?
W56 AND THE R150/R151

Do you recall the name of the importer on e-bay that brings these engines into the US?
I WILL HAVE TO TRY AND FIND IT FOR YOU

Another topic for a second. What bolt pattern is the block on the Toyota 4V-EU and 5V-EU engines? I am curious to know what bellhousing and flywheel/clutch one uses to install a 5 speed Supra tranny (or Hilux 4x4) behind one.
I CANT HELP YOU WITH THIS ONE

Adrian

Well the max summer temps here typically are 65F, occassionally 70F. However this year we've had unusual weather, 85F in June, 75+F in July and early August. It's just started to rain and cool things off. We've had a lot of forest fires this year.

I've read a lot of comments from Canadians on different forums discussing the 2L-TE's tendency to crack heads. I imagine they get 85+F in the summers on the grand prarie. Seems the turbo cracks heads in the L series of engines. Maybe due to the indirect injection design...

So the 5L and 5L-E are relatively new engines (1997 forward). If I'm understanding you correctly, installing a 5L mechanical injector pump on a 5L-E basically converts it back to the 5L? You're recommending this just to get away from the computer (ECU) and it's lack of simplicity?

Any particular reason Toyota installed the W56 behind some and R150/R151 behind others? Or is it the 5L has one and the 5L-E the other models?

Do you recommend I just seek a 5L to begin with, or look for a 5L-E and convert the injector pump? If the latter route, why?

What is your impression of the Mark's conversion kit mentioned here:
http://www.marks4wd.com/hiluxt.html

Thanks,

JR

[toyrex]

The 5L and the 5LE are the same engine as I said before the "E" denotes electronic which means you have a lot more expence in having to fit a computor, speed sensor, throttle position sensor,etc etc and the list goes on
The Marks kit is OK but with the external shift like that it is like stiring a rice pudding looking for gears

Give this bloke a ring he is in Illinois and see if he still has the R151 gearbox it was advertised on ebay I looked at importing it myself but it would have owed me over $4000 delivered to Western Australia

WOW!! 1985 TOYOTA TURBO TRANSMISSION AND TRANSFER CASE. REBUILT NEW. 4.313 FIRST GEAR RATIO. $1200.00
CALL FOR DETAILS; JAY FRENCH 847-824-1805.

Adrian

[jr9162]

The 5L and the 5LE are the same engine as I said before the "E" denotes electronic which means you have a lot more expence in having to fit a computor, speed sensor, throttle position sensor,etc etc and the list goes on
The Marks kit is OK but with the external shift like that it is like stiring a rice pudding looking for gears

Give this bloke a ring he is in Illinois and see if he still has the R151 gearbox it was advertised on ebay I looked at importing it myself but it would have owed me over $4000 delivered to Western Australia

WOW!! 1985 TOYOTA TURBO TRANSMISSION AND TRANSFER CASE. REBUILT NEW. 4.313 FIRST GEAR RATIO. $1200.00
CALL FOR DETAILS; JAY FRENCH 847-824-1805.

Adrian

That R151 gearbox and Tcase is a little rich for my blood at the moment - as I have other fish to fry. Thanks for the feedback on the Marks Dyna gearbox kit.

Another item is the 1KZ-TE installed in Surfs and Hiluxes down under. I heard they came with R154 (Supra) gearboxes. If so, a bellhousing fitting the R154 will fit a R151, W56, and G52/54. I wonder what kind of Tcase Toyota put behind the 1KZ-TE and R154 combo?

Do you know if the 1KZ-TE motor mounts are the same as the earlier Toyota diesels installed in older Hiluxes?

Thanks, JR

[toyrex]

Another item is the 1KZ-TE installed in Surfs and Hiluxes down under. I heard they came with R154 (Supra) gearboxes. If so, a bellhousing fitting the R154 will fit a R151, W56, and G52/54. I wonder what kind of Tcase Toyota put behind the 1KZ-TE and R154 combo?

THEY ARE FITTED WITH R151 R150 GEARBOXES WITH CHAIN DRIVE TRANSFER CASE

Do you know if the 1KZ-TE motor mounts are the same as the earlier Toyota diesels installed in older Hiluxes?

ENGINE MOUNT POSTS HAVE TO BE CHANGED OR REPLACED
AGAIN THE "E" DENOTES ELECTRONIC FUEL PUMP AND YOU ARE BACK TO FITTING A COMPUTOR ETA

Adrian

[jr9162]

The gearset from the 2WD Dyna R452 gearbox can be fitted in the US 1986-87 turbo Hilux R151F thus giving it a super low 5.13:1 1st gear ratio. The 1986-87 R151F's in the US have a 6.5 inch long input shaft. http://board.marlincrawler.com/index.php?topic=5319.0

I'm interested in the 5L and 5L-E engines Toyota installed in the September 97 and later 4WD Hiluxes down under. I know the former 3L's came with a G52. (Maybe some also came with the W56?) Here's a link that instructs one on determining such info from the vehicle's data plates.
http://www.4x4wire.com/toyota/faq/vin/

I understand Toyota installs the R150F (and chain driven transfer case?) gearbox behind the 5L. I've also heard they use the W56, and R151F behind it. In either situation both gearboxes would require a different bellhousing because: 1) the input shaft lengths are different, 2) the bellhousing to gearbox bolt pattern is different.

I have a 1986 R151F I'm installing in my 1985 Hilux Xtra Cab. It has the short 6.5" input shaft. If the Hilux 5L comes with a R150F, I'd presume it's a model with the longer input shaft. Unfortunately, the longer input shaft assy from a later R150F will not fit in the 1986-87 R151F's. However, all may not be lost. I've determined that Toyota, Dyna, and/or Hino installed the 5L and Dyna R452 gearboxes in their heavy duty trucks. I'm trying to ascertain if these Dyna R452 gearboxes have a 6.5" input shaft. If so, then I could use the appropriate Dyna R452 bellhousing to bolt my R151F to a 5L or 5L-E.

Anybody willing to help me research this issue?

JR

[I.M.P.O.S.E]

The 5L and the 5LE are the same engine as I said before the "E" denotes electronic which means you have a lot more expence in having to fit a computor, speed sensor, throttle position sensor,etc etc and the list goes on
The Marks kit is OK but with the external shift like that it is like stiring a rice pudding looking for gears

Give this bloke a ring he is in Illinois and see if he still has the R151 gearbox it was advertised on ebay I looked at importing it myself but it would have owed me over $4000 delivered to Western Australia

WOW!! 1985 TOYOTA TURBO TRANSMISSION AND TRANSFER CASE. REBUILT NEW. 4.313 FIRST GEAR RATIO. $1200.00
CALL FOR DETAILS; JAY FRENCH 847-824-1805.

Adrian

Hey Toyrex

Is the R151 g/box and transfer that hard to find in aus to look overseas?
Sorry to butt in! Just curious!

Cheers

[toyrex]

That gearbox and geardrive transfer case combo was NEVER released in Australia and only came out for about 16 months in the US in 86/7
So yes it is that hard to find in Australia

Adrian

[I.M.P.O.S.E]

That gearbox and geardrive transfer case combo was NEVER released in Australia and only came out for about 16 months in the US in 86/7
So yes it is that hard to find in Australia

Adrian

Oh ok thanks Adrian

What did they come from to get them to here??

And what is the standard code in Bunderas and stuff?? R151F??

Cheers

Lucas

[toyrex]

What did they come from to get them to here??

And what is the standard code in Bunderas and stuff?? R151F??

Yes R151 in the Bundera with the 2LT turbo diesel
The R151 from the US came out of the Hilux with a 22RET which is a turbo charged fuel injected 22R

Adrian

[I.M.P.O.S.E]

What did they come from to get them to here??

And what is the standard code in Bunderas and stuff?? R151F??

Yes R151 in the Bundera with the 2LT turbo diesel
The R151 from the US came out of the Hilux with a 22RET which is a turbo charged fuel injected 22R

Adrian

Cool thanks for that Adrian! So its just the transfer case that makes the difference between the two and the input shaft splines.