Whats you take on this accident mates?

[DougH]

http://www.4x4wire.com/ubb/ultimatebb.p ... 9;t=009172

This was from the 4x4wire... so whats your take on this accident.

I hate to stereotype you drivers, since I am one. And I hate to stereotype women, since my girlfriend in watching me type.

But it seems like his daughter didn't know how to drive a truck, or any other vehicle in a similar situation.

My synopses: she was tooling in the fast lane, going really slow. Some one got tired of her doing so, so they went to pass on right, where she should have been in the first place. So she signals and moves over without looking well, and then realizes she is about to side swipe some one. Jerks the wheel really really hard and gets that ass end to slide out. The front wheels tip the vehicle over as they gain traction on her now sideways montero.

She should have been in the middle or right lanes to begin with. Since she wasn't it is a moot point. Instead she should have looked before she moved right and simply let the "tailgater" pass her on the right. Or she should have stop coming right and moved back into her lane in a normal fashion, instead of doing an improper and unnecessary swerve.

[Philthy]

I don't like bagging people after they have had an experience like rolling a car, & I'm glad the people are not seriously hurt, but...., (I guess this means I'm about to!)
My first thought was 'How does someone behind you, cause you to suddenly change direction?'.
I think, like you, that combination of high centre of gravity, sudden direction change, combined with lifting off the 'Go' pedal, possibly with a little help from the 'Stop' pedal, brought about a lesson in the laws of physics.
There's my 2 cents worth.

[MrGenius]

There must be somethin wrong with the car, it flipped over, better take this matter to Mitsu

[Neilj]

Yea Doug, regardless of the physics involved, it would appear that driver error was the cause of the chain reaction that resulted in the Pajero not being right way up.
It looks like Dad wants to blame the vehicle for the accident, and thats just plain wrong! A couple of tons of steel doesn't fall over of its own accord. Unless something broke, the driver is responsible for pushing said vehicle beyond its limits.
As everybody else has pointed out, the main thing here is ArisRuiz still has a wife and daughter! And any other losses he have incurred are absolutley meaningless.

Neil

[Neilj]

"he have incurred" ?????? I hate it when I do that!

[Bitsamissin]

Yes I saw that post Dougie...................
Anyway I think Swartzy nailed it with his reply.
I dunno but some people refuse to believe that they are responsible for their own actions and take lawsuits out on anything and everyone, it's starting to become like that here now. I hope the bloke doesn't go down this path.

[Tropijero]

I have problems with people automatically blaming the vehicle or whatever for their own inexperience or lack af ability.
The guys daughter has been driving 5 years. Not really long enough for her to be called an experienced driver. I know I have had some close calls in the old Landcruisers I used to drive for work, getting some pretty extreme angles on a couple of occasions.
The best thing I ever did was an advanced driver training course in collision avopidance. The poor old 80 series Cruiser didn't know what happened to it, being thrown sideways at 60km/h and then being pulled hard back into line. It was pretty scary but it did teach me what I had to do to avoid the exact sort of thing this girl did.
It's good to hear that the occupants weren't badly injured, a testament to the build quality of the Pajero, but saying that it was the vehicles fault really doesn't rub.

[pajpwr]

I'm glad nobody was injured, first of all.

Secondly I am DISGUSTED that the first thing he does is try and blame the vehicle.

TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR YOUR OWN ACTIONS!!!!!!!!

I take the following points away:

1. The girl did several things pretty badly wrong to roll it. Firstly, if there was space in the slower lane she should have been there. Secondly, the reaction to the tailgater was incorrect; either continue the maneover, maintain the same line, or go back in the other lane. Thirdly, proably the skid control was poor, eg braking and hard turning. That would come of not understanding the car's physics.

I have no doubt a better defensive-driving attitude would have meant any avoiding action would not have been nesscary.

Above average drivers use their above-average observations skills to avoid sitations where their above-average car control is needed. (quote stolen from a good flying book)

2. It would be good if there was complusory training that included collision avoidance.

3. Why is many people resort to blaming the vehicle? The light aircraft industry was pretty much killed this way, any time anything went wrong the aircraft manufacturer would get the blame. This attitude should stop, and the only way I see is to throw these cases out of court. Fine the plantiff, in fact.

As someone else said, consider yourself lucky nothing major happened, continue with life; but also schedule some car control training in the near future.