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Advice on UHF radio/aerial combo

Post by ShinyDiscoBalls »

Howdy,

I'm sure this has been asked before but I'm just after people's opinions/experience on choosing a UHF radio and aerial to fit in my rig.

My aim is not to spend more than say $350 to $400 bucks and get the most bang for my buck so to speak.

I've been looking around the shops (ie Dick Smith, Jaycar etc) and they all have their "best on the market" models in the display cases which "cost $150 more everywhere else". :roll:

At the end of the day when they start their tech talk it goes something like "blah blah blah aerial, blah blah receiver blah blah" because I'm not electronically minded in the least. :? :? :?

Any assistance would be greatly appreciated. :D
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Re: Advice on UHF radio/aerial combo

Post by bogged »

prestige communications in perth
free freight.
cheapest prices.
http://www.prestigecom.net.au/

Stick with GME gear over Uniden.
3400's are good kit



GME TX3400 (Free Express Delivery)
Utilising a space saving remote control head and a unique slide-in mounting cradle.
The TX3400 can be installed almost anywhere in your vehicle, making it the ultimate mobile transceiver. Alternatively, the remote head can be attached directly to the main unit if required to create a compact one-piece transceiver.

Our service department can program 10 extra channels into the receive only channels available on the TX3400 UHF Radio for a $15.00 labour fee. Select from the options provided below.




Microprocessor Controlled Frequency Synthesiser.

Non Volatile Memory retains all user settings.

Fully backlit controls and keys.

Preset squelch control.

Graphic Signal Strength Meter on the LCD.

Dustproof Microphone.

High Contrast LCD with backlighting.

Covers all Australian UHF CB

Designed and manufactured in Australia.

Measures 128mm(w) x 117mm (L) x 29mm(H)

Remote Head 128mm(w) x 31mm(L) x 29mm

2 Year Nation-wide warranty

Free Express Delivery Australia Wide

Click to download user manual

PRICE: $425.00 (Including GST)
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Re: Advice on UHF radio/aerial combo

Post by bogged »

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IC-400PRO (Free antenna)

The IC-400PRO comes pre-programmed with 40 UHF CB simplex and repeater channels
plus up to 88 additional channels are available for monitoring frequencies in 450MHz to 500MHz band. Channel data entry is available through the front panel, or via PC programming kit (See below).

Free Ground Independant 3db Antenna complete with coaxial cable

40 UHF CB + Duplex Channels

(60 Extra Channels TX capable)

5 Watt on CB Channels

25 Watt on Commercial Channels

Repeater Scan

CTCSS Signalling

88 additional 'Receive Channels"

Can be user programmed between 450-500 Mhz

5 Tone Selcall- Multi-formats

Scan Group/Priority Channel

4 Watt commercial quality front Speaker

Solid one piece Di-Cast Chassis

Dash Mount Kit - Optional (see below)

Programmable for Commercial Channels 450-480Mhz

2 Year Warranty

Express Delivery special only $10.00 Australia Wide

OPTIONS:
CS-400PRO CLONING SOFTWARE (ver.10)
OPC-1122 CLONING CABLE
HM-100TN DTMF MICROPHONES
OPC-617 ACC CABLE
SM-25 DESKTOP MICROPHONE
UT-108 DTMF DECODER UNIT
UT-109 VOICE SCRAMBLER UNIT (ver. 02)
MB-400 DIN size mounting kit
DRC11357 Desktop repeater case.


PRICE: $399.00 (Including GST)
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Re: Advice on UHF radio/aerial combo

Post by ShinyDiscoBalls »

bogged wrote:prestige communications in perth
free freight.
cheapest prices.
http://www.prestigecom.net.au/

Stick with GME gear over Uniden.
3400's are good kit



GME TX3400 (Free Express Delivery)
Utilising a space saving remote control head and a unique slide-in mounting cradle.
The TX3400 can be installed almost anywhere in your vehicle, making it the ultimate mobile transceiver. Alternatively, the remote head can be attached directly to the main unit if required to create a compact one-piece transceiver.

Our service department can program 10 extra channels into the receive only channels available on the TX3400 UHF Radio for a $15.00 labour fee. **SOUNDS GREAT... WHAT IS THE BENIFIT OF DOING THIS?**



Select from the options provided below.




Microprocessor Controlled Frequency Synthesiser. **WHAT IS THAT?**

Non Volatile Memory retains all user settings.

Fully backlit controls and keys.

Preset squelch control.

Graphic Signal Strength Meter on the LCD.

Dustproof Microphone.

High Contrast LCD with backlighting.

Covers all Australian UHF CB

Designed and manufactured in Australia.

Measures 128mm(w) x 117mm (L) x 29mm(H)

Remote Head 128mm(w) x 31mm(L) x 29mm

2 Year Nation-wide warranty

Free Express Delivery Australia Wide

Click to download user manual

PRICE: $425.00 (Including GST)


I have put a couple of questions above... I appreciate the help but I really am ignorant when it comes to this stuff...

Do those "options" cost xtra???
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Re: Advice on UHF radio/aerial combo

Post by bogged »

http://www.prestigecom.net.au/
goto this site, then on left goto UHF Radios then GME.

have a looko round, usually options/accessories are extra $. The 3400 there and the ICOM are both top units.

you could get away with a 3200 for $299 easily, just no extra channels to listen to the cops with ;)
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Post by ShinyDiscoBalls »

Hmmmm... I really am confused now....

I want something I can fit to the rig, talk into, get help if I get in trouble etc...

I will be doing some trips to Ulluru, NT, SA and the like....

Please don't think I'm being a smart arse... just uneducated re all things radio....
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Post by ShinyDiscoBalls »

Listening to the cops would be good.... :D

Out of the 2 you posted which would you recommend taking what I said above into account?
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Post by bogged »

Go here
http://www.telstat.com.au/cb_info.htm
read the paragraph.
*What Sort of Radio do I Need for my Outback Trip ? *




If your doing remote travelling, UHF may not suit you.

3 main types of radio + Sat Phone.

27meg (the old CB units) - good for car to car on long flat areas

UHF - most common.. Best all round units.

HF - High Frequency. best for remote travel. You will ALWAYS get someone on other end. But they are EXPENSIVE. $3k new. But whats your family worth?

SAT PHONE.. Costly to run than HF, but cheaper to purchase.

Have a look here for definitions on UHF (bottom of page)
http://www.olbis.com.au/ap_template/subcat_uhf.asp

HF definition (bottom of page)
http://www.olbis.com.au/ap_template/subcat_hf.asp
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Post by bogged »

ShinyDiscoBalls wrote:Listening to the cops would be good.... :D

Out of the 2 you posted which would you recommend taking what I said above into account?




" What type of radio should I take on my outback trip ? "

To be properly advised detailed Information about the intended trip is needed, however some basic facts remain constant.

27 Mhz "AM" AM CB is designed to give short-range communications, car to car, with distances of 5 to 10 Kilometres and only then if the quality of aerial and mountings are good.
The value of a simple CB Radio in convoy situations is without question, but once you get off the main road you can forget it as a safety tool.

27 Mhz "Single Sideband (SSB)" SSB CB radio's offer's better range than their "AM" cousins of up to 30 Kilometres, but ONLY to another SSB radio.
However this is clearly not enough when you are in remote area's.
HELP is usally hundreds of kilometres away.
SSB CB radios do allow convoys to spread out on dusty tracks and still maintain contacts because of their superior range.
You may have heard stations calling from far North Queensland or even the occasional station calling from overseas on 27 Mhz SSB. "SKIP" or "Propagation" as this is an atmospheric phenomenon and erratic this should NOT be relied upon for emergency contact from remote area's.
Many of these stations heard will be running much more powerful equipment and bigger antennas than you, So just because you can hear them it does not mean that they will hear you in an Emergency situation.

477 Mhz "UHF" UHF CB radio is rapidly taking over from the older types of CB Radio's 27Mhz type.
With its superior clarity and range, UHF has become a choice of Rural Australia.
Most outback stations, 4x4 Clubs, Caravan Clubs, & 75% of Interstate Truck Drivers use UHF.
Unfortunately with a line of sight range of 5 to 20 Kilometres "UHF" is still unsuited for Emergencys in remote locations.
Farming areas however usually have Repeaters stations within range which Help by boosting UHF Signals to 100 Kilometres or more, but once again these repeaters are not available in remote locations.

Cellular Telephone Mobile Phone "GSM or CDMA" coverage is generally only available along the East Coast and perhaps around outback cities.
There is no coverage at all away from major population areas.
ONLY 9% of Australia's Land Mass is covered by the Standard Mobile Cellular Telephone Network.
Satellite phones are available for mobile and NEW hand helds and start at about $1895.00 and go up to about $6000.00 Dollars.
Coverage of all of Australia, including remote outback locations is execellent, and off shore coverage is possible out to 200 kilometre's out to sea.
The big advantage of a Sat Phone is it's ease of use being similar to that of a cellular phone, but you must be outside not inside a Building as the Antenna must see the SKY.

HF "High Frequency" ( RFDS ) Codan or Barrett radio's are the only type that offer full legal output power of 100 Watts not like CB radios 4 Watts for AM, 12Watts for SSB, 5 Watts for UHF.
Life threatening situations are another story and a Snake bite or Heart Attack require assistance within a couple of hours at most and usually advice from the RFDS (Royal Flying Doctors Service) medical staff over the radio is vital until they can get to you for treatment or evacuation to a hospital.
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Post by ShinyDiscoBalls »

LEGEND!!!!!!!

I'll be in touch re purchase soon....
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Post by stool »

What ever you do don`t get one dick smith antana get GME because you need the big chunk of steel at the bottom of aerial to act as ground unless you fitt the aerial in the center of the roof . Ive got a TX3400 and have had no problems it`s a top unit but i was sold one of those thin black antanas which was crap so ARB service centre taren point sorted me out and and it`s sooooo much better good luck
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Post by ShinyDiscoBalls »

Thanks Stool
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Post by sascot »

Bogged, sounds like your in the know with radios. I have aquired a TAIT2015 / 500 about 1994/6 model. Would like to change it to the 2015/600 is there much involved, change of crystals etc? How $$$, have a gme 4400 but thinking of a 2nd unit for the 2nd car. ;)
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Post by fightara »

stool wrote:What ever you do don`t get one dick smith antana get GME because you need the big chunk of steel at the bottom of aerial to act as ground unless you fitt the aerial in the center of the roof . Ive got a TX3400 and have had no problems it`s a top unit but i was sold one of those thin black antanas which was crap so ARB service centre taren point sorted me out and and it`s sooooo much better good luck


That's not necessarily true, you just have to be aware of the way in which a ground plane independent vs. non-GPI antenna works.

I have an $18 non-GPI 4.5dB Jaycar antenna on my Vit, installed midlength along the drivers-side front quarter, therefore uses the entire bonnet as a ground plane (pretty much the only GP on a Vit). I chat regularly with someone using the same aerial mounted in a similar spot from Gordon to Epping.

If you mount your aerial on your bullbar, then yes, get a GPI one otherwise it will suck.

Also use the smallest amount of coax cable possible between the radio and the aerial.

Finally, be aware that bigger does not always mean better. A 6' antenna on your bullbar may look cool (and prevent you from entering carparks :roll:) and work great over long, flat distances, but the small stubby aerials will kick your ass when trying to talk to someone 500 metres away in thick scrub. ;)

My 2c? Get a good UHF/aerial combo (professionally installed - don't DIY if you're not autoleccy cluey) and if you're going on a big outback tour, hire an HF radio or a Satphone. Don't buy one unless you'll be doing that sort of stuff regularly.
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Post by ShinyDiscoBalls »

Thanks again for the additional info...
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Post by bogged »

sascot wrote:Bogged, sounds like your in the know with radios. I have aquired a TAIT2015 / 500 about 1994/6 model. Would like to change it to the 2015/600 is there much involved, change of crystals etc? How $$$, have a gme 4400 but thinking of a 2nd unit for the 2nd car. ;)


The trick is finding someone who can do the work. Newsgroups maybe your best bet.

Actually Woop is the God of radios, he has about 8 CB/UHF/VHF etc in his GQ!!!
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