a extreme 4x4 is born

Post by **Pup** » Tue Oct 05, 2004 8:50 am

gday dont know if this will be a Tonka or not, i dont care but for people that are interested and have cable tv

the bloke that bought u a race car is born on discovery channel is making defender ute on a range rover body,

its on at saturday around midday look up the listing if ur interested

Post by **fridgefreezer** » Wed Oct 06, 2004 8:00 pm

Would that be Mr Mark Adams?

I met him on Sunday, he bought the finished vehicle along on the London To Brighton Land Rover Run. He's just as nice a chap in person as he is on TV - he stood in the pissing rain talking cars to us for about 15 minutes.

Post by **Pup** » Thu Oct 07, 2004 4:26 pm

yeah mate that would be the fella, i think the episode i saw was the first one, and my brother saw the finished car in a land rover mag but the news agency had sold out so i couldnt see it,

whats the finished car look like and did he take it for a spin off road with u guys?

Post by **fridgefreezer** » Thu Oct 07, 2004 11:19 pm

He actually tested it out at one of our regular sites, Brick Kiln Farm - we DID tell him he had to bring it along for our next play day :twisted:

I'll try to dig out a photo or two, someone must have one as they were crawling all over it in Brighton.

Post by **fridgefreezer** » Thu Oct 07, 2004 11:36 pm

Aaah, here we go, from http://www.scorpionracing.co.uk, purveyors of orange springs and overpriced suspension baubles (can you tell how much I love them?) who unfortunately sponsored the vehicle:

Here he is, chatting to ANOTHER group of Landy nuts in the rain.

What you can't see in the photos is the paint - it's blue but with a very slight green mica flip in it. A bloody expensive way to paint an off-roader, but I have to admit if I had the money, I would!

Post by **ISUZUROVER** » Fri Oct 08, 2004 12:03 am

Looks nice, but those wheels are pretty small. Looks like the UK hasn't caught onto the big wheel craze yet...

Post by **DiscoDino** » Fri Oct 08, 2004 1:07 am

This is all old school...32s with 14" travel...I had that set-up back in the late 90s when I was in my early 20s...sexy, but as they say in Arabic "Ma bi habbel" ("does not get the girl pregnant" :finger:

)

Step it up to 36s with "good" articulation and a stable ride...that is the balance today...

Other than that, sweet :armsup:

Post by **ISUZUROVER** » Fri Oct 08, 2004 1:10 am

Also notice that almost all the flex is in the rear - not balanced at all (which is the ideal offroad). With all the scorpion crap (and lots of rear flex but not much front) it would be a good ramp queen but not great offroad.

Post by **DiscoDino** » Fri Oct 08, 2004 1:35 am

True...

They need some of Sam's front bushes and some N73s... :lol:

Post by **BabyGodzillaGTi-R** » Fri Oct 08, 2004 1:51 am

Urm if the springs are detached wouldn't that give less traction at the rear when at maximum articulation?
Since the axle is not being "pushed" on the terrain?

Post by **Pup** » Fri Oct 08, 2004 9:11 am

that looks fantastic!!!! i want one, i saw the first episode on saturday and that looks so much better than i had expected,

thanks for posting the pics of the finished project

im also surprised how many people from around the world are on outerlimits, its great to see it going international

Post by **fridgefreezer** » Fri Oct 08, 2004 10:35 am

The UK hasn't quite got into the big-wheels craze yet because the stock Rover stuff is too weak to cope, and strong stuff is either expensive or f'ing hard to find / difficult to adapt.

There are no plentiful sources of stronger axles, transmissions, etc. over here unless you start butchering 7.5 ton army trucks, and that adds quite a bit of weight

That said, 35"s are becoming the norm at challenge events and more people are getting into serious suspension travel. Current UK champion is an RTI of over 1200 on a home-made 3-link setup.

Here's some photos of the last chellenge event I was at - this should give a rough idea of where the UK is at on average:
http://www.shirelrc.com/gallery/thumb.php?dir=Slindon_Chal_9.5.04
Although I must stress there were quite a few teams in basic vehicles just in if for the laugh!

Post by **fridgefreezer** » Fri Oct 08, 2004 10:49 am

Just got a CD of photos from someone, couldn't resist posting this one of us freezing our nuts off on Brighton seafront with the man himself:

I'm in the very fetching yellow jacket - and yes, I was cold - I'd just had to lay in a puddle to change my starter motor! :cry:

Post by **Pup** » Fri Oct 08, 2004 5:18 pm

ur freezing ur ass off and mark evans is standing there in shorts! haha

like the bright yellow jacket mate wouldnt be able to lose u in a crowd in a hurry lol

has mark evans been taking his finished project on a whole bunch of land rover runs?

Post by **fridgefreezer** » Sun Oct 10, 2004 10:56 am

He's been to a few shows and stuff but I think Scorpion are probably paying him to be there with the truck to be honest. He seems to enjoy it, though - if he doesn't he's a bloody good actor!

Post by **fightara** » Sun Oct 10, 2004 2:26 pm

At the risk of being flamed, how is that truck "extreme" at all?

The Mogrover is similar in concept (ie. Rangie chassis with an old-style Landy body) but is done SO much more impressively, and would be infinitely more capable off-road... I class that as extreme.

That thing just looks like a pox-box with some bolt-on suspension bits.

Post by **Pup** » Sun Oct 10, 2004 5:22 pm

[quote="fightara"]At the risk of being flamed, how is that truck "extreme" at all?quote]

it was the name of the tv show that he made the landie, and if u saw what it looked like when he begun ud realise hes done well, also i think the idea of the project was to kinda keep it street legal,

comparing this to mog rover is like comparing a dog to a cat, there both completly different thing!!!

Post by **bundyboy** » Mon Oct 11, 2004 7:47 pm

are they fox shocks on the rear?

Post by **uninformed** » Tue Oct 12, 2004 2:32 pm

bundyboy wrote:are they fox shocks on the rear?

no, they are "oram" or "ohram"?, italian made, 15 inch travel rears and 10 inch travel fronts. 22mm rod, nitrogen charged. i'm sure that they would make a heap of different lenghts, this is just what scorpion racing supplies in there kit. i think they have pin to eye converters to fit the mounts. to me the trucks rear looks like its doing to much of the flex compared to the front.

so how much ground pressure does a shock give when the spring dislocates?

Post by **tony cordell** » Wed Oct 13, 2004 4:59 am

I wonder how it would get recovered backwards?
as it has No recovery point on the rear.
light intrest thats all the programme is

Post by **DiscoDino** » Wed Oct 13, 2004 5:52 pm

Tony...

Suggest you give them a call and tell them to get some 35 ETs there, some better front articulation, rear winch/recovery points, and ome plasma rope there...until then, this is not an extreme truck...sorry, but my honnest point of view...

Post by **Michele** » Wed Oct 13, 2004 10:22 pm

uninformed wrote:
bundyboy wrote:are they fox shocks on the rear?

no, they are "oram" or "ohram"?, italian made, 15 inch travel rears and 10 inch travel fronts. 22mm rod, nitrogen charged. i'm sure that they would make a heap of different lenghts, this is just what scorpion racing supplies in there kit(...)

Hi all (here's the newbie)
AFAIK Scorpion supplies E*uipe stuff,which originally sells the dampers you see bolted on that truck.

BTW they look like the ORAMs
http://www.oramitalia.com/prodotti.asp?cat=Ammortizzatori%20Auto&art=12
even if,having chatted with a friend mechanic,he told me they're custom built for E*uipe (sort of "hand made")...

Cheers

Post by **tim** » Thu Oct 14, 2004 12:38 am

The dampers are ORAM, made in Italy, a fairly small high spec company making small numbers. A lot of the internals are Ohlins.

I had Oram make me a custom set, 15" travel dmapers all round (90 Td5), remote reservoir, damping and rebound adjust.

Have also moved the front damper to run in front of the spring.

Tim

Post by **Michele** » Thu Oct 14, 2004 12:45 am

If you browse through their website you'll find they're Ohlins distributors (motorbikes),that should explain the origin of the internals.
So I suppose they're top quality!

How much did you pay for the kit?
And how does it perform?

(I'd like to have one but I fear it's outerlimits...doh...!)

Cheers

Post by **tim** » Thu Oct 14, 2004 12:59 am

Michele

The rear is Scorpion Extreme kit, the front is all custom fabricated by myself and a friend with front shock mounts fabbed from plate and welded to the chassis. We are going to make a new axle housing with the radius arm brackets adjusted for castor and with welded brackcets fro the bottom shock mounts. Currently they are bolt on brackets.

I also run a hinged radius arm that we just had designed and made. I know some people don't like these but I have run one for 2 years with no problem. Anything with loadsa of flex comes at some price and the engine is in the way of a 4 link!

It cost a fair bit!! But I have enough travel to reach the end of the front shocks and it is also really stable as we put alot of effort into getting the spring rates right. It is very balanced front to rear.

Tim

PS I have a couple of pics but not sure how to post!

PPS Dino, ally rear winch mount is on the drawing board

Post by **Michele** » Thu Oct 14, 2004 1:35 am

Ach so!
Well,I'd have enough of 4 longer dampers to match some longer springs and go with a basic (read:cheap!) suspension kit...nothing wrong with 3rd link and so on,but I don't wheel that far(so what do I do here?!?),plus I'd need some tech skills I don't have (sadly)...

I asked you the price as,being near Milan,I could drop in ORAM factory and get some dampers for less money that you pay in UK I think...
:roll:

Maybe in a future...

More OT;I really like the 100" WB,shame LR didn't put it on the market.
The truck-SR bits apart as isn't really me-is really nice,finishing seems to be well done.

IIRC there's a V8 under the hood...
:armsup:

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