how many of you bush mechanics have changed a clutch

Post by **robbie** » Thu Mar 06, 2003 7:54 pm

hey all

how many of you guys have removed the t/case & g/box on your garage floor?

how hard was it to do? (talking about the heavy lifting factor?)

how many dudes & jacks did you use to help?

Post by **baby_troupe** » Thu Mar 06, 2003 8:05 pm

I've replace a few clutch & pressure plates on 2wd vehicles in my home workshop.
I used 1 2.5 tonne floor jack & 2 axle stands as well as the tools to remove everything.
The gearboxes were not too heavy once on the floor jack, the hard part is ensuring it balances when you take it out & that all lines up properly before reassembly. :wink:
Vehicles I have done include Austin A30, Datsun 1300 Ute, Holden Astra & a Commodore.

Post by **LOCKY** » Thu Mar 06, 2003 8:06 pm

One dude Me

One jack

Post by **robbie** » Thu Mar 06, 2003 8:09 pm

baby_troupe wrote:I've replace a few clutch & pressure plates on 2wd vehicles in my home workshop.
I used 1 2.5 tonne floor jack & 2 axle stands as well as the tools to remove everything.
The gearboxes were not too heavy once on the floor jack, the hard part is ensuring it balances when you take it out & that all lines up properly before reassembly. :wink:
Vehicles I have done include Austin A30, Datsun 1300 Ute, Holden Astra & a Commodore.

yah, I have done a few passenger cars..

just remembering when I did an apprenticeship - did one patrol clutch, fuck me that thing was heavy.. broke the 'trans stand' we had

needed 3 guys to lift it off the ground do about 5 foot (was on a hoist)

and another guy to bolt it up

Post by **Roktruk** » Thu Mar 06, 2003 8:18 pm

Biggest pain in the a$%$ is stopping the thing from rotating coz the transfer case pokes out one side and wants to fall over. I used to have a jig that fitted into a trolley jack to stop this happening. It makes life much easier when re-fitting. Spending a bit of time, even with some wood, makes life a whole lot simpler

2 people should be able to do this job easily. If its a Toyota, buy the gear stick removal tool. After poking a screwdiver into my hand doing it the hard way, this was a good buy.

Make sure the pressure plate is lined up and torqued properly. An old input shaft does this well, or a tapered clutch aligning tool.

Remember to replace the spiggot bearing in the centre of the flywheel, and get the flywheel machined.

Roktruk

Post by **robbie** » Thu Mar 06, 2003 8:22 pm

Roktruk wrote: the pressure plate is lined up and torqued properly. An old input shaft does this well, or a tapered clutch aligning tool.

Roktruk

or the good old 'eye aligning tool'

that has served me well

Post by **GRUNTLESS** » Thu Mar 06, 2003 8:44 pm

did mine about 2 months ago on the road out the front of my house :roll:

just me my mate and no jack required.........didnt even jack the car up and we were both sitting up right :lol:

only took 45mins

Post by **robbie** » Thu Mar 06, 2003 8:45 pm

good stuff gruntless..

so I gather hilux g/box & t/cases arent that heavy?

I got one in my bundy, just thinking if I should do it or not

need to change the rear main, so its either engine out, or g/box out

Post by **GRUNTLESS** » Thu Mar 06, 2003 9:01 pm

what motor u got :?:

if ya gunna do the rear main u might as well pull the motor.........easier to line back up i reckon and i dunno how your rear main set up is but you may need to drop the sump and there a bit of a s!ut to get off usally(to much sh!t in the way)

just my opinion easier motor out :wink:

Post by **robbie** » Thu Mar 06, 2003 9:06 pm

22R

yeh, might take the motor out.. then I have an excuse to tidy the engine bay! and even clean the motor itself

Post by **GRUNTLESS** » Thu Mar 06, 2003 9:17 pm

22r......... p!ss easy to take out 1 hour and it should be out

did my rear main bout 12 months ago(and another clutch) pretty easy from what i remember pull the clutch flywheel and sump off, pull the rear main seal housing off , knock the old seal out and put the new one in and put it all back together :wink: easy

Post by **robbie** » Thu Mar 06, 2003 9:21 pm

sweet, sounds easy as

knowing my luck, I will find something else wrong...

and then I can see it - a bloody bigger motor will end up going in..

Post by **v8zuki** » Thu Mar 06, 2003 9:33 pm

hilux box piss easy . just separate the t/case from g/box takes one man &1 hr to change clutch

Post by **80diesel4play** » Fri Mar 07, 2003 10:15 am

Robbie,

I'm not going away this weekend - I have the tools and shite to do the job - takes about 1 1/2 hours and I come cheap.

1 box of VB = at least 3 hours labour/sh!t talk.....

Gimme a bell if you want a hand.

Extra hands are free as well.... I know people....

Um - wot else - if you try to call me today - PM instead I left it at home!! :cry:

Post by **N*A*M** » Fri Mar 07, 2003 10:33 am

I'll come over too depending when you wanna do it.

Post by **robbie** » Fri Mar 07, 2003 11:52 am

thanks for the offers guys, wont be doing this for a few weeks tho

I will get all the parts I need for the job, then organise something

Post by **Wooders** » Fri Mar 07, 2003 12:03 pm

Did the Jeep clutch about 3 months ago. in the driveway. Din't jack the rig up - I just laid in the dirt & use my trolley Jack with a wodden jig I made up to support the g/box & t/case....Used the hitech eyebal alignment tool too :p

Post by **robbie** » Fri Mar 07, 2003 12:07 pm

the eyeball is the best tool - if it works properly

I have used one of those clutch alligning tools before, and one time it didn't work too good.. so yeh - eyeball rocks

Post by **Gonzo** » Fri Mar 07, 2003 1:06 pm

GF`s 2wd car has the 22r motor, took 3 of us about 2 hours

Post by **BundyRumandCoke** » Fri Mar 07, 2003 6:29 pm

Next time I gotta do a clutch, or anything on my gearbox, its out with the whole lot, motor/gearbox/transfer case. The motor is 250kg, and I reckon my box/case must be at least 100kg. Way too heavy to lift under the car. This week, I put my transfer case in, and it took 2 of us to get it in. And its easier to get together on the floor.

Cheers

Post by **12uke** » Fri Mar 07, 2003 8:53 pm

Did my zook on my own and no jacks, but gave a mate a hand too change his transfer box and it took 3 of us too lift it in BLOODY G60's. :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :(

Post by **BUNDERA** » Fri Mar 07, 2003 8:58 pm

I have done a suburu L series station wagon with the help of a few pullies and ropes.

Not that hard.

Post by **N*A*M** » Fri Mar 07, 2003 9:29 pm

wind down windows and put a round beam across to support and act as a pulley for a strap tied to the gearbox going through the shifter hole? does that make sense?

Post by **Sixty** » Fri Mar 07, 2003 9:42 pm

Changed the clutch in the 60 bout 4 years ago. In the driveway with a trolley jack, steel plate & a few choice words!

Post by **2car** » Fri Mar 07, 2003 10:14 pm

BUNDERA wrote:I have done a suburu L series station wagon with the help of a few pullies and ropes.

Not that hard.

Me too, but with a 40 series Cruiser gearbox/transfer. 1 man job.

Post by **hypo** » Fri Mar 07, 2003 10:57 pm

did 1 in my lux bout 4 months ago, 3 blokes 2 hrs i think but yeah its fun

dun a1zooks the other night

easy !!!!!!!!!!!!!

Post by **Cheezy4x4** » Fri Mar 07, 2003 11:04 pm

To do a GQ 5 speed by your self, forget it they weigh a tonne, the Turbo 400 that is replacing it weighs 1/2. :shock:

Post by **ausyota** » Fri Mar 07, 2003 11:40 pm

when my mate and I did the clutch in my lux it was only a one man job!
when I went to help him he already had the box out...
...but we did have the help of a beast of a gearbox jack that gets used for removing Mack truck gearboxs 8)

I think the jack weighed more than the gearbox and transfer!
Paul.

Post by **dumbdunce** » Sun Mar 09, 2003 9:45 pm

for landcruiser clutches (including bundys) I usually pull the seats, front carpet, and trans tunnel plate, then use a floor crane/engine hoist, through the passenger door, to support the box. You can't separate the transfer in a bundy without completely dismantling it. even the puny G52 is pretty heavy, and awkward because of the offset transfer outputs - makes it want to rotate. so yes you 'waste' an hour pulling the seats/floormat/plate, but it all works out easier in the end. budget about 5 hours if you've never done one before, not including been drinking time, sitting around time, swearing at it time, trying to get it it cos you didn't align the clutch properly time, etc etc.

and for a clutch aligning tool grab the input shaft from a celica gearbox from the wreckers. the eyeball method is nowhere near as good as using an input shaft. it is better than the plastic repco tool though.

you can use the beam across the doors with a chain block in 40 series but the windows are too far back in the bundy, can't get the block close enough to the dashboard.

alternatively if you have three strong mates the 4 of you should be able to lift it into position. it's about 75 - 80kg gearbox and transfer.

the Daiken Exedy 'Extreme' or 'Safari Tuff' clutches are pretty damn good.

unless it's leaking, leave the rear main seal alone. expect to see some seepage around it if you do a reasonable amount of steep uphill work.

cheers Brian

Post by **2car** » Mon Mar 10, 2003 11:19 am

dumbdunce wrote:
the Daiken Exedy 'Extreme' or 'Safari Tuff' clutches are pretty damn good.

I'll second that.

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