DON'T CHANGE OUR JAMBOREE 2005

[Gigantor]

J5 is being hosted by the Suzuki Club in 2005 and they have taken upon them selves to make radical changes to the rules.
There limiting the tyre size to 36"
There also bringing in a handi-cap scoring system.
This means no more big trucks are invited to J5.
Lets be honest, the Jamboree is all about bringing our small 4wdriving community together for an excellent weekend to be had by ALL. Be honest as a mum and dad, your kids love the big trucks, we all love to see the big trucks except the J5 host.

The Jamboree belongs to us all, without doubt being one of the best social
weekends on the 4wdrivers calendar.
Don't let the host of J5 spoil it by inviting their own friends and further
more the Association has no right to approve such radical changes without
the rest of us, affiliated clubs and members having some prior input given
that we all support the association.
It would be extremely good to get more feedback from all who agree that
these changes to J5 are wrong.
All of you mechanical/custom 4wd workshops owners that feed from us, in
helping to modify our rigs no matter how small the modifications are, where
is your support in this matter.
There are hundred's of competitors/drivers out there running over 36" tyres,
where is your support on this. Doesn't matter if your not driving this year
or your truck is off the road. Get in here and be heard, otherwise this type
of thing will continue and soon the BIG RIGS will be a thing of the past.
CCDA has classes, we use this to cater for all. The association supports
CCDA, so there is the link, but where has it failed.
Potential Sponsors, all of you that feed off the industry in any shape or
form, where is your support.
Lets not see the jamboree, which has evolved to what it is today by the
efforts and support from all clubs, competitors, spectators etc, and by a
minority, a club only hosing it change it and possibly ruin it for all.
My view on this matter is very strong, I have been part of the competition
scene since 1996, not long ,but long enough to see all the events evolve.
I have been there, every year since 1996 with my family/kids, I have
competed, I started with a std 80 series cruiser, I modified it gradually
over the years and kept competing, I without doubt would no almost all by
sight (maybe not names, that's just me though....bad memory), but what I do
remember, every year the Jamboree has always, without failure been the best
weekend on the 4wd calendar. So I ask the question, WHY SHOULD IT BE
CHANGED.
Going to an event and watching Standard vehicles or even slightly modified
vehicles whizzing around the track all day picking up potatoes and driving
blind folded, would be as boring to watch as synchronised swimming. That's
just my view, but hay, I'm way out there, I'm hip, I'm something from the
future.
Maybe it just me, maybe I need to buy a Suzuki and calm down.
Or maybe those who care should start replying to this email and giving their
support.

Regards
Shane Barlow
( from a guy with a big rig and cares about our future in motorsport)
I also have a lot of time on my hands to write these emails........NOT.

[Dozoor]

Had my say in General chit chat.

Larry.

[Coighty]

Well said Shane, I posted a repl on the other Thread.

[Squik]

Shane...see my comments on the other string.
Yes, everyone has the right to attend and compete in any vehicle they like....I agree on that.
But lets not forget that the Jamboree is not a calendar competition event....it's social....not hardcore....but still, everyone should be able to compete socially.

[Gigantor]

Squik,
Your correct and I have no argument there at all, but if you read my email, I state its not a hardcore competition and the best social 4wd weekend on the calenda. Sorry to say but is is on the calenda, mine anyways.
Regards Shane

[Squik]

Fashion Week is on mine...can you get Gucci heels in 36's?
And if I get pissed and fall off them, am I covered by insurance? What are the approach and departure angles on the runway?.....and will the models be wearing ARB Bull-Bras?
Yeah, re-read your post - I get the gist, but I still think it can't reeeeaaallllly be classified in the same catagory as full on events as there is no real form of election, application, pre-submission etc....basically anyone can enter.

[Gigantor]

To me this debate/argument about the Suzuki Club making changes to our
Jamboree is pretty straight forward.
The changes are being made to an event, a very much social event that has
worked excellent for the past decade, from all the hard work and efforts of
clubs and members previously hosting the event.
My argument is, and I'll say again, because there are a lot out there who
just don't seem to understand the point of the argument and go off on their
own little side show.
1 The Suzuki Club are only hosting the event, and I can't see why they
should have the power to change the event especially when the event format
existing is a working one. (that's a fact).
2 (The Suzuki Club mention they have the full support from the
association), The Jamboree belongs to all association members/clubs and
therefore I felt it is very unfair that this could happen without prior
feedback from all clubs and members in regards to these changes. (that's a
fact and a fair call).

I have not once bagged the Suzuki Club, nor association in regards to this
matter, however some choose to bag me for what I see is nothing other than a
fair call.
I have nothing against the Suzuki Club nor standard vehicles, all I want is
to keep the Jamboree running like it has been so all class of vehicle are
invited.
The result from this, if you choose to bag me, than expect a bagging back

Before you all make a comment against my view, read the emails and understand
the principal of the argument first before you go off and badger me.
Thankyou for those who do see my view, although I would like to see more.
This exercise is nothing more than to make the J5 host aware of our views on
these changes to the Jamboree. I was going to speak on a personal level to
the Suzuki Club but new nothing would come of my concerns. This way, they at
least have to listen and hopefully with enough positive feedback may help
the Club decide whether the changes should apply to J5.
Although I said my bit, its now up to you out there to make the difference.
Regards

Shane Barlow
p.s Its now apparently confirmed the tyre limit is 33"

[grimbo]

how many places are you going to post this. We get it, you don't like the rule. Fine, you have made your point but placing it in three seperate threads does no one any good. it comes across as an attack.

Don't go then easy problem solved. Be involved with a club who will run it in 06 and do it your way simple fixed.

[Gigantor]

Hi everyone,
Just following up from discussions last night with Greg Hamilton (J5 host).

I'll try and keep this brief
My approach in bringing this topic to a forum level discussion in my eyes was an approach I thought would best suit my concerns regarding changes being made for J5.
I was approached earlier by the Suzuki Club to discuss my concerns.
However I decided not to make contact immediately, but to wait and see other people views hoping that any positive feedback supporting my concerns would help convince J5 host to listen.
I had honest concerns, which were only fair to be answered by both the association and J5 host.
None of this was about bagging the host or association, but to derive the logic from the rumoured changes to J5.
Discrimination was my major concern in regards to tyre size limit, which ultimately effected the higher end class of vehicle.
To try and understand the logic behind changing an existing event that was very popular and currently working fine.

Maybe the situation could have been handled a bit better from both parties to avoid one on one slagging matches, which developed from the mere fact that people reading the
threads don't grasp the sole nature and intentions of what the email was originally all about.

Further more to this I have since made contact with the J5 host.
We had a very lengthy conversation discussing the concerns at hand with J5.
Derived from this discussion and feedback from the forums/threads has prompted J5 host to chair a meeting today to finalise the makeup of J5.
Nothing yet is finalised including the rumoured 33" and 36" tyre limit.
I'm not convinced the style approach to my concerns was entirely the best method, but stating this I took a stand in what I firmly believed in.
From the discussions I had with Greg Hamilton (J5 host), and the waiting with anticipation of an outcome from the Suzuki Club meeting being chaired today,
I feel confident Jamboree 2005 will once again be an occasion for all clubs and members affiliated with the association to enjoy and participate in, at all levels.
I'm hoping there will be no tyre limit as such, and as a trade off the handi-cap scoring system will apply to rigs with large tyres.
For a social event as such, I'm sure drivers of the big rigs wouldn't be concerned of the scoring system, and simply be overwhelmed to once again be part of the
Jamboree and witness the best social 4wd gathering on the calendar.
The mere fact of us being allowed to participate and mingle with all class of vehicle already make's us WINNER's !!!

Please lets now wait in anticipation the Suzuki Clubs result for J5 makeup.
Thankyou all that gave feedback throughout the 4wd motorsport forum and Outerlimit4x4 threads, and although it wasn't a huge display of public outcry,
I think without doubt has made a difference to the outcome of J5.
If the end result is a negative outcome, lets LEAVE IT at that, we tried and that in my eyes is a positive on its own.
On the other hand if its a positive outcome, lets celebrate and praise the J5 host for listening to our concerns.

Regards
Shane Barlow
( the owner of a big rig, and now suffering from stress, RSI, eye strain, tiredness and sore fingers)