Nissan Trials

[turbo gu]

can the club win everyone one wants a comp to see the big trucks compete at but dosn't want a track that is to hard. if a lower class driver picks his lines and settles for a slightly lower point say a 70 as apposed to 100 point mark he still has a chance of winning due the points loading of his class.its funny how everyone complained because willowglen only allowed 36 inch tyres and all the big trucks couldn't compete.and now the trials are too tough. rant over
a couple of the events need a rebuild for next year. only so much time can be put into it with a small number of people doing the work.
a couple of the best drives on my event were by dave in the 4 runner crawling to the 90 point mark late in the day. (event 1) so it wasn't all point and shoot just a bit of thought

[bogged]

You can NEVER please everyone.

As an organiser dont lose sight of what you DID accomplish. The event went off without an injury, and was a success. Plenty of entries, and spectators - that is what you need to cover costs and continue into next year.

Running an event is not easy, I have done it with Motorcycle racing - it is a thankless job... What you accomplished is more than most that are giving you shit have done from the NON driving side of the fence.

And people wonder why clubs cant get volunteers to assist when they cop shit from people not willing to help.

It will be interesting to see how many would volunteer next yr to assist giving up their time without pay for a few months of both days on their weekends, entries, track marking, making the track, putting up bunting, arranging licensing/insurance, signage, then on race day in recoveries, marshalling, point counting, and finally in cleaning up the day after the event, etc etc....

But as long as you take into consideration the comments from competitors that are the largest voice (EG they matter the most - without them you have no event.), next yr it will be better.

Good on ya for giving it a go. Your welcome to come to melb to run one

[Midget]

Turbo gu
You can not tell me that all those tracks had been driven before the weekend.
I have no dramas in driving hard tracks,But come on be realistic about things.
The nissan trails has always had the image of of a medium grade comp where the average joe blow could have a go.
At the rate it is going at the moment and from the feedback i got over the weekend, i think you will find alot of people not returning next year.....

[POS]

Seems like a interesting weekend!

I can't comment to much as i was not there, so i will just comment about what i have read so far!

I think a Big Congrats should go to the organisors and the officials of the weekend. It doesn't matter how many mistakes were made at least there was an event! With the massive insurance issues that the NSW guys have everyone should be thankful there was an event at all! Instead of just bagging someone for having a go how about we put our heads together and offer POSITIVE feedback that will hopfully stop some of the issues happening again!

On the "un-informed / ill-prepared officials" maybe next year when they are proving the tracks you could run a MINI-COMP for training of the officials. This will illiminate TWO problems straight up. One the tracks will get PROVED and TWO the officials can watch each other and talk about it in a controlled situation!

In regards to the cost of the event!!! Remember again with insurance the cost of such an event would be huge. Again it comes down to how much people want to keep the sport going!

Maybe to elliminate the complaints about the costing you could have some printouts and posters around the place with "How the entry fee is used". This way people can look and realise that it takes that sort of money to make the event run etc etc!

In regards to the terrain and style of Driving! It was funny how everyone was saying that it was Point and Shoot, and then i read that if you stop then thats it, your finished. Well unfortunatly with that rule then that is about the only way it could be driven. To maybe eliminate this issue and still keep the flow happening maybe you could set say maximum of 4 stops per stage with a total stop time of 60 seconds. So if you stop once for say 20 seconds to think about a line or to re-set your line then it leaves you with 3 stops remaining and 40 seconds! Hope that makes sense. It may be a way of allowing rigs to slow down a touch think about what they are going to do and the get into it! Just a thought!

The recoveries in any event is always a BIG issue, before anyone compares it to TTC just remember the Silver 80 series that took 8 hours to recover!!!

I have no real idea of how this could be improved other than having a well trained and HUGE recovery team and also making provision when setting the stages to allow easy access. I realised this when we organised PUOSU. Yes we could have made the stages a lot harder but the trade off was that if someone broke that the recovery was going to be lengthy! So maybe look at ways of implimenting entry and exit points threw out the stages!

Please do not take this as trying to come across as me been an expert on event organising, but i just thought some encouragement and positive feedback would help future organisors!

It is also great to see some teams helping each other out! I have never been to an event in NSW but from what i have heard nothing like that ever really happens, so a HUGE congrats to the boys that are setting the example to others!!! Keep up the great work and sportsmanship!

On n more lighter note!

WTF is up with that Grimace's RED HAIR!!!!!! Mate if you want to be a QLD you have to know how to wheel HARD!!!! Jamie i pissed myself when i saw that photo!

And

I appolagise to Sam (overkill) for that NUMBNUT that was bagging out his Diff rebuilding was from QLD. If he is from QLD then i would like to see him apolagise for been a D!CK. In a COMP we do what is required to keep everyone going no matter what it takes! If he was saying it as a joke all well and good, however if he was been a smartarse about it then i only hope that when he breaks no one offers to rebuild anything for him, after all we wouldn't want it to be DODGY!!!!!!

Congrats to all involved!

[Webbie]

Guts didn't seem in the best of moods today either, must be missing his wheel-time

That may be due to the fact that he and i went campfire hopping on friday night got back at 4 then on sat night same thing but got back at 3 ,thats a total of 5hrs sleep for the weekend plus GUTS had to drive down to MELB to pick up cheezy thursday night .Had a pissa if a time around the camp fire as there was a f@rk whit driving his VL doing donuts for about 30mins .But the peice tala rasistance was when it came to the attention of GUTS and CHEEZY that the little c@nt that was giving them as much curry as he could at stage 1 i think turned out to be the bloke driving the VL and when he turned up at our campfire u should of seen his face(GOLD GOLD GOLD). Cheezy quitely and calmly invited him to sit down next to him for probly the best part of 2 hrs and by the end if it he still didn't know weather or not cheezy was going to cream him (sorry bad pun)All in all had a great time must say thakx to the boys in our camp CHEEZY ,GUTS ,DAZ ,GLEN and molly for a great weekend and also the fellas that helped me and a coulple of others move that f@cking rock at the end of stage 1 that the officals kept directing people around.( note to self )photo copy a newbies guide to recoverys and give to appropriate marshalls and certin recovery personall.

[Madmac]

just a quick defence of the trials. it is cheaper to get into than willowglen but with bigger trucks, it is also run by the club with members volunteering there time put to build tracks and everything else.
the reason for the count out rule is insurrance related.
as for the tracks getting pretty average try putting 112 cars up your favourite track in one day and see what it looks like after that. as for the club encouraging foot to the floor driving how about the drivers walking the tracks before driving them. you stand there watching where there going and they have no idea what line they want to take, they just hold it flat and hope they get to the top.
thats just my 2 cents on it.

Thanks for the words of understanding.
comments....
With regards to the gate charge...people (and lots of them) paid the higher entry for Willowglen so, guess what, I reckon you wil see a lot of these comps putting their price UP next year.
We thought we would do the right thing and require nets and restaints this year and then the insurance Co. knocked us back 'cause we sound too much like a racing event. Had to find insurance. More money!
Like all clubs, volunteers are always in short supply and I emphisise the word volunteers. You take what help you can get and although you explain and write things down, sometimes it just dosn't compute. I know discrepancies also acour when marshall change over happens. But the alternative is spending the entire day on the event like I did on Wombats and getting wrecked but ensuring consistancy. I put in a 11 hour day and walked up with every car. Some are not prepared to do this.
The propery at SORRA limits us with what we can do with the terrain. But we consider you have sufficient time to inspect the tracks from Friday and while the event is running to maybe catch a line. Unfortunately the terrain is giving in on the Saturdays events and we shall possiblyconsider replacing them for next year. As for the recovery team, again long days and volunteers.(or lack of) something the Nissan Club can't spare. But in their defence my team worked bloody hard recovering I reckon 100 of the 112 trucks.
Thats my 4 CENTS worth. (They doubled my pay from last year !)

Miss Wendy

em willowglen may have seemed dearer but it actually worked out cheaper than the trials, for willowglen we got free entry for all drivers navigators, their families vehicles , the support vehicle, the team manager and we had a couple of free passes left for spectators, the vehicle classes where fairer and the courses where better too as they were drive able and not just set up so the spectators could see roll overs and vehicle damage, i heard several people say thay wouldnt compete in the trials again because it was too hard core.

[hypo]

yeah i was also dissapointed by a few things..

like old yella says bout the dudes wif track bars being in mod class... y wasnt here vehicles inspected properly at scrutineerin ??? seeems simple 2 me ??

i believe that there was WAY 2 many cars 4 the amount of people runnin the show 2 handle, the best way 2 overcome this is limit the amount of competitors, the even will run smoother coz of less congestion and the competitiors and spectators will b more enthused..

the thing that really pissed me off bout waitin 4 events was, 95% of time either me or my navi was within site of my rig will quein and we missed out on watch alot of the action, now there were lots of people that did this and wen we get upto the start gates 2 b pushed back in the line byt he likes of the more well known drivers like duncan scott and the other more well known guys because they couldnt b bothered waitin way down the line and not c anything and just went straight to the start gate thats BULLSHIT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! if they not in line 2 bad and like the marshalls continually said all day if u not at your rig and u get que jumped then 2 bad, mayb u should flash your money elsewhere big boys and get a life.


the other thing that was really noticable this year was the different rules 4 the little guys and big guys. i got stopped 4 hittin a pole and 3 guys right behind me did the same and got let thru wots the deal ????

also i noticed that some people where allowed 2 take reverses or multi points turns at different stages on the track than others i witnessed a few people that took back and fills where i got stopped 4 not bein able 2 make the turn coz of my steerin...

all that aside i did have a good weekend, its just that there r a lot of issues that need 2 be addressed 4 next year

PS. rezook, i didnt even start my last event on sunday nite till 545

[hypo]

gtwebbie, so did u have anything 2 do wif the bangin on the side of my tow rig and fark knows wot time on satty with a certain little busted face lookin electritian ???

i woke up and the missus is sayin if u say anything 2 provoke him your outside 4 rest of nite

hahahh wot a pisser

[MY45]

Guts didn't seem in the best of moods today either, must be missing his wheel-time

That may be due to the fact that he and i went campfire hopping on friday night got back at 4 then on sat night same thing but got back at 3 ,thats a total of 5hrs sleep for the weekend plus GUTS had to drive down to MELB to pick up cheezy thursday night .Had a pissa if a time around the camp fire as there was a f@rk whit driving his VL doing donuts for about 30mins .But the peice tala rasistance was when it came to the attention of GUTS and CHEEZY that the little c@nt that was giving them as much curry as he could at stage 1 i think turned out to be the bloke driving the VL and when he turned up at our campfire u should of seen his face(GOLD GOLD GOLD). Cheezy quitely and calmly invited him to sit down next to him for probly the best part of 2 hrs and by the end if it he still didn't know weather or not cheezy was going to cream him (sorry bad pun)All in all had a great time must say thakx to the boys in our camp CHEEZY ,GUTS ,DAZ ,GLEN and molly for a great weekend and also the fellas that helped me and a coulple of others move that f@cking rock at the end of stage 1 that the officals kept directing people around.( note to self )photo copy a newbies guide to recoverys and give to appropriate marshalls and certin recovery personall.

Hey i was there as well...giving glen a godd beating How funny was it when that smart arse was invited to sit with cheezy hahahaha THATS TOPS

[Webbie]

gtwebbie, so did u have anything 2 do wif the bangin on the side of my tow rig and fark knows wot time on satty with a certain little busted face lookin electritian ???

i woke up and the missus is sayin if u say anything 2 provoke him your outside 4 rest of nite

hahahh wot a pisser

I sure was but hey if you had of been given the arse out of bed the worse thing that could of happened was that you would have had to start drinking and putting up with our bullshit so, In retrospect it would of been you in the shit our bullshit. I should thank you for not hopping out of the sack as that extra hour of sllep was grouse

[Old Yella]

gtwebbie, so did u have anything 2 do wif the bangin on the side of my tow rig and fark knows wot time on satty with a certain little busted face lookin electritian ???

i woke up and the missus is sayin if u say anything 2 provoke him your outside 4 rest of nite

hahahh wot a pisser

I sure was but hey if you had of been given the arse out of bed the worse thing that could of happened was that you would have had to start drinking and putting up with our bullshit so, In retrospect it would of been you in the shit our bullshit. I should thank you for not hopping out of the sack as that extra hour of sllep was grouse

at least Scotty and I had a brew with you and Guts
we didn't let our team down

[Webbie]

gtwebbie, so did u have anything 2 do wif the bangin on the side of my tow rig and fark knows wot time on satty with a certain little busted face lookin electritian ???

i woke up and the missus is sayin if u say anything 2 provoke him your outside 4 rest of nite

hahahh wot a pisser

I sure was but hey if you had of been given the arse out of bed the worse thing that could of happened was that you would have had to start drinking and putting up with our bullshit so, In retrospect it would of been you in the shit our bullshit. I should thank you for not hopping out of the sack as that extra hour of sllep was grouse

at least Scotty and I had a brew with you and Guts
we didn't let our team down

Yep you's two can fly the flag proud, But maybee staying lessons in drinking is required for others

[turbo gu]

the reason for the count to 3 timeout is that we cant time the stage due to insurrance problems. i think something along the lines of it would make it look like a race which it isn't but yes it does incourage flat out driving. maybe allowing short stops along the way might be the way to go if we can do it.
thanks POS for the input. hopefully we can improve the event for next year
about the that guy giving cheezy crap on event 1. it was gold the look on the idiots face when cheezy thru open his door,ripped off his harness ready to belt him

[Miss Wendy]

Miss Wendy,

do you happen to have the finalised results you could post up for all please?

Am working on it but some of the relivent people were still there till Monday avo cleaning up and stuff.....soon.

[Miss Wendy]

Miss Wendy
Please don't take this personally,cause this
is not aimed at you.I understand that it is voluntry
work,But when you have marshalls that count you
out while you are still moving,Thats just down right
wrong.(stair way)There was at least 50 people to back
us up and also video footage.

And when you drive to a point and and stop with your
leading hub past the point marker and they don't give
you the points you earned,All because the marshall's
did'nt read the rules,(correct if im wrong RULE 14)
And we where also told by chris that to reduce the chance
of marshall differances,that most marshall's where on the
same course all day.And to have the marshall's turn a blind eye
to certain competitors,thats absolute garbage,And this did happen on many occasions,and it was as obvious as hell.
we took both of our disputes up with chris chapman and
nothing was done...

As for inspecting the tracks on friday,We wanted to go
and have a look and where told NO,especially with all
the bunted off areas at the top of the power lines....

And this is my opinion only,the recovery team really needs
to get there act together,They need to be trained in recovery,
I know it is all voluntry,But i can't beleave some of the recovery techniques
As for the tracks,Yeah sure they are hard,but not everyone
wants to go and destroy there pride and joy,Don't get me wrong
i really the like and enjoy the challenge,But come on be realistic.
Those wombat holes where never driven before the event....
The stairway was an out right car wrecker.



This is my 2 cents worth....

No offence taken.
Tell us how to fix it.
I will seriously take it all to the next NT meeting....
Please also remeber all of this is not compulsory. The guys can go as hard as they like or stop when they like and take the points but those male hormones kick in and the boot goes deeper...?......

[Old Yella]

On a lighter note

congrats to Guy Holt

he was behind me in the line up all weekend so I got to see
most of his stages and he drove everything well

Great drive mate

[Hekta]

Did anyone get a picture of that kickarse esky trolley with the big wheels on it so they could drive it around all the rough ground ?

[Miss Wendy]

the general consensus between our club members and other club members was that this years trials where a little bit too extreme, and that the vehicle classes werent real fair, now i thought about putting my name into the hat to have a run in our club team, and after seeing this years event im glad i didnt, with 33in tyres and a couple of inches of lift i would of been up against cars with 6in lifts and tyres up to 38in, hardly fair in my opinion. not only that, in most events standard cars had to run the same course as those with 44 in boggers, and those with 44 in boggers couldnt even drive the whole course, what chance do those of us that arent mega rich with lesser vehicles stand.
i witnessed at least 15 rollovers with at least 3 vehicles total write offs, i heard several other people from other clubs complaining and talking about putting together a petition about toning it down for next year.
after all it is supposed to be an inter club event that the average guy can be competetive in. there are other events for huge trucks, like Tuff Truck and Woodpecker.
to me it seems like Chris Chapman and the Nissan club are only interested in the spectators dollars by designing courses that create maximum vehicle damage and heaps of roll overs. it will come to a point where people wont want to have a go if its not toned down a bit, fair enough run the big trucks, but run them up a seperate track to the smaller ones

Some good comments.
You guys need to remember that this was the 16th Trials (2 in one year)we always had carnage, always had rollovers. yes the tracks have got harder but trucks have gotten bigger too. We did almost nothing to the Saturdays events except re-route around some of the chewed out stuff from last year. But like I said earlier the terrain limits us with what can do. I also said that those tracks will be considered for a rest next year which means we need to come up with 4 new events. So any suggestions other than swap the cans or wetlap, I'm happy to take them to the meeting.
By the way if anyone would like to volunteer to be the test dummy seriously let me know it can be arranged although you won't be driving on the actual w/e though.

[Old Yella]

the general consensus between our club members and other club members was that this years trials where a little bit too extreme, and that the vehicle classes werent real fair, now i thought about putting my name into the hat to have a run in our club team, and after seeing this years event im glad i didnt, with 33in tyres and a couple of inches of lift i would of been up against cars with 6in lifts and tyres up to 38in, hardly fair in my opinion. not only that, in most events standard cars had to run the same course as those with 44 in boggers, and those with 44 in boggers couldnt even drive the whole course, what chance do those of us that arent mega rich with lesser vehicles stand.
i witnessed at least 15 rollovers with at least 3 vehicles total write offs, i heard several other people from other clubs complaining and talking about putting together a petition about toning it down for next year.
after all it is supposed to be an inter club event that the average guy can be competetive in. there are other events for huge trucks, like Tuff Truck and Woodpecker.
to me it seems like Chris Chapman and the Nissan club are only interested in the spectators dollars by designing courses that create maximum vehicle damage and heaps of roll overs. it will come to a point where people wont want to have a go if its not toned down a bit, fair enough run the big trucks, but run them up a seperate track to the smaller ones

Some good comments.
You guys need to remember that this was the 16th Trials (2 in one year)we always had carnage, always had rollovers. yes the tracks have got harder but trucks have gotten bigger too. We did almost nothing to the Saturdays events except re-route around some of the chewed out stuff from last year. But like I said earlier the terrain limits us with what can do. I also said that those tracks will be considered for a rest next year which means we need to come up with 4 new events. So any suggestions other than swap the cans or wetlap, I'm happy to take them to the meeting.

pleeeezzze do away with the mud event, it only kills your pride and joy

[dave]

You know what annoys me , all the bitching about the event!
Its to hard
It costs to much ect ect.
If you dont like it dont go. then the rest of as wont have to wait in lines for so long.
As for it being to hard, what do you wont every truck to finish every course. All the rollovers i saw where throw driver error not the course. drivers punching it at the wrong time or continuing to drive when they maybe should of stopped and though do i wont to fuck my truck.
I was in open and only runnning 35s and all but 1 course had to run exactly the same courses as outlaw.I enjoyed the challange and out driving much bigger trucks with way bigger meats under them.
As for recoverys i know there slow and some time extremly hard to understand why there going about it the way they are but there the only club willing to do the job so give them a break, i sure there trying to do there best to get you out with NO damage although it sometimes occure.

[AussieCJ7]

Here is my post from another board

as to how hard the tracks are well we screwed up a couple and did ok on others but didnt score a 100 all weekended so not sure I agree they are too hard but too much man made stuff to break trucks

Personally I was not impressed

12 to 13 hrs wait for a totall of about 20 min drive time is not a well run event IMHO
we ran our last event for day 1 at 1930 and Coops left before the last event of day 2 as it was going to be a similar time

sure the tracks were pretty good and the big credit to the guys who ran the event they had a tough job and they have listen to past year competitors and taken away the reversing and extra mud event but there was too many competitors for the style of tracks and no staging control to keep the running orders or allow a fair line up. This ontop of waiting a massive amount of time for recoveries means too much sitting around and waiting

Next year I would suggest a very heavy penalty system( like minus 200 points) for ANYONE running out of order without lodging notice to the track official (due to breakage etc)

They need more escape tracks as in most cases the competitors could back out of the spot they were in then if the was an escape track they would have been clear of the track.

Where ever possible let the competitors recover themselves a number are winch challenge veterns that have high speed winches etc and could clear the track pretty quick and use the recovery team for the reall big stucks and rolls etc.

Define the meaning of no forward progress and have an offical time keeper with a watch etc as many of the tracks had different ideas of how long 3 seconds is and there was no consistancy

All of this of course is simply my opinion and not meant to bag out the organisers but rather some contructive critisim

[MYV84B]

Those dickheads given shit to everyone and doen doughnuts in the VL were camped next to us ,That was fine ,we packed up Sunday morning to find they had rolled a tyre of the rim and decided to jack there car up in front of our truck then proceed to fark of leaving us bloked in
We had to ask other campers to move to allow us to get out !!!
Needless to say when he got back his wheel brace , and jack handle had miraculously disappeared !!!!!!!

[zookjedi]

You know what annoys me , all the bitching about the event!
Its to hard
It costs to much ect ect.
If you dont like it dont go. then the rest of as wont have to wait in lines for so long.
As for it being to hard, what do you wont every truck to finish every course. All the rollovers i saw where throw driver error not the course. drivers punching it at the wrong time or continuing to drive when they maybe should of stopped and though do i wont to ***** my truck.
I was in open and only runnning 35s and all but 1 course had to run exactly the same courses as outlaw.I enjoyed the challange and out driving much bigger trucks with way bigger meats under them.
As for recoverys i know there slow and some time extremly hard to understand why there going about it the way they are but there the only club willing to do the job so give them a break, i sure there trying to do there best to get you out with NO damage although it sometimes occure.

i agree dave , the courses should be hard /challenging else whats the point ? i had i believe the smallest/crappiest tyres in the whole comp 31" retread muddies , but they weren't my biggest draw back , it was my lack of inspecting the track or not enough of the track (feels pretty dumb when you run into a tree because your to stupid to look at the arrows and turn to early )

it requires a different driving style than i usally have but i suppose thats all part of the event , to adjust driving style where and when needed .
as for the courses running along with the open outlaw class etc in parts who cares ? if you don't make it you've got an excuss if you do make it well how good does it make you feel ?

seriously some of the counts etc were very questionable and the tracks might have favoured certain rigs but unless your there in a serious effort to WIN and not for the fun and the experience than why worry , i think there shouldn't even be a points adjustment , we all compete and our placing should stand as a result of vehicle driver navi combination . want more points build your rig differently or pic better lines etc , points are only bragging rights.

look at screwy in standard class on 33's gave it all a good go wether or not its he's normal driving style he did well , and had fun no doubt , so he didn't win was he expecting too? i think not. could he have done things differently to improve his score with out damaging his rig? (i believe so ) and thats what its all about giving it ago looking back and learning how to do better , i know i would do a few things differently .
(good drive screwy hope you don't mind me using you as a point of example )

as for recovery some of the recoverers listened other new best , how you recover a patrol is usally very different to a zook , maybe if they just ask the drivers opinion (as good chance he's been in this situation before ) as what he thinks would be the quickest and easiest way out ? just a thought

[bogged]

Would having say 2 driver representitives in each state that people can use as a 'voice' to organisers be an idea? Like they have in every professional form of motor sport.. top level car and bike racing etc

That way they can meet with the Organisers 2-3 months after such meetings, by that time, the drivers could have sent in 'reports', or comments on such competitons.. Not just the Trials, but ALL competitons.

Then these Reps can raise concerns, suggestions, pats on the back for great work done, smack in the back of the head for stupid things, letting the organisers know of things that work and didnt work, and maybe making suggestions on how to MAKE things work..

Sorta working together to get the sport moving.


Good or stupid idea?

[83 lux]

One thing that shiats me about helping fix other people shiat is that whilst we are doing our best to help others and do the best with what we have, there are people out there that want to put shiat on us.Gonads and I will help anyone we can no mater what club if it means they can keep competing.
I spent nearly 3 hours trying to make one good diff centre out of three different centres so someone could keep going the next day and a certain out of state visitor was running around saying it was dodgy.As I am sure he has never rebuilt a diff in his life.So to thta person ( as I know he will read this ) unless you can do a better job then shut up and keep your comments to your self.
SAM

The comment came from me yes but it was not to offenend sam i simple said to ben the "he would have to get the center looked at and rebuilt
'.Was not having a go at sams skills i was just telling ben to get it looked at every one has to take this a little to far. OK it might be "dooge" but what else can you do in this type of situation. WELL DONE SAM!

To Sam and every body that helps others at comps.
i am one to always help someone that needs to be fixed
i have no real skills and have never rebuilt a center in my life and nor do i no how to rebuilt one i did how ever help bens dad work on his car.
Thanks to sam and everybody else keep up the good work and i hope my comment will be forgotten
Sorry
Scott

[turbo gu]

thank you dave and zookjedi. well said

[Dozoor]

Gee there must be heaps of new clubs , 120 entrants -
Thru 8 tracks in two days, 3 classes coalating a scoring fornat that allows
3 classes To compete on the same tracks with the possability of any class winning, Then cleaning up everyone elses crap after.
A REALLY big Job.

I say To the nissan club, and helpers .

Unified scoring is really important from a competitors view .
The trial have always been held under a simaler approach
Vehicle will get damaged , people should know this before they enter
if you entered before seeing the event well
The Job they do is getting bigger and bigger to bring the Trial,s to us.
They do the work for the love of the sport and there club,
Lets face it how many of you guys ,would sort the shitters out on sunday morning , With your own guts already in ya throat from the night before

Big Thanks to the NIssan Club ,
Larry.

[grimbo]

recoveries are a tricky thing in any event. Thge problem comes down to what happens if the recovery team a doing a quick recovery and end up doing more damage to the vehicle. They are doing a tough job that runs the risk of further damage to the stuck vehicle but also to their own vehicles in the case of winch trucks etc.

[Gigantor]

Whilst most out there are winers,
I would just like to say one thing...............
Go the On All 4's Club !!

Winners of the 2004 trials.

and LONG LIVE the BIG RIGS......

Forget the bitchin, most of us have experience the unfair calls and irregularity of the NT officials, but all in all it was a TOP weekend.
I rolled my rig last trials, I've had unfair calls in the past.

I'll be there next year with Gigantor.
Regards Shane

[MD4x4]

This years trials was the first our club has been to as we are only 8 mths old. For us it was an awsome experience. I drove in standard class in "The Burrow" SWB Patrol. I have to say that on Friday evening we walked the tracks for day one and I was shitting myself all night. My first track was "Big W" so I was trying to mentally prepare for this. Due to the congestion on the tracks we ended up doing track No. 2 first. (As directed by the Marshalls) we did not do very well only 20 points but this was enough to get rid of the nerves and we went back to "Big W" and drove to just before the 60 point marker.
For our club we went there not really knowing what to expect. We were thrilled to be a part of it. The general consensus of the drivers around us was that it was a lot harder than previous events. Our club sustained its share of damage but thankfully no rollovers. Most of our cars are our daily drivers so to be able to drive away was a good thing. We went down not expecting much only that we hoped not to finish in last place in the club placings. We hoped to use this as a learning experince and try to come back in 2005 to be more competitive in our classes. I am personally happy with how we went and will hope to back up next year if I am selected into our clubs team.

In my opinion the time delays were caused by the amount of recoveries needed over the weekend not by the amount of drivers that were competing. If I remember right cars were finishing in the dark in 2003 as well with less teams entered.

Congrats to On All 4's for taking out the event. Congrats to the Patrol Club for being able to run the event. Sure there were some problems but I am sure these will be addressed before next year.

Regards

MD