Soa v's overkills 5 link for a MQ Ute

[pongo]

My entire front end is worn out. poor old patrol has got over 300,000 kays on it. I am trying to figure out if its worth redoing front end and SOA , or just pay the extra $$$$$$$ and get overkill to 5 link it. Also any idea what the enginerrs think of the 5 link setup. All critisism is welcome. the more info i can collect the better

Cheers

[stool]

I think spend some money on well sorted leaf springs ive seen some work very well for sh$t load cheeper than coils and 5`link and flex up a storm like a GYM JUNKY

[pongo]

who would be the people to see about some new leaf springs? I'm down here in no-mans land and refuse to let people here work/help with my cars.
Still havent herad back from overkill . i am not prepared to spend money with people who dont like answering back!. So, it looks like a SOA might be on the cards if i can find an enginer in this town who is intrested in helping.
Cheers

[Tiny]

It doesn't cost much to freight from Sydney or melbourn. Shop around in both and get some gear shiped out.

In Sydney, try carrols springs as they are not so called 4x4 people so don't charge like one.

otherwise try ant 4x4 mob in Syd or the rainy city

Tiny

[Daisy]

who would be the people to see about some new leaf springs? I'm down here in no-mans land and refuse to let people here work/help with my cars.
Still havent herad back from overkill . i am not prepared to spend money with people who dont like answering back!. So, it looks like a SOA might be on the cards if i can find an enginer in this town who is intrested in helping.
Cheers

From what ive heard... SAM @ overkill is moving factories.. so bear that in mind.. Otherwise just give him a call instead of PM or email if you have been doing so.

TOM

[Screwy]

i personally believe for the amount of money involved ( if u pay to get it done ) a 5 link front is waaaay over rated.

If u SOA the front so u have some clearance then reduce the leaves u will get as much flex if not more from the front of an MQ than a 5 link setup.

the rear however is different.
A 4 link rear would be a much smarter decision if desiring coils.
Even after SOA and leave reduction etc. the improvement in the rear isnt as good as in the front.

screwy

[MereMale]

If u SOA the front so u have some clearance then reduce the leaves u will get as much flex if not more from the front of an MQ than a 5 link setup.

the rear however is different.
A 4 link rear would be a much smarter decision if desiring coils.
Even after SOA and leave reduction etc. the improvement in the rear isnt as good as in the front.

screwy

Is this what you've done Screwy??
Or u still got the SOA on the rear??

[ozy1]

Screwy cant make up his mind what he wants to do, he has spring over all round, but now he wants coils rear, so i tried to talk him into a 4 link set up, and he kept telling me he wanted a 3 link set up, now all of a sudden its now to a 4 link,

he doesnt know what he want............he couldnt make up his mind, he will end up using both so he will have a leaf sprung 7 link

[Screwy]

If u SOA the front so u have some clearance then reduce the leaves u will get as much flex if not more from the front of an MQ than a 5 link setup.

the rear however is different.
A 4 link rear would be a much smarter decision if desiring coils.
Even after SOA and leave reduction etc. the improvement in the rear isnt as good as in the front.

screwy

Is this what you've done Screwy??
Or u still got the SOA on the rear??

at the moment i am running Soa all around. Am doing shackle reversal front shortly and droping my rear hangers etc. to get some flex. i am also running 3 leaves for improved flex all around.

I am happy with the leave setup i have worked out in the front. Will be even happier with the reverse shackle as i can adjust the shackle angle to wat i want.

the rear is not so sucessful. i have plans to do a coil rear next year some time when i get some holidays built up and some money.
not sure as yet whether i will run 4 link or a frame.
ill deside that when the time comes i think.
both work well.

talk to wendle about 4 link
talk to cheezy about a frame

screwy

[kc_ksom]

Pongo

Talk to Patroldude, he has a SOA setup for sale.
Casey

[MereMale]

Pongo

Talk to Patroldude, he has a SOA setup for sale.
Casey

Sorry but I think that one has been sold and is going down to Melb

[MARKx4]

Im the same as screwy. Im happy with the front but the rear is crap. Im going coils in the rear with a 4 link instead of a-frame. Just got to decide if im going to put GQ diffs under it as well.

[Screwy]

Im the same as screwy. Im happy with the front but the rear is crap. Im going coils in the rear with a 4 link instead of a-frame. Just got to decide if im going to put GQ diffs under it as well.

i cant personally see the gain in GQ diffs. there is only one major gain which is they are wider.
and the front diff is stronger.

SO....

Just get custom offset rims at $60 each they end up wide as

the GQ diffs cause wrong driveshaft angles and the rear is no stronger that that of an MQ.

Its only worth doing GQ diffs if u do the gearbox as well...... and even then its only a benefit coil wise.
the centres are higher ratiod than MQs and u can still get lockers for MQa

The only other benefit is the bottom coil mounts are already there, but its not all that hard to weld up new ones on the MQ diffs.

Mark,

i question to u is if u go GQ diffs ( not my decision for above reasons ) its better to do MQ diffs.......

I already know u will coil the rear, but will u coil the front as well or just cut off mounts and make leave???

screwy

[ozy1]

Im the same as screwy. Im happy with the front but the rear is crap. Im going coils in the rear with a 4 link instead of a-frame. Just got to decide if im going to put GQ diffs under it as well.

i cant personally see the gain in GQ diffs. there is only one major gain which is they are wider.
and the front diff is stronger.

SO....

Just get custom offset rims at $60 each they end up wide as

the GQ diffs cause wrong driveshaft angles and the rear is no stronger that that of an MQ.

Its only worth doing GQ diffs if u do the gearbox as well...... and even then its only a benefit coil wise.
the centres are higher ratiod than MQs and u can still get lockers for MQa

The only other benefit is the bottom coil mounts are already there, but its not all that hard to weld up new ones on the MQ diffs.

Mark,

i question to u is if u go GQ diffs ( not my decision for above reasons ) its better to do MQ diffs.......

I already know u will coil the rear, but will u coil the front as well or just cut off mounts and make leave???

screwy

okay, for a starting poiint, you stated there was only one advantage, but in reality, you stated two,

Also, When you are using GQ diffs, you will be setting up yout pinion angle, to you desired measurements, which, will not allow you to use the standard spring mounts, these will need to be cut off, otherwise, you will end up with a curve in your spring, not nice indeed,

Also, with GQ diffs, i believe you will end up with as much width as you will from havinf your cetres cut and rotated on your rims,

Okay, having the entres cut and rotated isnt a bad idea, but can you drive distances on these? can you buy replacements easily? no!

if my measurements on trackwidth are correct in my manual, it states WMS on the MQ at the 55" mark, i believe the WMS on the GQ is around the 62" mark, this gives us 7" of increase, centres flipped gives you around 3" each, so 6", GQ diffs, will give you and extra inch, which gives you extra stability,

Okay, you still want flipped centres, lets say hello to 13" of increased track, now, that would be nice, ful;l flex, tyres will rb, on the paint work, nice

[redzook]

who would be the people to see about some new leaf springs? I'm down here in no-mans land and refuse to let people here work/help with my cars.
Still havent herad back from overkill . i am not prepared to spend money with people who dont like answering back!. So, it looks like a SOA might be on the cards if i can find an enginer in this town who is intrested in helping.
Cheers

From what ive heard... SAM @ overkill is moving factories.. so bear that in mind.. Otherwise just give him a call instead of PM or email if you have been doing so.

TOM

thats right Sam is moving shop and his house ATM he is definaty busy
u would be better off to ring him

94766137

[drivin-it]

in reality u would b better off just buying a cheap GQ shorty for bout $5000

othr than that , a properly setup 5 link with coils will def out do a leaf sprung vehicle.....and ride much better.......and u dont have to worry about fatigued leaves from bending back an forth

another point on the GQ diffs
u can legally put them under an get your width with standard 8inch rims etc etc

flipping centres on rims to increase track isnt as safe and certainly isnt legal

[ozy1]

in reality u would b better off just buying a cheap GQ shorty for bout $5000

othr than that , a properly setup 5 link with coils will def out do a leaf sprung vehicle.....and ride much better.......and u dont have to worry about fatigued leaves from bending back an forth

another point on the GQ diffs
u can legally put them under an get your width with standard 8inch rims etc etc

flipping centres on rims to increase track isnt as safe and certainly isnt legal

Another one, in vote for my ideas Jeff!!!!!!!!!

Bu in reality, buying a cheap GQ defeats the purpose, as some uf us already have the MQ, and having a coil sprung MQ is better then the GQ, as there arnt quite so many, these truck will be built, not bought, you have the satisfaction of sayin, i built this!

[Wendle]

the GQ diffs also give you high pinion front, bigger wheel bearings front and rear, bigger axleshafts front and rear, and rear discs.

still probably not worth it though. the MQ stuff is ok.
you would also have to outboard your front springs to fit the GQ stuff in. the rear shaft will also have a bit of sideways angle in it, which will be ok, but i haven't seen anyone try to get it past the RTA as of yet?

[redzook]

the GQ diffs also give you high pinion front, bigger wheel bearings front and rear, bigger axleshafts front and rear, and rear discs.

still probably not worth it though. the MQ stuff is ok.
you would also have to outboard your front springs to fit the GQ stuff in. the rear shaft will also have a bit of sideways angle in it, which will be ok, but i haven't seen anyone try to get it past the RTA as of yet?

lux diffs in a zuk pass they have a compound angle

[Wendle]

the GQ diffs also give you high pinion front, bigger wheel bearings front and rear, bigger axleshafts front and rear, and rear discs.

still probably not worth it though. the MQ stuff is ok.
you would also have to outboard your front springs to fit the GQ stuff in. the rear shaft will also have a bit of sideways angle in it, which will be ok, but i haven't seen anyone try to get it past the RTA as of yet?

lux diffs in a zuk pass they have a compound angle

cool, it must be about the same angle too, cause MQ rear diff in suzuki's is just about dead on straight.

[MARKx4]

Screwy,

Thats sounds fair enough. I would stick with leaf front. I just want to be able to get diffrent gear ratio's. If i locate a set of 4.8's out of a ute, wouldnt i recquire to get new axles, because they have more splins. If thats easier ill do that. Does the 4.8's fit into our housings or are they bigger? Were do you get the rims done in that case?

[Screwy]

Screwy,

Thats sounds fair enough. I would stick with leaf front. I just want to be able to get diffrent gear ratio's. If i locate a set of 4.8's out of a ute, wouldnt i recquire to get new axles, because they have more splins. If thats easier ill do that. Does the 4.8's fit into our housings or are they bigger? Were do you get the rims done in that case?

the rims can be done at a few mobs. personally not sure of the names
but i know guys who have done it and i can find out easily....

if u fit 4.8s u will need the shafts as well.
but one thing to note. u wont get much of an increase on 4.8s from 4.6s and they are far rarer and cost much more ( they are also weaker as they have smaller teeth for hiegher ratio )

if u break one ur in abit of turd as they are expensive and rare.....

[Screwy]

in reality u would b better off just buying a cheap GQ shorty for bout $5000

othr than that , a properly setup 5 link with coils will def out do a leaf sprung vehicle.....and ride much better.......and u dont have to worry about fatigued leaves from bending back an forth

another point on the GQ diffs
u can legally put them under an get your width with standard 8inch rims etc etc

flipping centres on rims to increase track isnt as safe and certainly isnt legal

Another one, in vote for my ideas Jeff!!!!!!!!!

Bu in reality, buying a cheap GQ defeats the purpose, as some uf us already have the MQ, and having a coil sprung MQ is better then the GQ, as there arnt quite so many, these truck will be built, not bought, you have the satisfaction of sayin, i built this!

Woopie doo u get larger track width. there are disadvantages to this ( ie the wombat holes on trials ).

Doesnt change the fact that MQ diffs are strong enough, they are in the right spots with the right driveshaft angles, and they are faily easy to coil. Not to mention u can still get lockers easily and they have far higher standard gearing than GQs.
The only costs in coil with MQ is the mounts, arms and coils and possibly shaft.....

If u do a GQ box and diffs ( lets start from enginer shall we )

- Bellhousing bolt up ( MQ bellhousing dont bolt onto GQ box ) No one makes a GQ box to SD33 or L28 motor adapter ( nor wood they ), so if u want to do GQ box u need to either make up custom adapter ( which means new clutch mods, or go a V8 and get a new bell adapter with all its odds and sods.
- then u need to fabricate new gearbox mounts
- then u have to mod the floor for the shifters etc.

then u have to drop a GQ rear in that u have to cut the coil mounts off of anyway ( y not just weld some onto MQ, no cutting involved??? ) to adjust for ur castor. then all ur arms and bushes and top spring mounts etc. then fab a shaft

What about lengthen wheel base??
MQ has a 92 inch wheelbase. Miles too short. they bob up in the rear on down hill as is, much less going coils
So do u want to lengthen the wheelbase???
more shaft adjustments, completely new mount locations and crossmembers then shock mounts and brake lines etc. etc.

cause u do the rear u have to do the front for ratio reasons and trackwidth.
MQs didnt come out with the same ratios as the GQ in the diffs.

front diff?? Steering will all need to be re done, all new mounts and arms and shafts, cut mounts for castor ( steering is the biggest pain ).

Then u have the other way which is use MQ box.
Which means all the above work is the same sept u can cancel the box order and take up a Stupid driveshaft angle which looks ugly and dodgy and when u lift it u will be binding it on 2 axis.
as i said earlier u can do up OR side, not both.
u will incure large vibs if binding on 2 uni axis. and will break unis etc. often.

Not to mention with the shafts MQ shafts may not bolt up to GQ diffs or box or wateva so adapters or gq shafts will need to be bought and modded.

all up with box u could be looking at 4K to 5k if u did it urself
without GQ box, 3K- 4k ( if done urself, plus the labour )

There are a few small advantages of going this way, but the main one is the track width. and for the massive cost and the labour and time is it really worth it?

a coil sprung MQ on MQ diffs wil work just as well with regards to flex.
-u dont have to cut mounts off. just weld em.
- dont have to worry about steering ( cause u have to do both GQ diffs if u go one, mainly for ratio reasons. mq front didnt come out with same ratio as gq rear )
- MQ diffs have higher ratios than GQ diffs.

And the main one....

MQ diffs are gunna cost u under $1000 in bits and parts if u do it urself to fully do a 4 link rear.
another $1000 for front if that.
and thats allowing alot.
So ur better off my over half the money for a better offset?!?!

so u lose thousands and lose crawl lose hours and hours in labour and gain wat? Some big track width???
with for say under 1 K u can just buy wheelspacers and offset rims if y want.... not legal but saves lots of money

YOUR idea shawn,
isnt all that smart really.... just WANK factor, that U biult it and its different as u said.
there is no MAJOR offroad benefits cept offset really and if u go the gear box option, crawlers can be fitted.

So ppl may support the idea of GQ diffs, and it is a good one..... as there are benefits....
There are alot of negatives and more positives to just using MQ diffs.
and for those of us on a budget, Its easier and cheaper to go with MQ stuff.

My perception of the facts.
Id like to here whether ive missed out on anything here?
just trying to state both sides of the story.

screwy

[ozy1]

Jeff,
and all this will have no effect on the wombat holes at trials, look at all the lux's hey are are around the same width as stock MQ's, how far did they get, yup, you got it, not very far, this wont make much of a difference, as with this set up, your be driving the open/outlaw lines anyways.

as for the arguement for diff ratios, have you never heard of a 4.625 let alone 4.88, which will give you exactly the same crawl ratio, if not better with the 4.88's. If you were doing one diff, you may as well have both, if you are going to spring over the MQ diffs, you still need to go with the hi steer conversion, you may as well do this on a GQ diff, that way, if you want to make the effort, you can make your own steering arms. If you want to coil the front, you can also use your MQ swivel housings, and do that conversion that way you will have full free space for all links.

the only downside that you have put out so far, is the fact that your rear shaft is gunna be offset. Really, when i comes down to it, its a comp truck in my case, not really a big issue, also, if i go the way i wanna go, i will be extending the wheel base, which in turn, decreases you shaft angles will it not?
also, with the wheel base issue, id see no dramas, stretching it out to say the 100 to the 105 mark, which i would be more than happy with. fi you want a full boddied rig, it may take some work, if a wanna chop it into a ute, there will be even more space,
so anyway, you do it your way, with your big offset wheels, and your wheel spacers, which you will never get engineered,
and maybe, when i get a chance ill do it my way, with my track increase, which will be legal, casue i will be able to get it engineered,

I will be visiting an engineer in two weeks to run my ideas by him, as i want to get a few things sorted before i start

Tail shafts would have to be modded anyways, for the extra ride height, so if i were to lenghten them, i could also put a GQ flange on the diff end.

by the way, while i was in the bankstown area today, there was a gark green MQ sittin in some guys drive way, which i want to go have a look at next week, it is sprung over, and it does seem to have a centred rear diff in it, running flat spring pack, and what seem to be 33's

MQ diff with coils will work just as wellas with GQ diffs, have ou taken into consideration on the extra forces applied when having the extra width, all comes back to physics i believe

Another bonus for taking this route for me, is when it comes to trials time, i will be able to pull my lockers from my GQ and chuck em into my MQ, can i do that at the moment? NO,

At the moment, thinking all this through, the positives seems to out weight the negatives by a long way, i have one negative so far and the is tail shaft angles,

please give me more negatives!

[bucket'o'bolts]

pfffffft coils why would you want them lmao j/k


i was gonna go coils in mine but i now have my father in law importing air bags so my obvious next progression was what (airbags lmao) well i might me using that craig lowndes is gonna bring his airbag shorty down to our workshop in a few weeks im gonna go see how well it works and how difficult it is to do and maybe probably more than likely definately go with air bag idea not to mention i am gonna ditch my swb body get a ute body either mq or gq and puch my rear diff as far back as possible which is ok cause i have not got tailshafts made yet to suit the 302c conversion which i am doing


thank god i bought another car recently 4months my mq has been off the road now and a hell of a lot longer it will be now lmao

[pongo]

Ok guys,
Seems to be leaf up front and maybe coils in rear. it is a ute so coils could hinder load carrying ability. might have to comprimise somewhere in the rear. For all the hassle to put GQ diffs in i might as well buy a GQ. If i go to spend that sort of money ill jump back over the fence and buy a Overpriced landcruiser and go that way.
Overkill did infact read my email 20 mins after sending it( receipt sent ), so not too busy to read but too busy to make a sale? . They musnt like money much !. i wont complain though cause if they go broke from lack of sales itll be there fault anyway.

Thay way things are going itll be ages b4 i can get into it anyway,bloody things keep popping up and keeping me broke.
Cheeers, and keep the info coming.

[Screwy]

please give me more negatives!

COST, TIME, and LABOUR are the primary disadvantages of GQ diffs, and The driveshaft angles are just another negative.

The cost of just the Diffs will set u back nearly $3000.
the coils and mounts and arms will be another $1000 - $1500 easy
The steering could be another $1000.

If doing both u will not have to worry about diff ratios, true.
BUT
U WILL go from 4.6's to 4.1's. which is crap on 35's..... ( right Ryan. not rbzook. )

So u will need to spend money on centres. Another $1000 - $1500??

Drive shafts Another $600 ( right Mik ) - custom and balanced.

Lengthening the wheelbase.... More dosh.

The cost of doing this Would set u back soooo much money its not funny.

U would do far better off cust going and getting a GQ SWB for $5000 for a comp truck

However....

If u do GQ diffs FRONT AND REAR and leave the front, coil the rear u will save lots of money on arms mounts and steering and get the offset u want. Still need the centres though.....

If i was to do this, id buy a GQ SWB and just start with it.

The only other reason i can see y u would want to put GQ diffs undernieth is if ur having gearbox problems constantly behind V8s ( too hard to mate GQ box to stock MQ motor, can buy V8 kits )
Then u go a GQ box. can get rockhoppers too then.
then to elimate the anglese u can do the diffs with this.

at the end of the say shawn u will end up with a $15000 ( after lockers and all ) rig that u will roll just the same as any other and for $5000 u could have got a GQ if u want coils soo bad.
Wow its different. it will still have no major advantages apart from the offset....

and sure urs will be legal. Mine will be too. Ill just put the rims on after ive done it. as long as they are in the flares and i have a cert the cops will leave me be


It comes down to this:

The CHEAPEST, EASIEST coversion for the MOST PERFORMANCE ( by a long way in the money department ) IS to COIL THE MQ REAR and leave the front as Leaves. It works fine.

screwy

[ozy1]

Jeff,

You seems to forget,
Cost, will be there, as the GQ diffs are needed, yes,
looking at doing all of the work myself with the help of my father, so labour is definaly NOT there,
TIME, i definatly do have as the car isnt really needed till Trials next year,

Now Ratios, In my GQ next year, i will have my duel ARB's, with 4.6's mounted to them, so, i take them from my GQ and i put them in my MQ,
there we have just reduced locker and gearset cost.

Drive shafts........well, depending on how far i wanna stretch the wheel base, maybe there is a possibility of a LWB drive shaft, may be shorten one if that,

The front will still be leaf, but pushed forward, which you use a drive shaft from a LWB, but not one from a Divorced transfer set up as they are way long,

Why will lengthening the wheel base cost so much money, if i was turning it into a ute anyway, which im considering, and puttin coils in, its al new mounts, and it wont matter where i mount them, so when you think about it, the cost is still the same.

Now, a GQ SWB as a comp truck, i still wanna lengthin the wheel base, so i need ot convert it to a ute, for that price, it will also be petrol, i dont want a petrol, i will also wanna 4 link it in the rear anyways, then will need to 5 link the front.

Now, looking at that, going the GQ route seems okay, but more expensive, as my car cost me 2g's, and the GQ will cost me another 3g's if i can get 2'g's for the MQ, for the extra 3'gs i can have me GQ diffs with spare cash for all my materials,

If i roll the MQ im not that worried, bodys are cheap, if i roll the GQ bodys are more expensive,

You truck will never be legal on the road with Wheel spacers so when you crash, you ass will be nailed to the wall, mine, i will not, third party will cover me, and not you,

NOW ONCE AGAIN, OU HAVE LEFT ME WIT ONLY ONE DISADVANTAGE, TIME FOR YOU TO TRY AGAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!

you are back to where we started

[Screwy]

mate i disagree that i am back to the start.

U PERSONALLY mat have answers for ur own little shit bits.

I am not arguing with u as such. I am stating an arguement for all outerlimits readers to read.

Not all of us have the advantages for $3000 in diffs in the GQ to solve that wen ever u want.....
most would have to spend another $300 more than u ur self.

1 disadantage is COST against doing it on MQ diffs.
Even for u the cost is higher to do GQ diffs and coil the rear of an MQ.

another is offset shaft angles.

with regards to time. i wasnt talking about u personally and the fact u need ur truck.
i was reffering to the fact that u will be working on it every weekend for the next 8 months spending all ur time working on it.
AND
Im sure ur dad will be willing to help u, but im not so sure about how keen hed be working in all his spare time on ur rig for months....
He was starting to get grumpy enough just while u stopped for 5 mins in making ur sliders cause he wanted to call it an arvo...

Yes u have the time. But if u were to charge someone for u to do it on someone wats ur time worth to u? $50 an hour? maybe more ?
if u spend lots of hours on ur rig..... u will be down that much anyway.

I split up with my missus cause i spent too much time on my cars....
I will never do that again. and im sure Most guys on here dont want to be spending that amount of time working on it either.

Doing an MQ rear will take a weekend for someone who knows how to weld.

besides i wont use wheelspacers, just offset rims. and ill be fine.
its a comp rig as u said, barely gets driven. ill be lucky to get it insured in the first place.....

The arguement is not against u. Its stating a point of view about this conversion for all the guys reading this.

most on here would agree if they wanted to do coils they would coil a rear MQ diff.
Its cheaper, less time and labour involved and it works just a well.

u say i have one disadvange.... i have at least 3. and 2 of em are massive ones.

wat advantages are there in doing GQ diffs if the gearbox is fine???
u have one major one. Talking for all guys in general. which is offset.

FOR U personally u have the lockers to suit. But for most guys on here they arnt so lucky so they have to spend that $3000 that u dont.

U shawn may personally be better off with GQ diffs. Just like MkPATROLGUY would be.

but most of us would not be better off going this way.

I know i wouldnt. Ive already spent the money on lockers for example, and ive spent it on high steer.
for me to do it i lose 4K ontop.

u havnt dont steering so its only once and u have lockers.
U doing it may be better for u. But keep in mind that its probably not a better option for most of the rest of us.....


screwy

[OVERKILL ENG]

My entire front end is worn out. poor old patrol has got over 300,000 kays on it. I am trying to figure out if its worth redoing front end and SOA , or just pay the extra $$$$$$$ and get overkill to 5 link it. Also any idea what the enginerrs think of the 5 link setup. All critisism is welcome. the more info i can collect the better

Cheers

Yes I have been busy moving lately so I havn't had much time to do quotes via email but in answer to your question the websight is wrong the 5 link setup is for a GQ not MQ Sorry for the inconvenience
SAM