Duel Fuel Patrol better than no Patrol at all?

Post by **4WRNING** » Sun Nov 21, 2004 4:19 pm

Guys...

Was thinking of looking around for swb 88-90 diesel patrol, but these seem rare, or is it im just looking in all the wrong places but im finding a lot of duel fuel ones...

How many guys out there lover the petrol version over the diesel. The only advantage im seeing is a little bit more punch up hills...

Advices?

lee

Post by **4WRNING** » Sun Nov 21, 2004 5:20 pm

...if i can just add to this.

cant seem to find kilowatts and torque outputs for both tb42 and td42? Do both have same running gear, and how does the TB42 go with steep inclines/declines?

ANy help?

Post by **4WRNING** » Sun Nov 21, 2004 5:22 pm

...if i can just add to this.

cant seem to find kilowatts and torque outputs for both tb42 and td42? Do both have same running gear, and how does the TB42 go with steep inclines/declines?

ANy help?

Post by **ozy1** » Sun Nov 21, 2004 5:25 pm

TB42 is around the 125Kw 325nm

TD42 is around 86kw and 265nm

Post by **Beastmavster** » Sun Nov 21, 2004 5:27 pm

I would never EVER have considered a secondhand diesel.

MY personal opinion of course.... but there's a few others who have stated similar views.

A diesel will cost you way more to start with... and that pays for a LOT of petrol.

Diesels are FAR more expensive to service, maintain and repair.

Post by **chimpboy** » Sun Nov 21, 2004 5:28 pm

For performance even the overweight, low-reving TB42 slaughters its diesel equivalent.

Petrol has 125kw and 323nm of torque, diesel has 85kw and 264nm. Personally I think that's more than a "bit more punch" - it's a lot. Huge mileage is available from both diesel and petrol before a rebuild.

Gearbox etc are essentially the same for both.

My TB42 has given no trouble with steep inclines; a dual fuel would be even better.

The diesels have their merits, but you will find it hard to find a diesel shorty and the dual fuel is really a good option.

Jason

Post by **Bartso** » Sun Nov 21, 2004 6:10 pm

personally i wanted a diesel then i settled for a petrol wish i waited for a diesel to pop up now i have a V8 very good

Post by **chimpboy** » Sun Nov 21, 2004 6:14 pm

Bartso wrote:personally i wanted a diesel then i settled for a petrol wish i waited for a diesel to pop up now i have a V8 very good

Yeah I reckon V8 conversion is the way to go. It's a pity that there was no REALLY good engine option on a GQ, just a couple of okay ones (and a couple of terrible ones!)

Jason

Post by **4WRNING** » Sun Nov 21, 2004 6:23 pm

Thanks for advice guys... Think a petrol 4.2 mite be allright, and as you all say, its still a good base and then wack a fuel injected v8 in at a later stage...

Been reading through thread re. exhaust options for a duel fueler, notice with extractors and straight through exhausts you can pick up a little bit of extra power.

Questions:

Will a larger exhaust affect engine braking on steep decents (looking at 35's anyways, so just fix it up with different low range gears)

What is a straight through exhaust, is it a system with no muffler? (legal issues?)

Will a snorkel has same affect on a petrol as a diesel?

How much better fuel economy in a SWB over a LWB?

thanks again...

Post by **Bartso** » Sun Nov 21, 2004 6:25 pm

yea thats right i would look at it all differently now i would of bought a dud petrol a dud that i new was a dud and put a V8 in straight away

Post by **Rainbow Warrior** » Sun Nov 21, 2004 8:33 pm

You can get a lot of punch out of an turbo/intercooled TD42, if you can spend the cash.
Although the diesel will always win on fuel range per litre, the TB42 is a good solid donk capable of taking a heap of abuse & high milage and also capable of plenty of tyre chirping grunt with a few mods, V8 would be better of course, but then a turbo TB42 is no slug and an easier install, only problem is dumb insurance companies who will cancell your policy if you fit a turbo, but not bat an eyelid for a 350 chev conversion :roll:

If a double lockered petrol is having problems on anglesl you need some carby repairs or are probably somewhere you shouldn't be, there's always injection available too.

Post by **Red Rover** » Sun Nov 21, 2004 8:46 pm

Most of you know my opinion. Now having the TD42 turbo with 800nm of torque compared to the dissapointing petrol........diesel any day. No more carby problems, no more issues with gas way outback, no duel fuel tuning, no expensive fuel bills and better reliabilty with diesel. IMO. I reckon that one day Rainbow Warrior will own a diesel. Took us years to get him into a patrol.......his day will come

Post by **Rainbow Warrior** » Sun Nov 21, 2004 9:19 pm

Red Rover wrote:Most of you know my opinion. Now having the TD42 turbo with 800nm of torque compared to the dissapointing petrol........diesel any day. No more carby problems, no more issues with gas way outback, no duel fuel tuning, no expensive fuel bills and better reliabilty with diesel. IMO. I reckon that one day Rainbow Warrior will own a diesel. Took us years to get him into a patrol.......his day will come

Say's the guy who halfway round the Yandina Gymkana wanted to convert back to petrol

Post by **4Speed** » Mon Nov 22, 2004 9:41 pm

Hmmmmm I tell you what, when your 8 hour's inland and in some place that you can't spell, it's alot easier and cheaper to get diesel.

I just drove a GQ with a TD42 last friday, it was a 90 model, had 40k on the clock, and drove better than the GU I brought and the GQ I had which had a TB42...... alittle less power, but man it loved step hills.

Post by **Rainbow Warrior** » Mon Nov 22, 2004 11:13 pm

4Speed wrote:Hmmmmm I tell you what, when your 8 hour's inland and in some place that you can't spell, it's alot easier and cheaper to get diesel.

I just drove a GQ with a TD42 last friday, it was a 90 model, had 40k on the clock, and drove better than the GU I brought and the GQ I had which had a TB42...... alittle less power, but man it loved step hills.

I also heard of people only able to get petrol at outback servo's because the diesel supplies had run out.

Post by **viperguy** » Tue Nov 23, 2004 6:28 am

last few weeks there have been about 5 td42 motors, some turbo some na in the sydney trading post. there are also any number of gq swb and lwb that could be bought for under 5g after negotiation..considering a low km deisel swb will still get over 12g if i was shopping now id be buying the cheapest ptrol i could find according to condition then put a deisel in it..

but after having said that i wouldnt swap my straight gas tb42 for anything at the moment.. after i took the time to set it up properly and fit second tank for range it is a awsum truck..lpg is available from most out back servos now, and its only getting better.. the only down side is u cant put gas in a jerry or drums for added fuel storage,,but u cant have everything can u...

Post by **XXL Maverick** » Tue Nov 30, 2004 4:20 pm

It all depends on what you are going to use your vehicle for. If you are going to be doing some long distance outback touring, cape york etc, then a diesel makes better sense, as the economy is better and you can carry more fuel. Especially when fuel is $1.50/L in some places. If you are only going to be doing weekend trips and shorter trips, then consider a dual fuel option. My dual fuel 93 GQ mav gets about 400km to a tank of LPG and only costs about $40 to fill up. I haven't had any problems with mine at all. The money I saved on a petrol over a diesel is going to pay for my airlockers!

Post by **BIG GQ** » Tue Nov 30, 2004 6:41 pm

I own both and would choose a diesel. Fit a turbo (if you can afford it) and you will never look back.

Ooh and yes a petrol patrol is better than no patrol at all.

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