To have a EXO or internal roll cage or both

Post by **Bartso** » Sun Nov 21, 2004 9:14 pm

hey guys woundering what you reckon wheather i should make a exo cage around the cab i like this cause it looks after the body
a internal which looks after the body to a certain extent
or should i get both will this make the vehicle top heavy

Post by **RV80** » Sun Nov 21, 2004 9:17 pm

why not just start with a decent roll bar, brush bars
and rock sliders and go from there.

Post by **Bartso** » Sun Nov 21, 2004 9:24 pm

well i will have brush bars and sliders no matter what but if im putting on a exo cage the brush bars and roll bar wil be built differently to what it would normally be

Post by **hypo** » Mon Nov 22, 2004 5:09 am

i think in a single cab rig like your GQ ute and my single cab luxy, unless u r short like GUTS then it is 2 hard 2 get an internal cage in there without loosin 2 much leg room, thats the reason i went 4 an exo as well as the fact that if u have an exo and u lay over onto a bank or rock ledge or wotever u can continu drivin on ya side until u right yourself or roll it more with out doin body damage(if the cage is built strong).

but theses r just my thougts....

Post by **Damo** » Mon Nov 22, 2004 5:52 am

Internal cage and exo would add too much xtra weight IMO. Exo should provide enough occupant protection if built properly.

Post by **Bartso** » Mon Nov 22, 2004 6:09 am

some of the comps require you to have a roll cage would the exo be ok to run in comps as all i have seen is internal roll cages for comps

Post by **Bingham** » Mon Nov 22, 2004 6:25 pm

i would agree with all the above and would like to hope that a decent exo would be sufficient!!
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Website · Post by **killalux** » Mon Nov 22, 2004 7:00 pm

winch challenge events must be an internal cage

Post by **hypo** » Mon Nov 22, 2004 7:06 pm

dont some comps say that the cages needs 2 b CAMS approved ?? an i dont think that an exo can be CAMS approved ??????

i mayb rong its just wot i have heard around the camp fire :armsup:

Post by **RUFF** » Mon Nov 22, 2004 7:09 pm

hypolux wrote:dont some comps say that the cages needs 2 b CAMS approved ?? an i dont think that an exo can be CAMS approved ??????

i mayb rong its just wot i have heard around the camp fire

Sam Keck said that he had someone that was willing to Cams approve some Exo Cages. Depending on the designe.

However some of the Winch challenge Comps are not only going by Cams rules but are using some of there own. I know to do an Extreme Winch Challenge you need to have an internal Cage. Even an approved external wont be accepted.

Post by **Bartso** » Mon Nov 22, 2004 7:12 pm

i to have herd you need internal roll cage for some comps i know its a stupid question but how much damage will happen in a roll over with a good internal i mean will it be a write off or easily fixed i know it depends on the roll i haven't seen to many rolls thats all what have you guys seen and what damage

Post by **ludacris** » Mon Nov 22, 2004 7:22 pm

Go internal and if you look at a photo of Birdy at the last alpine challenge he had steel bars bolted on protecting his sills and his front pillar. An internal should hold your pillars straight enough to repair panel damage.

Post by **antt** » Mon Nov 22, 2004 7:25 pm

from the rolls i've seen when the car doesn't have an exo, it is usually an expensive and/or time consuming exercise to get the car back into normal shape.
even light, slow rolls can crack windscreens, tweak pillars so that the glass wont go back in, and doors wont open or shut properly. sure, with an exo ya will still get scratches and dings, but it should protect the main structure of the cab, and keep it useable after multiple flops/rolls

Post by **Bartso** » Mon Nov 22, 2004 7:27 pm

both good points i really wanted the exo for protection of the structure where is a photo of this protection on birdy's

Post by **Screwy** » Mon Nov 22, 2004 7:53 pm

I will run an Exo as they protect my panels and i hate panel damage, regardless of the fact that my rigs always seem to have it. :oops:

Internals can be good, but u still get your dings and dents etc. u just keep the body straight. They also restrict leg room as hypo said...

but external keep straight doesn restrict leg room and protects panel work... The onlt down side is u cannot run in Winch challenges..

I personally will compete alot but not in winch challenges so i dont need an internal.

screwy

Post by **Bartso** » Mon Nov 22, 2004 8:03 pm

i gues i should decide what i am going to compete in what events don't require a internal roll cage guys

Post by **TUFFRANGIE** » Mon Nov 22, 2004 8:30 pm

Post by **Bartso** » Mon Nov 22, 2004 8:46 pm

ok after seeing that im not sure how much protection it would do in a roll over why not just go for a full exo
how much protection would this offer the cab in a roll over

Post by **Screwy** » Mon Nov 22, 2004 9:38 pm

a full exo would nearly garuntee that u get no damage apart from things like side mirrors in a roll over.
thats if its designed and biuld / supported properly.

screwy

Post by **Bartso** » Mon Nov 22, 2004 10:15 pm

well looking at birdy's protection how much protection will that have

Post by **antt** » Mon Nov 22, 2004 10:33 pm

2/5th's of fark all in a real roll. i reckon those bars are primarily on there to scrap past trees in the winch challenge events

Post by **Thor** » Mon Nov 22, 2004 10:39 pm

antt wrote:2/5th's of fark all in a real roll. i reckon those bars are primarily on there to scrap past trees in the winch challenge events

seems so because of the single mount ½ way down the A pillar

Post by **Guy** » Mon Nov 22, 2004 11:30 pm

I would say that those external bars attatch to the inner cage .. so they would be great at keeping the windscreen frame and door frame area etc strong

Post by **bru21** » Tue Nov 23, 2004 5:21 am

i.m doing both. exo's arne't heavy. like 40kgs. put effort int to fuel tank and duel battery lowering, and you are close to where you started. cams spec isn't that strong or heavy either. buila a well designed exo and a mininum internal. most utes have a heavy rear hoop, high tray, scrub bars anyway so full exo is not alot heavier

cheers bru

Post by **Bartso** » Tue Nov 23, 2004 7:16 am

i spose as the only weight going up is up the a pillar and on the roof my tray has to be a bit higher than average as im going to put my spare tyre under it due to how short it is or i can keep it where it is put the tyre on top and fit boxes on either side of the tray

Post by **grimbo** » Tue Nov 23, 2004 7:41 am

I have an exo on my Zuk as it protects around the windscreen area as this would be the hardest most expensive area to repair in a rollover. I have already lent it on the corner a couple of times with no damage to the screen. Also I've run it along the side of a tree. There was no way I could have even got an internal cage into the cab

Post by **Screwy** » Tue Nov 23, 2004 7:41 am

that small pair of bars wouldnt be very strong at all i doubt.
good for protecting against bumps and knocks etc.
btw bartso, ur rig is looking good mate.

screwy

Post by **Bartso** » Tue Nov 23, 2004 5:11 pm

Screwy_ScrewBall wrote:that small pair of bars wouldnt be very strong at all i doubt.
good for protecting against bumps and knocks etc.
btw bartso, ur rig is looking good mate.

screwy

Cheers well i have decided i am getting the exo first then see what comps come up and if need be put a internal in as well as bru said i don't reckon there would be too much top heavy weight

Post by **J Top** » Tue Nov 23, 2004 8:28 pm

Birdy's pics aren't very clear but it seems to me he has a chassis mounted roll bar connecting to the body , surely a recipe for broken body mounts.
I am looking at building an exo for a GQ Ute at the moment and wonder how to get the front bars to the chassis without fouling the radius arms and still having enough strength to protect the body.
J Top

Post by **Bartso** » Tue Nov 23, 2004 8:33 pm

if your talking about the bars running up the a pillar i was thinking to mount it to the brush bars along side of the guard

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