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New tyres on a GV.

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New tyres on a GV.

Post by -Scott- »

OK - I did search for this info a few times, and didn't find much, so I'll post what I now know - whether you're interested or not. :P

A mate of mine is a the proud owner of a (recently acquired) '02 (?) Grand Vitara, and uses it! :twisted:

He very quickly discovered the stock tyres are a little lacking in the off-road stakes, so went looking for something better. As most of you undoubtedly know, there's little available in 235/60-16s. After finding a few comments, and obtaining advice from tyre dealers :oops: this morning he had fitted a set of BFG muds in 235/70-16.

They fill the guards very nicely, but now the vehicle looks like it's been lowered. :P

The spare on the rear door fills the cut-out on the bumper so nicely you'd swear it was designed for it (was it?)

And we went for a play. :D

After taking 15 minutes to clear a fallen tree :roll: we hit our first climb, and he quickly heard tyres hitting something. Eventually we discovered that under compression the edges of the lugs were catching the edge of the plastic trim on the rear doors, where they wrap around into the wheel wells. Some of the mounting clips are now broken, but it shouldn't take more than a few minutes work to cut back the trim for clearance.

We've also found that the tyres are sometimes rubbing down the face of the rear mud flaps - no big deal, although eventually he'll probably wear through one of the little plastic clips holding them in place.

We haven't identified any problems at the front - yet. :roll:

The extra weight appears to be too much for the shock absorbers to control - he was getting sideways on corrugated bends which previously didn't faze the car. But as he needs a suspension lift :D he'll replace the shocks then anyway.

His speedo is now 10% out. We don't know why that much, as from calculations we expected a 7% error.

He doesn't find the noise at all objectionable, even at 110km/h on the Bruce Highway.

The change in gearing is quite noticeable, both for pulling up hills and engine braking down hills. I'm about to search for info on crawler gears. :)

He's already noticed that the extra clearance means he doesn't bottom out where he used to - so a suspension lift will be even better.

The extra grip is awesome. The only time he lost traction was on a small rutted climb in a little play area that he previously wouldn't have contemplated - and that was only because his spotter gave him bad directions (my right - not his...:oops: )

So there you have it - lots of information you probably never wanted to know, but hopefully it'll help somebody some day.

Cheers,

Scott
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Post by christover1 »

We have a few GV's in our club that get used offroad, too.
Tyre fitment is the biggest difficulty.
I'm sure they will appreciate your input.
I don't know of any gearing solutions, but somebody may.
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Post by Beastmavster »

We have a heap of GV's and vitaras in our club and are in brissy.

Worth checking out what some of them have done for ideas.

the plastic trim always seems to catch at various points... easy to trim neatly though.

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Post by RIKSTR »

Im running 2" TOUGH DOG springs
Long TOUGH DOG front struts (no need for spacers)
Rancho 9000X rear shocks
1" Body lift
255/70 16 BFG Muddies
I only needed to do alittle trimming and was able to leave all the plastics on
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Post by Huggy »

give me your email and ill go take some pics of mine
im running 245/75/16 mtrs with a little trimming and a 2 inch body lift soon to be put in a 2 inch spring lift
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Post by -Scott- »

Update:

After being told by the tyre store to run 36psi, he discovered that somebody (no names...) had left them all at 50psi. :x Ride is a little smoother now, and traction even better. :D

He's trimmed the plastic back, and now the metal guard edge is chewing out his tyres - time for mister hammer to earn his keep...

It'll be a month or two before new springs are affordable, so we've discussed either some Monroe pump-up shocks or some of those ring spacers to go in the spring seats as interim solutions - any thoughts?

I'm not sure if a body lift is an option just yet - I don't think he's too keen on the idea, sometihng about a warranty...

Cheers,

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Post by Beastmavster »

In the end I ditched my coil springs and went with coil spacers instead.

You should be able to get coil spacers in 15mm or 30mm.....
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Post by GV_Qld »

I've got some 245/75R16 on my GV (the one in Beastmavster post) no BL. The BFH fixed the guard rubbing problem, just a spring lift will not help. I have calmini 2.5 lift plus 30mm spacers. If he doesn't want to do the BL or use the hammer than making the bump stops longer would be the next best thing.

I've found that 30psi rides best on road, 16 offroad with MT/R's
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Post by GV_Qld »

Huggy wrote:give me your email and ill go take some pics of mine
im running 245/75/16 mtrs with a little trimming and a 2 inch body lift soon to be put in a 2 inch spring lift


Who did your 2 inch BL? did you have any problems doing it? I've been trying to order bigballs 3 BL inch lift.
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Post by Chicken Legs »

After much investigation i found that 225/75r16 tyres fit under the guards of a xl7. They should also fit under a GV just as well.
The 75 profile gives me about the same ground height as a 235/70 but the 225 width just clears the bits and pices under the guards.
The only problem is this tyre size is only available from a few manfactures.
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Post by Huggy »

me and a mate did my body lift wasnt too hard to do took 1/2 a day
just have to lengthen the steering arm and move bullbars and bumpers
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Post by PRZOOK »

I have been running BFG Mud 235/70 R16's for a fair while now. Threw in an OME 1" lift, 1" home made body lift, cut back the front plastic a little and never had a rubbing problem. The 1" body lift isn't noticable, and the bumpers both front and back stretch over the 1" gap.

You should be able to get away with only spring lift fairly easily. I went the other way, and had the body lift in before the springs.

As for gearing, I have either got very used to it, or my memory is fading, because I don't remember it being that dramatic. If anything, it has helped increase my fuel economy having the bigger tyres.

You say your mate won't do a body lift because of warranty, yet he is happy to change the gearing? I thought gearing would have the same affect on the warranty.
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Post by -Scott- »

There are some things I don't try to understand.

Thanks for the info - if a 1" lift is relatively easy he may be more inclined to go for it.

Cheers,

Scott
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