Xover steering

[Da Lux]

how hard is it to fit without droppin the front hangers? i know guts didnt drop his but it looks pretty tight. is the chaos xover easier to fit without droppin hangers or tha snake? and droppin hangers not an option, too hard to pass pits

[cbr]

how hard is it to fit without droppin the front hangers? i know guts didnt drop his but it looks pretty tight. is the chaos xover easier to fit without droppin hangers or tha snake? and droppin hangers not an option, too hard to pass pits

I think it will be pretty hard to fit hysteer without drop hanger. With standard x-over like from choas you will be able to do it. I have standard x-over without drop hangers, it's tight but fits. The trick is to use a flat pitman arm and rotate the box as high as you can. I use a 80 series arm.

You are in WA I have heard from the guys from OL in balcata (when they where doing lane change test) that the engineer prefered the standard x-over arm rather then hysteer. He is saying that there is too much leverage. This is second hand info so not sure how true it is!! You need to get approval from DPI before doing the job!

Also people are having alot of problems with snake arms. look at this post http://www.outerlimits4x4.com/PHP_Modules/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=34074

Chris.

[beebee]

You can get away with stock hangers as long as you have no flex. I have dropped hangers and the pitman is fairly tight against the chasssis but my TRE is still bent from impacting the spring.

[MissDrew]

You can get away with stock hangers as long as you have no flex.

I call BS, I have high steer, great flex (approx 21 inches) and standard hangers. There is one spot during steering movement and suspension circal that it JUST touches but I can`t remember where the steering has to be or where the suspension has to be or where it touches, FARK I have to finish this pos and get to driving it again It touches by such a little amount it doesn`t effect it, well not that I have noticed.

[tomsoffroad]

You are in WA I have heard from the guys from OL in balcata (when they where doing lane change test) that the engineer prefered the standard x-over arm rather then hysteer. He is saying that there is too much leverage. This is second hand info so not sure how true it is!! You need to get approval from DPI before doing the job!

I had problems with too much leverage. Snapped 1 knuckle stud and the rest were loose. New stud and some thread lock seems to have fixed the problem though

[slosh]

Running super short pitman arm helps- there is a factory toyota one- ask NICK.

[tomsoffroad]

I'm running a 75 cruiser pitman arm ( nice and flat ) with a tapered sleeve to suit a standard hilux ball joint and a shortened hilux tierod as a drag link.

[STUMPY]

I'm running a 75 cruiser pitman arm ( nice and flat ) with a tapered sleeve to suit a standard hilux ball joint and a shortened hilux tierod as a drag link.

I was using a hilux tierod as a drag link and bent it first day out with 35's. second time it snapped where i tried to sleeve it. go a heavy duty one now, much happier

[Da Lux]

how hard is it to fit without droppin the front hangers? i know guts didnt drop his but it looks pretty tight. is the chaos xover easier to fit without droppin hangers or tha snake? and droppin hangers not an option, too hard to pass pits

I think it will be pretty hard to fit hysteer without drop hanger. With standard x-over like from choas you will be able to do it. I have standard x-over without drop hangers, it's tight but fits. The trick is to use a flat pitman arm and rotate the box as high as you can. I use a 80 series arm.

You are in WA I have heard from the guys from OL in balcata (when they where doing lane change test) that the engineer prefered the standard x-over arm rather then hysteer. He is saying that there is too much leverage. This is second hand info so not sure how true it is!! You need to get approval from DPI before doing the job!

Also <a href="http://www.ntsearch.com/search.php?q=people&v=56">people</a> are having alot of problems with snake arms. look at this post http://www.outerlimits4x4.com/PHP_Modules/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=34074

Chris.

cheers can u put sum pics of ya steerin up for us just to get a visual

[Da Lux]

You can get away with <a href="http://www.ntsearch.com/search.php?q=stock&v=56">stock</a> hangers as long as you have no flex.

I call BS, I have high steer, great flex (approx 21 inches) and standard hangers. There is one spot during steering movement and suspension circal that it JUST touches but I can`t remember where the steering has to be or where the suspension has to be or where it touches, FARK I have to finish this pos and get to driving it again It touches by such a little amount it doesn`t effect it, well not that I have noticed.

tell me about it bought me car 8 months ago, ended up bein tha biggest lemon, spent to much time fixin and ponderin than drivin it, but the ends worth the time (not tha money but )

[cbr]

how hard is it to fit without droppin the front hangers? i know guts didnt drop his but it looks pretty tight. is the chaos xover easier to fit without droppin hangers or tha snake? and droppin hangers not an option, too hard to pass pits

I think it will be pretty hard to fit hysteer without drop hanger. With standard x-over like from choas you will be able to do it. I have standard x-over without drop hangers, it's tight but fits. The trick is to use a flat pitman arm and rotate the box as high as you can. I use a 80 series arm.

You are in WA I have heard from the guys from OL in balcata (when they where doing lane change test) that the engineer prefered the standard x-over arm rather then hysteer. He is saying that there is too much leverage. This is second hand info so not sure how true it is!! You need to get approval from DPI before doing the job!

Also <a href="http://www.ntsearch.com/search.php?q=people&v=56">people</a> are having alot of problems with snake arms. look at this post http://www.outerlimits4x4.com/PHP_Modules/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=34074

Chris.

cheers can u put sum pics of ya steerin up for us just to get a visual

Sorry don't have any pics.

Chris.

[Aza]

how hard is it to fit without droppin the front hangers? i know guts didnt drop his but it looks pretty tight. is the chaos xover easier to fit without droppin hangers or tha snake? and droppin hangers not an option, too hard to pass pits

I think it will be pretty hard to fit hysteer without drop hanger. With standard x-over like from choas you will be able to do it. I have standard x-over without drop hangers, it's tight but fits. The trick is to use a flat pitman arm and rotate the box as high as you can. I use a 80 series arm.

You are in WA I have heard from the guys from OL in balcata (when they where doing lane change test) that the engineer prefered the standard x-over arm rather then hysteer. He is saying that there is too much leverage. This is second hand info so not sure how true it is!! You need to get approval from DPI before doing the job!

Also <a href="http://www.ntsearch.com/search.php?q=people&v=56">people</a> are having alot of problems with snake arms. look at this post http://www.outerlimits4x4.com/PHP_Modules/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=34074

Chris.

cheers can u put sum pics of ya steerin up for us just to get a visual

Sorry don't have any pics.

Chris.

give me 5 min and i'll get some pics of mine

[Aza]

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[bubs]

i am going to use a 2WD hilux pitman arm, it is flat almost 1/2" drop, has a tapered hole in it for the drag link and is only about 4 inches long

[cbr]

i am going to use a 2WD hilux pitman arm, it is flat almost 1/2" drop, has a tapered hole in it for the drag link and is only about 4 inches long

Mine is pretty much the same, but I am using an 80 series pitman arm which is flatter and I have angled the box slightly to the arm just misses the frame.

Chris.

[bubs]

i am going to use a 2WD hilux pitman arm, it is flat almost 1/2" drop, has a tapered hole in it for the drag link and is only about 4 inches long

Mine is pretty much the same, but I am using an 80 series pitman arm which is flatter and I have angled the box slightly to the arm just misses the frame.

Chris.

i had an 80 series arm I found this one and seams a better deal, it is shorter which is good when you have pushed your axle 5.5" forward

[Da Lux]

i am going to use a 2WD hilux pitman arm, it is flat almost 1/2" drop, has a tapered hole in it for the drag link and is only about 4 inches long

Mine is pretty much the same, but I am using an 80 series pitman arm which is flatter and I have angled the box slightly to the arm just misses the frame.

Chris.

so yours doesnt hit at all

[Da Lux]

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wat double arm is that, chaos?

[cbr]

i am going to use a 2WD hilux pitman arm, it is flat almost 1/2" drop, has a tapered hole in it for the drag link and is only about 4 inches long

Mine is pretty much the same, but I am using an 80 series pitman arm which is flatter and I have angled the box slightly to the arm just misses the frame.

Chris.

i had an 80 series arm I found this one and seams a better deal, it is shorter which is good when you have pushed your axle 5.5" forward

From the pic it looks like I have pushed my box forward a bit more. But I have only moved my diff forward 1.5" . So this would help with the 80 series arm.

Chris.

[cbr]

i am going to use a 2WD hilux pitman arm, it is flat almost 1/2" drop, has a tapered hole in it for the drag link and is only about 4 inches long

Mine is pretty much the same, but I am using an 80 series pitman arm which is flatter and I have angled the box slightly to the arm just misses the frame.

Chris.

so yours doesnt hit at all

No

Chris.

[Aza]

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wat double arm is that, chaos?

yep thats the chaos arm, the 2 pics of the engine bay shows the box where the battery will go as the power steer pulley has destrpyed 3 in 6 months....

[tomsoffroad]

bubs
Posted: Sun Jan 16, 2005 9:53 pm

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i am going to use a 2WD hilux pitman arm, it is flat almost 1/2" drop, has a tapered hole in it for the drag link and is only about 4 inches long

The pitman arm off a 2wd Lux which I tried to use had a smaller spline where it bolts onto the steering box. If you find one which fits can you let me know which model to be looking at.

Cheers
Thomas

[HUNTERLUX]

bubs
Posted: Sun Jan 16, 2005 9:53 pm

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i am going to use a 2WD hilux pitman arm, it is flat almost 1/2" drop, has a tapered hole in it for the drag link and is only about 4 inches long

The pitman arm off a 2wd Lux which I tried to use had a smaller spline where it bolts onto the steering box. If you find one which fits can you let me know which model to be looking at.

Cheers
Thomas

i went 2 do the same & the spline was different just like tom said

[bubs]

damn hey, looks like i will have to get my 80 series arm back, i was only going by the fact the nut was the same size

[tomsoffroad]

bubs
Posted: Mon Jan 17, 2005 5:25 pm

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damn hey, looks like i will have to get my 80 series arm back, i was only going by the fact the nut was the same size

Yeah same......... gotto try these things I spose

[MissDrew]

Late 80 or early 100 is what you want, this is what I have on mine. This with the box as high as possible (tie rod end JUST clears the bottom of rail) is how I get away with out dropped front hangers.

[slosh]

I can guarantee you there is a shorter pitman arm than 80 series or IFS Hilux that bolts straight on. Dunno what truck it's off but.

I had one on mine but with a long custom steer arm on knuckle meant I had poor turning circle so I went back to 80 series.

[MissDrew]

Its not shortness that you want, that`ll only make it harder to steer, its the flat ness of the drop that you want, you need to get the tie rod end in the pitman arm all but touching the bottom side of the rail as it turns.

[beebee]

I remember someone (possibly ORI or Nick) telling me that the shortest pitman available was from a diahatsu somethingorother.

Maybe that will jog somebody's memory

I have 2" dropped hangers and my TRE on my draglink acts as a bumpstop. Probably have about 25mm clearence off chassis. TRE is probably bent 20mm. So without dropped hangers, you'll have a fight on your hands but as Guts said - it is possible.

[MissDrew]

Which end of your drag link hits? Drivers?

One thing that I haven`t meantion but should have (I`d forgotten) is I have extended my front bump stops 30mm, but this was done for other reasons not for clearance issuses with high steer. I did the bump stops for tail shaft, shocks and now sump clearance, also since I now want to start doing some winch challenges aswell as rocks I need it setup so it can be jumped aswell as crawl.