The new Cooper looks interesting for an all-round tyre. Due in a few weeks and has a couple of interesting sizes if you're running 17" and 18"rims but not much if you're on 15"s.
http://www.coopertire.com/us/en/Product ... ruck+Tires
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Cooper Discoverer STT
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From what i hear around the place all companies were getiing the s 
its with Good years increased market share since bringing out the mtr so im not overly supprised to see such a change... a few side lugs make the old boys feel hardcore in their standard 100 of gu!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and if their as good 
in the mud as the wrangler then..... they can keep 'em but ok as an all terain
its with Good years increased market share since bringing out the mtr so im not overly supprised to see such a change... a few side lugs make the old boys feel hardcore in their standard 100 of gu!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and if their as good in the mud as the wrangler then..... they can keep 'em but ok as an all terain2015 200 Series Gx TTD - ................ Fark 3L's -
Bingham wrote:Fand if their as good
That's the bit that concerns me - I want STTs as my next tyres, because I'm disappointed in the MT/R's traction on loose surfaces. I'm afraid these new STTs won't be as good.
Cheers,
Scott
NJ SWB wrote:Bingham wrote:Fand if their as good
That's the bit that concerns me - I want STTs as my next tyres, because I'm disappointed in the MT/R's traction on loose surfaces. I'm afraid these new STTs won't be as good.
what options are there in road legal
BFG MT
MTR
STT
Xterrains ( nobody talks of these at all anymore)
?
Personaly I think they might make more money now with the new design, however I do not like the MT/R so they will not be making revenue ofa me..
Reason being I think the major market is with the City Slicker with no reason for a BFG muddy or Symex, so they look towards the less agresive designs, now it is up to the Sales pitch thingy....
Reason being I think the major market is with the City Slicker with no reason for a BFG muddy or Symex, so they look towards the less agresive designs, now it is up to the Sales pitch thingy....
GQ TOURER
Thankful to be able to use the tracks that are left....SHEET where are they........
Thankful to be able to use the tracks that are left....SHEET where are they........
cooper radial STT
bogged wrote:NJ SWB wrote:Bingham wrote:Fand if their as good
That's the bit that concerns me - I want STTs as my next tyres, because I'm disappointed in the MT/R's traction on loose surfaces. I'm afraid these new STTs won't be as good.
what options are there in road legal
BFG MT
MTR
STT
Xterrains ( nobody talks of these at all anymore)
?
I had a set of hancook 33 x 12.5s on my old truck,,,, their nothing flash and are cheap <$220 if guys just want something cheap and nasty.... everyone pulled the piss out of them but i thought they were good for what they were... didnt clog up with mud anyway.... on something like my old 4runner they were more than adequate
Radial claws are legal arnt they? i want to try these next.... for the look value anwway
2015 200 Series Gx TTD - ................ Fark 3L's -
Cooper Tires in the States have a large scale, bitumen and offroad test track. From what I have heard these tyres have been tested and adjusted for about 12-18 months before they were satisfied that they would be a more superior tyre than anything else in it's bracket of the market place. That's the great thing about Cooper Tires... the technology and advances in their ever changing range is really impressive. What I like is that they are forever looking at how to improve their own product.
The construction of the tyre is phenomenal, almost bullet proof IMO and I think they will dominate the mud tyre of choice for a great length of time.
The construction of the tyre is phenomenal, almost bullet proof IMO and I think they will dominate the mud tyre of choice for a great length of time.
I still see a fair few STTs around but they are an old design tyre now.
Since BFGs rep has gone to shit, people are trying a lot of the newer design tyres like the MTRs. If the new STTs incoporate the new design tech available today with their so called "legendary" strength then I'd say there is a fair chance they'll head back towards "the tyre to have" status they once had.
I reckon they look alright, I'd give them a go.
Since BFGs rep has gone to shit, people are trying a lot of the newer design tyres like the MTRs. If the new STTs incoporate the new design tech available today with their so called "legendary" strength then I'd say there is a fair chance they'll head back towards "the tyre to have" status they once had.
I reckon they look alright, I'd give them a go.
KRiS
I have to agree with you their bogged... the STT that is available at the moment is a dated design. It's outlived it's used by date. Everyone loves a new tyre. Its a very reasonable tyre for what it is. There are quite a few people who like them, however they are a little noisy and are pale in comparison to the new design.
Cooper have been upgrading the rest of the range over the last couple of years and have finally gotten around to the muds.
It is a really impressive tyre. They haven't been released in Australia yet, but they have had a couple of trial sets come in that were used and tested in an across OZ trip and in a few other product tests. Sensational results. The guys in the States respect and use the Australian feedback on their products.
Cooper have been upgrading the rest of the range over the last couple of years and have finally gotten around to the muds.
It is a really impressive tyre. They haven't been released in Australia yet, but they have had a couple of trial sets come in that were used and tested in an across OZ trip and in a few other product tests. Sensational results. The guys in the States respect and use the Australian feedback on their products.
Bingham just asked me where I worked and I thought people might not be aware that I have worked for the Australian distributors of Cooper, Mickey Thompson and Swamper. This gave me a lot of insight to the stringent and complete product testing that Cooper and Mickey T do, both on their own tyres and the other brands.
I am back into the retail side of things again now, working at Fourbys in Moorooka.
Just want to be up front so no one thinks I'm being underhanded or anything.
Cheers,
Ryano
I am back into the retail side of things again now, working at Fourbys in Moorooka.
Just want to be up front so no one thinks I'm being underhanded or anything.
Cheers,
Ryano
Just got an e-mail from the distributor regarding my enquiry on the release dates.
I also e-mailed back to invite the distributor to check out this thread and maybe offer some input, so make them welcome ya wankers.
I also e-mailed back to invite the distributor to check out this thread and maybe offer some input, so make them welcome ya wankers.
-----Original Message-----
From: Liesl Pfeffer [mailto:liesl@exclusivetyres.com.au]
Sent: Monday, 24 January 2005 1:26 PM
To: Harrison Kris
Subject: RE: Cooper Info Request from WebSite
Hi Kris,
Wow, it's great to know you're keen to hear about the new STT.
We are right in the middle of doing some test drives with the major 4WD
magazines and there is something so special about this tyre that we haven't
been able to tell them yet! Because we need to have reasonable stocks
available, release to the market is a few weeks off. The first magazine to
have details will likely be 4x4 April issue which is due on the stands March
2nd. Sorry Kris, but I'll have to ask you to wait until then. The Cooper web
site carries a little pre-release information at this URL:
http://www.coopertire.com/us/en/Product ... esAndSpecs
Regards,
Liesl Pfeffer
Exclusive Tyre Distributors
T: (61-7) 3255 6595 F: (61-7) 3272 9588
PO Box 101, Moorooka, Qld. 4105
KRiS
"Secret Squirrel" can be good sometimes to generate interest but we're the ones gunna fork at the big $$$ for the product and a bit of inside info always bodes well to swinging a few "fench sitters".
Mags are all good to get the product on show but it's a closed forum, if you get a bad rap from some wanker journo who didn't get a bit this morning, it can really hurt a product for those people less educated than ourselves. 
At least in a discussion forum you can say "Hey, here's what we've got, what do you think?" and have a chance to take feedback on board and act if need be.
Just my thoughts on the matter ...
Mags are all good to get the product on show but it's a closed forum, if you get a bad rap from some wanker journo who didn't get a bit this morning, it can really hurt a product for those people less educated than ourselves.
At least in a discussion forum you can say "Hey, here's what we've got, what do you think?" and have a chance to take feedback on board and act if need be.
Just my thoughts on the matter ...
KRiS
Know what you mean... The information is better in your hands so that you can make decisions for yourself. Tyre choice in particular is a personal thing. One particular tyre isn't going to suit everyones needs.
The best thing a person can do is build a relationship with a dealer that is knowledgeable, trustworthy and will try to suit the best tyre for your application.
With the big wide web information is fairly readily available nowadays, but it's still the guys fitting them and dealing with them everyday that know how they stand up and perform in the real world. Differing terrain affects tyres in different ways, so getting the information from someone in an area around you is the best option for a more realistic vision of the tyres capabilities.
Cheers,
Ryano
The best thing a person can do is build a relationship with a dealer that is knowledgeable, trustworthy and will try to suit the best tyre for your application.
With the big wide web information is fairly readily available nowadays, but it's still the guys fitting them and dealing with them everyday that know how they stand up and perform in the real world. Differing terrain affects tyres in different ways, so getting the information from someone in an area around you is the best option for a more realistic vision of the tyres capabilities.
Cheers,
Ryano
Hi Guys,
John Pfeffer from Exclusive Tyres here. Hope your moderator doesn't mind a reply to this thread. We try not to get too involved to keep info clear of self promotion. But here goes.
As already noted above, the replacement STT is due in a few weeks. The major magazines are all testing the tyres right now and we'll leave them to tell you what they think. We had test sets out last year and the tour operator who used them gave us a great deal of feedback, all good BTW.
It's taken Cooper quite some time to develop a replacement. The old STT is a dated look but has been a great performer and they wouldn't release a replacement that compromised that performance in any way. It just had to be better or why release it. Well we are sure the new STT will not only be a better performer in the vital offroad arena it's designed for, but it will be better on road too.
There are some new aspects that we are confident will make the STT the outstanding mud/traction tyre of the decade. I'm sorry i can't reveal that here but you will soon read about it after the official release. Thanks for your patience and allowing me to answer some of the questions you all have.
Oh, and Ryano? Thanks for keeping objective in your comments. Seriously guys, Ryano knows a lot about tyres and 4WDriving so i can vouch for his comments.
Thanks,
John Pfeffer
John Pfeffer from Exclusive Tyres here. Hope your moderator doesn't mind a reply to this thread. We try not to get too involved to keep info clear of self promotion. But here goes.
As already noted above, the replacement STT is due in a few weeks. The major magazines are all testing the tyres right now and we'll leave them to tell you what they think. We had test sets out last year and the tour operator who used them gave us a great deal of feedback, all good BTW.
It's taken Cooper quite some time to develop a replacement. The old STT is a dated look but has been a great performer and they wouldn't release a replacement that compromised that performance in any way. It just had to be better or why release it. Well we are sure the new STT will not only be a better performer in the vital offroad arena it's designed for, but it will be better on road too.
There are some new aspects that we are confident will make the STT the outstanding mud/traction tyre of the decade. I'm sorry i can't reveal that here but you will soon read about it after the official release. Thanks for your patience and allowing me to answer some of the questions you all have.
Oh, and Ryano? Thanks for keeping objective in your comments. Seriously guys, Ryano knows a lot about tyres and 4WDriving so i can vouch for his comments.
Thanks,
John Pfeffer
Just thought I'd also throw down the note... the current STT still rated very highly in the recent mud tyre comparo (Yes ok, so they're not sexy. ). Impressive since this particular design has been out in the market place for quite a number of years, and is being put up against other brands that have much more recently released patterns.
). Impressive since this particular design has been out in the market place for quite a number of years, and is being put up against other brands that have much more recently released patterns.
Ryano
I agree that you guy's selling the tyres probably have the best idea of what works best.
My problem is that I don't trust many of these people cause I know that they make more money on some products than other's. This can sometime hide the truth. Or maybe brainwashed by the boss so he makes more money.
Not saying it's all like that but who to trust and who not to when you don't personally know the person.
Steve
I agree that you guy's selling the tyres probably have the best idea of what works best.
My problem is that I don't trust many of these people cause I know that they make more money on some products than other's. This can sometime hide the truth. Or maybe brainwashed by the boss so he makes more money.
Not saying it's all like that but who to trust and who not to when you don't personally know the person.
Steve
I guess that's why we have the luxury of free will, don't like em, don't buy em.
The advantage of having someone here from the AUS distributor is to be able to answer questions directly and based on fact instead of heresay from people who have never seen, touched or used them to date.
Unfortunately, due to vested interest, a little bias can't be helped but that is the same for any product and ultimately the decision is with the buyer.
Personally I've always liked Cooper tyres and will jump at the chance to try a new muddy but that's just me.
The choice is yours ...
The advantage of having someone here from the AUS distributor is to be able to answer questions directly and based on fact instead of heresay from people who have never seen, touched or used them to date.
Unfortunately, due to vested interest, a little bias can't be helped but that is the same for any product and ultimately the decision is with the buyer.
Personally I've always liked Cooper tyres and will jump at the chance to try a new muddy but that's just me.
The choice is yours ...
KRiS
Come see me then....
Seriously, if you find someone that does the right thing by you and you keep going back to them, you'll develop a relationship with them. There are a number of good dealers out there that will do their best to help people out.
The main problem with todays tyre market is that everyone is trying to shop stores and screw for price.... So you may save a couple of bucks this time round, but who is going to help you out if the decision wasn't the best one and you want to change brands or try another tyre?
If you are a regular somewhere they will try and help you out, they will look after you on price.
So saving a couple of bucks may not be the best thing.... what is advice worth to you?
What is the after sales service worth? I personally would rather not have to deal with people that are knocking me for price all the time, every now and again is ok but if it's every time I see them.... If people understand that you have to make money to stay in business, you will have a tyre shop for life to help you out, instead of it going out of business after a couple of years because it's not a viable or profitable option to keep it open.
Find yourself a decent dealer who you get along with...wear a couple of bucks every now and then if they become your regular tyre visit. I'm not saying that you can't price check them and give them the feed back...
Ok my rant is done.....
Merry Christmas, Happy New Year!!!!
Ryano
Seriously, if you find someone that does the right thing by you and you keep going back to them, you'll develop a relationship with them. There are a number of good dealers out there that will do their best to help people out.
The main problem with todays tyre market is that everyone is trying to shop stores and screw for price.... So you may save a couple of bucks this time round, but who is going to help you out if the decision wasn't the best one and you want to change brands or try another tyre?
If you are a regular somewhere they will try and help you out, they will look after you on price.
So saving a couple of bucks may not be the best thing.... what is advice worth to you?
What is the after sales service worth? I personally would rather not have to deal with people that are knocking me for price all the time, every now and again is ok but if it's every time I see them.... If people understand that you have to make money to stay in business, you will have a tyre shop for life to help you out, instead of it going out of business after a couple of years because it's not a viable or profitable option to keep it open.
Find yourself a decent dealer who you get along with...wear a couple of bucks every now and then if they become your regular tyre visit. I'm not saying that you can't price check them and give them the feed back...
Ok my rant is done.....
Merry Christmas, Happy New Year!!!!
Ryano
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