g'day guys- i am considering buying a 4.2 diesel- either a 1hz pc or gq patrol (the only model i would consider buying)- i had decided on a pc but they are much more expenive for what you are getting. i want to lift it 2 or 3 inches (3 for the patrol coz they look a bit sturdier on their feet) and lock both diffs. i have heard the patrol drive line is in amother league when it comes to strength, but that's all anyone seems to say about them- how do the engines and other components compare? also, how do you tell if there is a factory diff lock in the patrol (apparently some models have them and some don't).
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toyota vs nissan
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I drove both the 4.2 cruizer troopy and the nissan GQ and GU as work trucks. Both bog stock (and with less than 5000km on the clock).
The nissan (coiler) had far better suspension, better handling, was quieter and more comfortable. The only disadvantage they have is the semi-floating rear axle, but they seem to be more than strong enough.
The Na 4.2 in the troopy I drove seemed pretty gutless (compared to my older na 3.9L ISUZU 4cyl Land Rover 110 - and compared to the turbo nissan). You really had to get the revs up on the toyota before it did anything, which is unusual for a diesel.
The nissan (coiler) had far better suspension, better handling, was quieter and more comfortable. The only disadvantage they have is the semi-floating rear axle, but they seem to be more than strong enough.
The Na 4.2 in the troopy I drove seemed pretty gutless (compared to my older na 3.9L ISUZU 4cyl Land Rover 110 - and compared to the turbo nissan). You really had to get the revs up on the toyota before it did anything, which is unusual for a diesel.
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bogged wrote:Bartso wrote:NISSAN
agree...
we will get petrol V diesel next, followed by a 400 poster Auto V manual... then the tire thread will follow that
hehehe you could always just do it for hime and save the trouble
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grazza wrote:I am Nissan owner but I always wander why the mining industry use Toyota for the hard stuff over Nissan - I have worked for mining companies and never seen a Nissan underground - why?
My old man is a mining engineer and he tells me its because their pretty reliable ( as are nissan) but more importantly there are plenty of aftermarket parts supliers meaning you can get replacement parts much cheaper than you can for nissan. This for the mining industry is a big thing. However at present many are in a bit of striff because they are finding the hilux front ends put on the front of the cruisers arn't handling the punishment so well and there are really no other good replacements on the market at the moment.
Seen quite a few of these, in coal mining:
http://www.smv.com.au/SMV_Driftrunner.htm
All the Landcruiser utes look really beaten up after only 12 months in these mines. But they are regularly serviced.
Last time I was out at Newlands Coal mine, Glendan, Central QLD, there was a heap of Pajeros! Apparantly Toyota were too expensive (surface vehicles only)
http://www.smv.com.au/SMV_Driftrunner.htm
All the Landcruiser utes look really beaten up after only 12 months in these mines. But they are regularly serviced.
Last time I was out at Newlands Coal mine, Glendan, Central QLD, there was a heap of Pajeros! Apparantly Toyota were too expensive (surface vehicles only)
grazza wrote:whats wrong with a 4.2D GU?
whats better about the GQ, other than price?
please explain....
i didn't say GQ or GU either one of these is a great vehicle
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toyota motors have more herbs and are more refined other than that the nissan is the go. for what a good 80 costs you could have a locked gq set up how ya like. gq spares are so cheap too.
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er.... what is a semi floating rear axle????? (please excuse my ignorance). everyone seems to be recommending nissans-am i likely to have problems with the nissan diesel tho? i drove one the other day (after driving a 78 series cruiser for 6 weeks in the pilbara) and didn't really think there was a noticeable power difference. what do you mean by more 'refined'?. how does the fuel economy compare? and there's still the small matter of how to tell if there is a factory rear diff lock.
and no, there is nothing wrong with the GU, only that it's out of my price range.
and no, there is nothing wrong with the GU, only that it's out of my price range.
Go the nissan 4.2 Diesela and turbo it 
buy your self a GQ with a dud motor for next to nothing and get it professionally built and you know you'll get a shit load of kms out of it... probably for 20 -25k u could have a shit hot GQ wagon with over 120kw at the rear wheels and still get 500+km
oh yeah and that price would include your lift and lockers and just about everything else..
was at auctions and saw a bog stock GQ wagon diesel 200km on it and motor was sus went for $2.5k
buy your self a GQ with a dud motor for next to nothing and get it professionally built and you know you'll get a shit load of kms out of it... probably for 20 -25k u could have a shit hot GQ wagon with over 120kw at the rear wheels and still get 500+km
oh yeah and that price would include your lift and lockers and just about everything else..
was at auctions and saw a bog stock GQ wagon diesel 200km on it and motor was sus went for $2.5k
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rowan wrote:er.... what is a semi floating rear axle????? (please excuse my ignorance). everyone seems to be recommending nissans-am i likely to have problems with the nissan diesel tho? i drove one the other day (after driving a 78 series cruiser for 6 weeks in the pilbara) and didn't really think there was a noticeable power difference. what do you mean by more 'refined'?. how does the fuel economy compare? and there's still the small matter of how to tell if there is a factory rear diff lock.
and no, there is nothing wrong with the GU, only that it's out of my price range.
A semi-floating rear axle means that the load of the wheel is carried by the axle shaft (this design is cheaper because it uses fewer bearings), which means that (a) if the axle breaks the wheel will fall off, and (b) the axle shaft is subject to bending as well as rotational stresses and has to be a lot stronger to last the same amount of time as a full-floating axle.
A full floating axle has a seperate hub assembly to attach the wheel to the axle casing (with more bearings), so you can remove the axle shaft completely and the wheel will still be attached as strongly as before to the axle casing.
On the nissan engines, the 4cyl TD had some problems but I haven't heard the same about the 6.
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grazza wrote: I am Nissan owner but I always wander why the mining industry use Toyota for the hard stuff over Nissan - I have worked for mining companies and never seen a Nissan underground - why?
You will find Fleet Management dictates vehicles amongst other reasons. I can point out some Mines that run nothing but Nissans. Toyota have such a strangle hold on the market and sell a lot of vehicles to fleet managements that they offer decent discounts. I know of one mine that has a small fleet of Suzuki Vitaras mixed into their fleet.
thanks guys this is handy stuff- would feel safer buying a GQ now- a mate told me yesterday they get bogged easily (in sand dunes)- is this the general opinion? being from W.A this is an issue coz for those of you who don't know, our state is made of sand. are they heavier due to the monstrous drive line? i guess diff locks and decent tyres would soon fix that.... maybe....?
also, what are they like at high speeds once they're lifted? i've heard they sometimes get the wobbles up? ( but it may not have been the GQ being discussed) so many questions.....
also, what are they like at high speeds once they're lifted? i've heard they sometimes get the wobbles up? ( but it may not have been the GQ being discussed) so many questions.....
Gee wiz..... Do u guys really think that people would pay about 15-20k more for a new toyota for no reason?? And if you answer 'yes' then atleast give an intelligent answer!!
Toyota pay far more attention to detail in many areas!!
Open and close a door on a GQ and then compare that empty/tinny feel to the door of a 60, 80, 100 series. SAy no more
Toyota pay far more attention to detail in many areas!!
Open and close a door on a GQ and then compare that empty/tinny feel to the door of a 60, 80, 100 series. SAy no more
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steveothedevo wrote:Gee wiz..... Do u guys really think that people would pay about 15-20k more for a new toyota for no reason?? And if you answer 'yes' then atleast give an intelligent answer!!
Toyota pay far more attention to detail in many areas!!
Open and close a door on a GQ and then compare that empty/tinny feel to the door of a 60, 80, 100 series. SAy no more
um right......you are telling us you would pay 20k more for a car with doors the "feel" better
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bogged wrote:steveothedevo wrote:Open and close a door on a GQ and then compare that empty/tinny feel to the door of a 60, 80, 100 series. SAy no more
MOST MORONIC POST OF THE WEEK...
never compared a patrol to a cruiser this way, but opening and closing the door on any car is a good indication of the strength of the body. i think some people just don't get it
Mate take them both for a drive and find the one you like for the right amount of dollars. They are both pretty tough trucks and will take alot of crap.
As for lockers-
toys can be found with fr/rr factory lockers have heard they are wuite strong.
Patrols GQ can be found with a rear locker in wagons. Not sure of the years they where available though. They are a very stronger locker, but can be slow to engage.
As for a 3" lift. They can both be lifted very easily. For under a grand for shocks and coils.
As for people saying you pay $15000 to $20000 grand extra for better quality. I just think Toyota can advertise better. But since you are buying 2nd hand things are alot closer.
As for lockers-
toys can be found with fr/rr factory lockers have heard they are wuite strong.
Patrols GQ can be found with a rear locker in wagons. Not sure of the years they where available though. They are a very stronger locker, but can be slow to engage.
As for a 3" lift. They can both be lifted very easily. For under a grand for shocks and coils.
As for people saying you pay $15000 to $20000 grand extra for better quality. I just think Toyota can advertise better. But since you are buying 2nd hand things are alot closer.
THOUGHT FOR THE DAY....
steveothedevo wrote:Gee wiz..... Do u guys really think that people would pay about 15-20k more for a new toyota for no reason?? And if you answer 'yes' then atleast give an intelligent answer!!
Toyota pay far more attention to detail in many areas!!
Open and close a door on a GQ and then compare that empty/tinny feel to the door of a 60, 80, 100 series. SAy no more
This is the most ridiculous post I have ever read - you oviosly haven't ever seen a 75 or 78 series that was well-used offroad. The body is more stress fractures than welds. Same thing for hiluxes that drive on a lot of corrugations.
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