check out http://www.lj10.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=250&start=0
for jocks pics and have a look throught the projects section of the site should help with ideas
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LJ tech
Jock wrote:Well I decided that spending about $1000 to put fuel injection on the datto motor, then another $800 for a five speed, then another $250 for the turbo manifold was a complete waste of time and money so I got myself a japanese imported half cut off a JA11 jimny ( approx 1992 sierra/samurai ) for $1250.
It has the F-6A motor. Fuel injected with a water cooled turbo and factory intercooled. Comes with a five speed with a 4.063 first gear It is only 660cc 3 cylinder but puts out 55hp. That is heaps for an LJ anyway.
Could have waited and got a DOC version out of a JA12 jiminy but I decided I didn't need the extra 9hp.
The best thing is by getting the half cut I have sold $600 worth of stuff of it already. ( a/c sold for $250,transfer case for $200 etc) Will sell about another $200 worth of stuff after that so I get a fuel injected motor and five speed for $450 that fits straight into the LJ tunnel without a body lift or any other body mods.
Did think about keeping the Air conditioning for the LJ but I thought may be a little bit to much.
Will post some pics as work progresses. Still haven't fitted the steering yet as I am still waiting for my diffs to be done by my mate. I have been working way too much lately to be able to do it myself. I still haven't picked up my LJ20 yet either. Still sitting in a paddock miles away. My holidays got cancelled because of the work load at the moment so I don't know when I will pick it up.
Also thinking of selling the LJ50 restoration project too. Have nowhere to put it and the LJ20 will take a bit to fix.
Some cool tech so I cut and paste'd it.
Well that sounds like a good idea and I will look into it a bit more. Hopefully Drew will be able to help when it comes to import time.
Thanks crispy once again
suggestion/beer theory.....
1. take a 1.3 SWB/NT chassis (with wide track diffs, using th NT spring spacing)
2. grab a LJ body (prefferably one which you have no emotional ties with so you don't feel bad about butchering the trans tunnel, and firewall).
3. grab a welder, a grinder with some cut-off wheels, a 10mm drill, some bits of 100x50x4 RHS (to be welded to chassis for body mounts)
4. organise a BBQ with some friends (prefferably ones who are competent with the above tools) and arrange to put the 'butchered' body on the chassis
5. feel good about life, and have a go.....
Cheers,
Drewfus
1. take a 1.3 SWB/NT chassis (with wide track diffs, using th NT spring spacing)
2. grab a LJ body (prefferably one which you have no emotional ties with so you don't feel bad about butchering the trans tunnel, and firewall).
3. grab a welder, a grinder with some cut-off wheels, a 10mm drill, some bits of 100x50x4 RHS (to be welded to chassis for body mounts)
4. organise a BBQ with some friends (prefferably ones who are competent with the above tools) and arrange to put the 'butchered' body on the chassis
5. feel good about life, and have a go.....
Cheers,
Drewfus
- Drewfus Designs -
"Build it small, DRIVE it big..."
"Build it small, DRIVE it big..."
Drewfus You have some good idea’s. Though it’s most probably not the way I want to go. I would prefer to stay away from a zook chassis. I don’t really want a 1.3 either as it goes to far away from what it was originally. What I want to achieve is a retro LJ with a modern running gear. This engine for example is perfect for retro wheeling. It’s still really small but is fully pimp.
Call me dumb but I want to be a traditionalist, a bit different from the norm, and lastly build by this saying “build it small drive it bigâ€
It has the F-6A motor. Fuel injected with a water cooled turbo and factory intercooled. Comes with a five speed with a 4.063 first gear It is only 660cc 3 cylinder but puts out 55hp. That is heaps for an LJ anyway.
Could have waited and got a DOC version out of a JA12 jiminy but I decided I didn't need the extra 9hp.
Call me dumb but I want to be a traditionalist, a bit different from the norm, and lastly build by this saying “build it small drive it bigâ€
DeWsE wrote:I have re-thought the front suspension set up and I’m kinda starting to realise how hard it will be to get coil’s right. Another thought that I had is that if I want to get it engineered it will be a lot easier if I don’t weld the chassis. So I may have to stick with leaves.
1. leaves can work you, easy to work with, cheap and reliable, just need to find a good combination, prefferably the longer the better.
[quote="DeWsE"]
Call me dumb but I want to be a traditionalist, a bit different from the norm, and lastly build by this saying “build it small drive it bigâ€
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- Drewfus Designs -
"Build it small, DRIVE it big..."
"Build it small, DRIVE it big..."
Duncan,s Kermit , is Very good performer .
1.3 gti , Giving plenty of grunt for little critta ,
Keeping the rig low is the key to making the small wheelbase ,track work for you ,
Running the little beedlocks +
JMO the biggest single mod for a TRack Wheelbase of this size
"Approach angle" Make this the area perfect , use coils or whatever
Move the diff foward a touch so as with your 31s you can drive a wall,
IMO the tire size is not so great a problem ,you just need to get them to the obsticle uninhibited.
So many "LOW" rigs don,t pay attention to this piont, They are the ones that would benifit the most from it ,
There are some Black art tricks to diff gearing ect ( clue somthing with carry vans ) .
Looking foward to see this build up!
Larry
1.3 gti , Giving plenty of grunt for little critta ,
Keeping the rig low is the key to making the small wheelbase ,track work for you ,
Running the little beedlocks +
JMO the biggest single mod for a TRack Wheelbase of this size
"Approach angle" Make this the area perfect , use coils or whatever
Move the diff foward a touch so as with your 31s you can drive a wall,
IMO the tire size is not so great a problem ,you just need to get them to the obsticle uninhibited.
So many "LOW" rigs don,t pay attention to this piont, They are the ones that would benifit the most from it ,
There are some Black art tricks to diff gearing ect ( clue somthing with carry vans ) .
Looking foward to see this build up!
Larry
Yeah Dozoor I’m fairly aware of the approach angle that is what give the initial idea for coils up front.
As for the GTI motor conversion, it would be great and very suitable for my application because to a degree I want to do some duning. The motor’s rev’s are not a problem as this will keep it going up the hills. One thing putting me off this idea is this comment from a thread in suzishop forum
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As for the GTI motor conversion, it would be great and very suitable for my application because to a degree I want to do some duning. The motor’s rev’s are not a problem as this will keep it going up the hills. One thing putting me off this idea is this comment from a thread in suzishop forum
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Mines on 29's on stock everything except it has carry rear springs
And this site should be helpful to ya http://www.twistedandes.com/cont/articulo.php?id=48
And this site should be helpful to ya http://www.twistedandes.com/cont/articulo.php?id=48
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Mod......1st.......high......low.......diff........crawl
LJ50.................1.714....3.012.......................
LJ80.....3.84......1.56.....2.58......4.55......45-1
SJ410...3.14......1.58.....2.51......4.11......32-1.
can,t elaborate much more than a certian model carry van had a lower ratio than that of a LJ , using parts of both the lJ centre and the carry you can instal the ration in an LJ housing KEEP in mind I Hvnt done so it may a may not be a goose chase .
LJ50.................1.714....3.012.......................
LJ80.....3.84......1.56.....2.58......4.55......45-1
SJ410...3.14......1.58.....2.51......4.11......32-1.
can,t elaborate much more than a certian model carry van had a lower ratio than that of a LJ , using parts of both the lJ centre and the carry you can instal the ration in an LJ housing KEEP in mind I Hvnt done so it may a may not be a goose chase .
Cheers guys.
Looks like I have a lot to think about. Something that is looking interesting is the g13bb. I have already asked Drew to have a look for one when he is Japan.
So if I went down this path this is what I would have. A motor with double the power of the 800cc. I could use the gearbox from the front cut (5 speed), a gear driven Tcase from a WT (or a NT for 12% gear reduction), then 3.7 WT diffs. The 29’s are 10% larger then a jimny or sierra 26â€
Looks like I have a lot to think about. Something that is looking interesting is the g13bb. I have already asked Drew to have a look for one when he is Japan.
So if I went down this path this is what I would have. A motor with double the power of the 800cc. I could use the gearbox from the front cut (5 speed), a gear driven Tcase from a WT (or a NT for 12% gear reduction), then 3.7 WT diffs. The 29’s are 10% larger then a jimny or sierra 26â€
Drewfus wrote:in the above combo I'd go 31" simex, sprungover (NOTE: only when uing the LJ chassis), and use the 1 litre transfer.....
Other than that sounds good.
Member this is going to be a dune rig, so simex are way off what I want. I would go SPOA but the size of the motor and gearbox means i need a BL. would be way to high with both.
Drewfus wrote:will go through files of photo's, I think you'd be supprised ho low/compact it could be...
Cheers.
DamnI wish i could just work on one right now ratyer then being at work!
[quote="STD CONSUMER"]haha, i'm tellin you, my camp was hard to find on Saturday night!
then i shared my bed with 2 second tom... [/quote]
then i shared my bed with 2 second tom... [/quote]
Drewfus wrote:DeWsE wrote:Pretty pictures
ohh......like that, like that (although I'd butcher that front bar...)
Cheers,
Drewfus
Yeah man I am liking it. But 33's are a bit much for an old man like myself. he's having a few issues with driveshaft vibration.....no wonder with that pinion angle
[quote="STD CONSUMER"]haha, i'm tellin you, my camp was hard to find on Saturday night!
then i shared my bed with 2 second tom... [/quote]
then i shared my bed with 2 second tom... [/quote]
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As for the GTI motor conversion, it would be great and very suitable for my application because to a degree I want to do some duning. The motor’s rev’s are not a problem as this will keep it going up the hills. One thing putting me off this idea is this comment from a thread in suzishop forum
hey dewse i was goin to go down this path, i have a gti motor sittin at home in the shed, these motors arent made any more and it could be hard to find half cuts, also i needed a coil pack and ignitor, new these 2 were goin to cost me $1000 so i didnt bother, also ur gointo have to rev it hard all the time regardless of gearing ( i ve done my homework on this and spoken to sam about it).so in the end im not goin to do this conversion.
some guy's are using 1600cc suzuki belano engines in jimny's, so have you looked at using an igness engine or somthing equally as new?[/quote]
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