WE Rock - Round 1 - Rover Park 12/13 March

[Strange Rover]

WE Rock Australia presents the

MICKEY THOMPSON PUT UP OR SHUT UP SHOOTOUT

Location - Rover Park, near Tenterfield, northern NSW.

Date - 12th/13th March 2005

Classes - Combined Super Modified and Legends (one class)

General Spectator Information

2WD access to competition site
BBQ catering Saturday and Sunday at event site
Saturday night dinner (bookings required via Rover Park)

Day Trippers - $30 per vehicle
Campers - $40 per day per vehicle - $80 for the weekend

Other Accomodation contact
Rover Park - 02 6737 6862


Event Sponsors

Mickey Thompson
4x4 Australia
ARB Southside
On Track 4WD Centre
4x4 Sport Australia
Air Up
Haultech
Outerlimits
Rover Park
Offroadimages.com.au
4WD TV

[Strange Rover]

[Chucky]

be there with full esky and bells on

All I need now is the $$$ to build something to enter with.

[gurumon]

only 2 weeks to go

[andy & di]

wow the price is realy creeping on up there, its too steep for me $80 for a weekend of spectating..............Not this little black duck.

[RUFF]

wow the price is realy creeping on up there, its too steep for me $80 for a weekend of spectating..............Not this little black duck.

Any other weekend it would still cost you $60 So for an extra $20 you are getting to spectate at what we hope will be the best Rock Crawling action in Australia. Campared to other 4wd events in Australia i think $10 extra a day is very cheap.

And Battle of the Codes was the same price.

I dont think you will go away disapointed.

[antt]

wow the price is realy creeping on up there, its too steep for me $80 for a weekend of spectating..............Not this little black duck.

i too have noticed, it is getting steeper and steeper, guess thats wat insurance does to ya

[OVERKILL ENG]

You would spend more than $80 going out on the piss for a night so i don't think it is that bad at all.
SAM

[andy & di]

thats alright if you go out on the piss, but I dont especially when you have a family and there are other things to take into account.

I enjoy watching these events, but as I said the price is to steep for me.

$60 for a weekend and you can drive and have fun, $80.00 for a weekend to watch a competition that will be great, but no time for driving.

I guess those that have the funds will enjoy.

[Surfection]

Pfft, 80 dollars.... ohhhh nooooooo !!!! We are planning on driving the +9 hours from Sydney like we have done the last three times to spectate. It's not alot of dosh to support an extreme sport that is growing more and more every month in this country, and to support a great park run by great people. Just a shame there's always so many queenslanders there !!

[POS]

thats alright if you go out on the piss, but I dont especially when you have a family and there are other things to take into account.

I enjoy watching these events, but as I said the price is to steep for me.

$60 for a weekend and you can drive and have fun, $80.00 for a weekend to watch a competition that will be great, but no time for driving.

I guess those that have the funds will enjoy.

I can fully understand that funds can get tight and every dollar counts!

In the past the entry fee was pretty well subsidised out of our own pocket and in particular Sam's. For example, before PUOSU i drove to Rover Park 4 Times (twice towing a buggy) and each time would easily cost me $200.00 just in fuel (not to mention wear and tear on the disco). Now i don't really care as i can see the overall picture, but to re-coop some $$$$ would be good. In saying that it is realised that funds from each comp will be put back into the next and so on. So at the end of the day the spectator will get to see an even better event next time.

Things such as Insurance, travel, bunting and bolards, clearance of land etc etc all cost big $$$ and in reality it is all done to make viewing and spectating better and SAFER for all.

The normal Park fee is $60.00 and of course to view the event cost $20.00. Now remember this is PER VEHICLE so try and get a couple of mates to sqeeze in and cover part of the cost. Also to take full advantage of the $80.00 why not watch some of the action and then go for a wheel later in the arvo or even at night. That way you get to see most of the event aswell as getting the bug out of the system.

[80lsy gq]

if its 80 per vehicle then thats cheap.... if ya take a great old wagon. (like my gq) you can take 6 or 7 people and it will only cost you about 25 each by the time you take in fuel to get there etc....... thats a cheap weekend...

[andy & di]

I agree with you both, but you are talking about single people who has room in their cars for mates and yes they can share the cost, But I am not one of those people I have 5 seats in my GQ and they are all taken with mum, dad and three kids.

I support the events, my husband is a navi for another 4wd event, but as a family wanting to support the events the price has become a little too dear.

Pos you say you have been there 4 times and it has cost you money, but you are part organiser, I am not saying that you shouldnt recoup funds, but as a part organiser you should expect to have to pay for the things you have listed in your post.

What about the entry fees that competitors pay, is that not a large contribution to the fund being recouped.

I do not mean this post to be nasty in anyway, I am just saying that from a family point of view I think the cost of the event for spectators it is a little dear.

I understand that you need funds to run the events, but you need spectators who are willing to pay the money.

Di

[Aza]

will be giving this one a miss no money to spectate will be there for round 2 spectating though and will spectate at tuff truck

[RUFF]

I agree with you both, but you are talking about single people who has room in their cars for mates and yes they can share the cost, But I am not one of those people I have 5 seats in my GQ and they are all taken with mum, dad and three kids.

I support the events, my husband is a navi for another 4wd event, but as a family wanting to support the events the price has become a little too dear.

Pos you say you have been there 4 times and it has cost you money, but you are part organiser, I am not saying that you shouldnt recoup funds, but as a part organiser you should expect to have to pay for the things you have listed in your post.

What about the entry fees that competitors pay, is that not a large contribution to the fund being recouped.

I do not mean this post to be nasty in anyway, I am just saying that from a family point of view I think the cost of the event for spectators it is a little dear.

I understand that you need funds to run the events, but you need spectators who are willing to pay the money.

Di

I can see where you are comming from. If you cant afford it you just cant afford it. But i dont beleive that this event is Expensive at all. Have you been to Offroad Expo? or Mud Bulls and Music? Or even Tuff Truck? At all of these events you are charged per head not Per Vehicle. Even going to the Speedway on a Sat Night you get charged per head(Was told today an Adult entry is $45) So even at $80 if you only spectate and dont drive around the park it still works out at $8 per head per day for 2 Adults and 3 Children.

Also all the competitor entries go into a Prize pool which all goes back to the competitors except for Pro Pit and St Johns Fees. We are trying to organise St Johns Ambulance and have also organised "On Track 4WD" to come down with some tools that all competitors will be able to use to do repairs as needed over the weekend.

If these events cant make money to keep themselves alive then they will never get any better for competitors or Spectators.

[rocknferoza]

From memory back when Emu Creek held the battle of the states that cost about $100-110 for the weekend and that was several years ago for an awsome comp. Compared to that $80 is cheap for a weekend of hardcore action at rover park

[beebee]

Yes the entry is expensive and I would probably complain about it too. That's until you check out the value that you get for your $$ as outlined above. Personally, I can't wait

[v8zuki]

ill be there with my family 4 kids ! so stop complaining about price and do something to support this fantastic event

[mudtoy]

This is going to be in your face and will be well worth it. I would hate to think what it actually costs to put on an event like this.

Congrats to Sam and the team, it takes balls and effort to put on a show and from what we saw at PUOSU and BOC...the crowd will not be disappointed.

We are flying from Melbourne...would't miss it!

[Mad Cruiser]

You guys are rich !!!!

[dieseldude]

I think it's too expensive also!!!

Get sponsors to help you recoup costs.............

Doesn't the circle of sponsorship work somewhere along the lines of:

Companies sponsor events...... People come to events because the costs are reasonable........ People support sponsors because they are putting something back into the sport....... sponsors make money from loyal spectators buying their goods and services?

Just a thought.

[Busiboy]

Having run events in the past,

[Beginning of rant]

When you consider costs of the event and the money that sponsors can look at recouping. It is very hard to justify.

You are trying to tell me that if, for arguments sake, busiboy engineering were to sponsor that event with big bickies, you would buy my stuff? even if it were a % dearer than someone elses similar product?

I think not, then you have to look at return.

If say for instance Mickey T are putting up (I know nothing and I'm just making numbers up) $5000 which is a lot of money. I couldn't get that for an event with TV coverage out of most sponsors.

The mark up on a set of tyres, say $50 a tyre, that is 100 sets of tyre to sell before they BREAK EVEN.

Then you have to try and make money on that.

As in the 'why do guys think thier cars will sell quickly' thread.

out of the amount of people that are looking for new tyres.

Say 1000 people, who can afford the Mickey T's ?
500, who will be looking for such an aggressive tyre for their car?
100, who will see this event?
75 (generous here)
75 who will be convinced to buy them because they sponsored the event?
5

Most people already have predisposed idea about tyres especially. Most guys on this forum I am guessing already have thier next set of tyres picked out. Simex, Mickey T, Goodyear, BFG and all the rest, basically pay for brand awareness and to keep thier name out there. Sponsorship is something that is more done as a goodwill, not really expecting immeadiate return.

Then there are the costs involved with running these events. Toilets, Bunting, hire, catering, PA's, facilities, INSURANCE, land clearing and don't forget prize money.

The only real way to get good competition is to offer good prize money. Without this there is little to ensure a) the survival of the event or b)attract good competition.

If I owned one of these top rigs I can assure you I would compete on the following criteria, a) prize money b) distance.

Why compete for a trophy and risk big $$$$ for an ego boost? I am sure I would do it for a while but why keep doing it?

The sponsors are probabely covering alot of these costs, but still I am sure that the organisers wouldn't be charging this if they didn't have to.

Sorry for the chit chat but couldn't let it go.

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[1MadEngineer]

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[andy & di]

Comments like that will not do the sport any good.

My comments on the price of this particular event was genuine, and as a result of my post others agree with me. This is also general feed back or constructive critisum for the organisers.

As someone has mentioned the cost of the speedway I will use that as an example. Cost per Adult is generally $30.00 and $10.00 per child, for my family that would be a cost of $90.00, however they also have a family rate of $60.00 which covers 2 adults and 3 children. As A Spectator I would be more inclined to go as there is a family rate on offer.

Maybe this would be a option that could be looked as a solution to the problem rather than other forum members being critial of others for posting there opinions.

Also look at emu creek $40 for the weekend for similar event.

I am sure that as supporters of the sports and ADULTS we can all have discussions on this forum and this thread without the neccesity of personal attacks on someones financial situation.

DI

[RUFF]

Comments like that will not do the sport any good.

My comments on the price of this particular event was genuine, and as a result of my post others agree with me. This is also general feed back or constructive critisum for the organisers.

As someone has mentioned the cost of the speedway I will use that as an example. Cost per Adult is generally $30.00 and $10.00 per child, for my family that would be a cost of $90.00, however they also have a family rate of $60.00 which covers 2 adults and 3 children. As A Spectator I would be more inclined to go as there is a family rate on offer.

Maybe this would be a option that could be looked as a solution to the problem rather than other forum members being critial of others for posting there opinions.

Also look at emu creek $40 for the weekend for similar event.

I am sure that as supporters of the sports and ADULTS we can all have discussions on this forum and this thread without the neccesity of personal attacks on someones financial situation.

DI

I agrea the above comment was not needed and have removed it. Greg think before you post next time.

Ok so you are sying that $60 for your family for A few hours enertainment is good value. This is only for one day. We Rock will only cost your Family $30 for the day. Im pretty sure this is cheaper. Or you can stay for the entire weekend for $80.

And comparing Emu Creek and the only event they have had for years means nothing. Look at how much they were charging 5 or 6 years ago when they were well known for running events. It was in Excess of $100 for the weekend. Lets see how many events they can afford to run charging $40 for a car load.

Running these events is expensive. Really expensive. Its cheap if you want to run an event keep all the competitors entry money and advertise no where but as has been shown people get sick of competing and watching when the sport is going no where.

I see where you are comming from for the fact you are a family but Rover Park are not charging per person but per vehicle. So where do they draw the line? It would be a lot more expensive if they were to start charging per person.

[andy & di]

agreed

[calelux]

so whens everyone going to rover park
where we all meeting??/

[POS]

so whens everyone going to rover park
where we all meeting??/

I will more than likely be going down around Lunch time friday!

I will be going the back way down threw Urbinville, woodenbong. If anyone wants to try and follow me, they are more than welcome to try and keep up!

[mudtoy]

4wd TV, OffRoad Productions and Offroad Images (Simon & Miranda, Shane Barlow and co and Mike Ellem) are all flying in and having dinner somewhere near the airport before driving across late Friday night...hope we don't get lost.

[OVERKILL ENG]

so whens everyone going to rover park
where we all meeting??/

I will more than likely be going down around Lunch time friday!

I will be going the back way down threw Urbinville, woodenbong. If anyone wants to try and follow me, they are more than welcome to try and keep up!

Will be leaving Sydney about lunch time friday
SAM