Cooper ST vs. Motorway Mud

[alien]

First of all let me apologise cos i know its annoying when these things are asked =)

Im going 31x10.5's on 15x7s soon and need a tyre that suits my needs best, but im torn between these two.

My zuk is a daily driver, so needs decent on road handling, but when i go offroad i go pretty hard (rock/mud).

Motorways are super cheap to buy and have a great pattern, but how are they onroad? especially in the wet!? Im also worried about the fact theyre retreads - can they handle my odd outburst of 120-130km/hr without being demolished?

Coopers look like theyll be great on road, but im not sure about offroad ability.. and at near $250ea theyre a BIG EXPENSE!

Opinions?

[ljxtreem]

go the motorways
cuz before u know it you will be wanting bigger tyres, and you wont have waisted too much money

mock

[OldGold]

Motorways are only rated to 110 - I wouldn't feel safe at all pushing them past that. They don't handle very well in the wet or onroad but not many mud tyres do I guess... they're a bit noisy, but again, so are most mud tyres

If you do a lot of beach driving I wouldn't really recomend them, they don't bag out very well at all and another tyre might be a better choice if sand is your thing.

But asides from that they go really well offroad, I'm stoked with mine for the price, you just have to be a bit mindful of the softer rubber they're made of

[nicbeer]

They bag nicely. I run mine at 5-10psi. on 7"s

I do drive hard on them on the beach as well airbornes included.

Beach: No mud tyre is good there. I have not found mud yet so i can't comment there.

I also push past the 110 marker. They are fine. I was told by craig in the OBC one of the rigs used mongrels that are rated to 110 also was averaging about 130km/h. so they should be fine. On road, i find them ok, extreme braking they make grip well. (damn excels). tailslides still happen in the wet but heaps better from my old rubber

$$ also makes the big difference.


cheers

[flyinwall]

have you considered the motorway ground hog (they are the retread) as the motorway mud terrain also comes in a monoform tyre as well
the prices i got were
1) ground hog $83 (31x10.5)
2) mongrel $170 (32x10.5)
3) mud terrain $100 (31x10.5)

[alien]

you mean i can get them and theyre not a retread?! AWESOME! if thats true im stoked!

[built4thrashing]

ive been thinking about new tyres my self and have decided to go for simex M/T. they are a 31/10.5/15 tyre and can be bought for about $150-$170 each if ya look around. But thats just my choice others will choose others.

[nicbeer]

If you read the monoform web site, i believe they state it on there. Mine are the Monoform muddie retread.

basically mine are Goodyear GSA's with a layer of rubber on 1 side and the top and then regrooved to suit a bfg pattern.

http://www.motorway-tyres.com.au/p436.htm

cheers

[Spike_Sierra]

ok, i love my motorways
they are cheap, i find they bag really well, much better then the monoforms
st's are girly and alterrain and expensive
they look better
i find they are good in the wet
i find it ok on sand, its only a zook.
if your bus is still pushing 120 with the 31's i congratulate you.
mine are speed limited to 120km/h
wicked in the mud, rocks i dont know, dont have any down here.
with all the new technology now days, a retread tyre is near as good as a normal one.
and ya gotta love the price

[P_Byrne]

I'm getting a set of the Monoform muddies...

The monoforms aren't strictly a retread, which usually means that the tread area of the tyre has been relaid. The monoform uses a carcass of another tyre for the radial belt etc and re-lays the entire rubber portion from bead to bead.

[Spike_Sierra]

are you sure its bead to bead, i heard somewhere its only one side. i will have to check with a mates if his is both.

[nicbeer]

Read mine as per a couple up.

Mine are monoform.

1 side has all new rubber.
top has new rubber in bfg pattern.
other side still says goodyear gsa and gsr on 1 of them.

From Motorway site:

MONOFORM

The "Monoform" is a registered product of Motorway Tyres and is our premium grade of remanufactured product.

The tyre is retreaded bead-to-bead (ie both the Tread and the Sidewall have new rubber). Some people argue this gives the Sidewall a greater level of protection.

The very best of raw materials are sourced world wide and when combined with the highest grade of tyre casings available, this results in a final product that is not only attractive but can boast exceptional performance.

The Monoform is available in our Passenger, 4WD and Light Commercial product ranges.cheers

[alien]

so the verdict is to go the motorway monoform muddy?

oh and 120+ will definitely be done... not regular but once a fortnight. i have 1.6 8v, weber 32/36, extractors n 2" pipe... 4th gear 5400rpm is 140km/hr with 215/75r15... when i go the 31 ill put 5.14 transfer in (18% reduction) to bring it back to stock (1% out) so im sure ill still acheive some speed =)

simex m/t's are notoriously bad onroad arent they?

[jabtronic]

so the verdict is to go the motorway monoform muddy?

Well I'd say most people are recommending the Motorway because it is the best bang for buck tyre.

The Coopers would be the go if you want quality and have the extra $$

[alien]

Oh ok... i just figured they werent too much more quality =)

ST or STT?

Having a look at Nicbeer's Motorways tomorrow night also.

Simex Centipede MT looks great also - no WA distributor though! =(

[OldGold]

fark you have like a... drag zook or something dude

mine struggles to 100 on 30s

[cj]

simex m/t's are notoriously bad onroad arent they?

Nope, mine are fine and I have been known to push it from time to time.

[jabtronic]

Oh ok... i just figured they werent too much more quality =)

ST or STT?

Don't know which is better, but I think STT is the more extreme (offroad) tyre of the two, that's what I'm getting

[sierrajim]

coopers make good pots for plants

The motorway Mt's are pretty good value for money. Had them on my Vit for about 18 months and flogged the guts out of them. They performed well.

If you talk to Motorway they will be able to advise that it is federal law that retread tyres must be speed rated at a lower rating. Most retreads have the same 110kph rating.


My Vit could still hold 120-130kph with the 30" MT's and had no troubles. I think these tyres are now on a sierra from this forum.

Like Mock said, get the Motorways because in a short time you'll want bigger ones anyway.

[roc box]

go the retreads me and my mates all run oz tec mud retreads and while there not motorways my mate has gotten 40000 ks out off them on his hilux.they xray the cases now days before treading so reliability should be good.ive found them excellent on all types of terrain.

[PK]

RE Simex Centipede M/T - I run mine on my TJ and I am absolutely rapt with them, even after 20000kms. They also aren't too bad on wet bitumen, which is surprising.....

However, when the BFG A/T's wear out on my sons Suzi, we'll be going the monoform mud in 30's

[Jay D]

I've just put on Apache Muddies in 31 x 10.5 They are a similar pattern to the BFG and I reakon they are awesome. I certainly wouldn't go back to an at or st type tyre. Also, they are speed rated to 120kph