TTC running order & CHIT CHAT !! updated-30/3

[Bighazza]

:rofl:

you gotta leave the stocky tyre on the bonnett

that would be funny as

[ISUZUROVER]

can we get a pic of team 33?

Here you go Aza here is a pic of my entry as it currently sits

What are you doing with the 200Tdi and LT77S that I assume are in it at the moment?

[alexcliffo]

Is anyone else surprised at the small no of candidates this yr?? i Know its not cheap to enter, but there are alot of capable rigs out there.....

[MissDrew]

I am not surprised at all, think about it you have`ve had to pay $950 before the voting was even finished when you didn`t even know if you would get in or not. If you didn`t get in you got it back, but hay you still have had to pull $950 out of the bank just for a "I might/hope get voted in". Then on top of this you have fuel to get there and back, get your rig ready, pay for any breakages and damage and the list goes on making this years event $2000 upwards depending on your location etc etc etc.

I myself can not afford $950 just for an entry fee, I`ll pay $1000 for a diff lock no worries but for an entry fee for an event where you only get 6 4 minute drives over the weekend, no thanks. Now I`d bet I`m not the only one that is like this and I have competed in both the other Tuff Truck events and love it. $600 to compete in an event wheather spotter or driving is about my max limit at this stage in my life.

OBC and the extreme internaional winch challenge entry fees are up around the 2g but you get to drive every day for 5 days and the stages are a lot longer.

[TuffEvents]

What Tuff Truck 2005 Competitors get for the Entry Fee

Based on 33 entries:

Tuff Truck Prizes = $26,000 cash
Competitor's meals package (66 x $90) = $5940
Competitor's merchandise (66 x $95) = $6270
Tuff Truck comemorative number plates (66 x $24) = $792

Total amount distributed directly to competitors = $39,002

Total income from entry fees (33 x $950) = $31350

This leaves a deficit of $7652 which is subsidised by Tuff Events & Promotions. Each entrant is subsidised at least $230 by TEP.

[alexcliffo]

Perhaps when the events become higher profile, more will enter.
Perhaps when more events are run they will become cheaper to enter.

I understand it isa large expenditure but the scene has to start somewhere.
Mayb potential competitiors will be more interested if the total prize money was $13000 and entry fee was $475. If i was a competitor it would appeal to me- to me its about the experience not the prize money.

I am not surprised at all, think about it you have`ve had to pay $950 before the voting was even finished when you didn`t even know if you would get in or not. If you didn`t get in you got it back, but hay you still have had to pull $950 out of the bank just for a "I might/hope get voted in". Then on top of this you have fuel to get there and back, get your rig ready, pay for any breakages and damage and the list goes on making this years event $2000 upwards depending on your location etc etc etc.

I myself can not afford $950 just for an entry fee, I`ll pay $1000 for a diff lock no worries but for an entry fee for an event where you only get 6 4 minute drives over the weekend, no thanks. Now I`d bet I`m not the only one that is like this and I have competed in both the other Tuff Truck events and love it. $600 to compete in an event wheather spotter or driving is about my max limit at this stage in my life.

OBC and the extreme internaional winch challenge entry fees are up around the 2g but you get to drive every day for 5 days and the stages are a lot longer.

[moose]

WELL , here,s my running order !!!
wildcards are entered !!!!??????

(my running order is more correct then the TTC website !!! they have 2 No.15,s !! Overkill & Bootie Fab !! )

ALSO 1 late last entry !!! Sawzall





1...14 TLCC
(NSW) Snowy Gearing & David O'Hehir
440

2...08 Allcoast
(NSW) Sam Maugeri & Michael Jenkins
388

3...03 Offroad Performance Warehouse
(NSW) Peter Antunac & TBA
377

4...29 Wooders Heep
(NSW) David Woodley & Jason Hedley
359

5...26 M&M Custom Engineering
(NSW) Matt Pisani & Paul Pisani
342

6...33 Haultech Lockless Monster
(QLD) Tony Robinson & Wes Clifford
338

7...19 Krawla Kustom
(NSW) Ben Jones & David Perry
332

8...06 FireTruck
(VIC) Shane Elliot & Zach Forsyth
326

9...11 Outerlimits Zook Crew
(NSW) Tim Scutt & TBA
288

10...18 PGS Racing
(VIC) James Simmons & Matt Simmons
267

11...02 Cheezy Racing
(VIC) Mark Cheeseman & David Bohm
266

12...04 Toyota Rock Crawling Development
(QLD) David Burton-Bradley & Greg Heick
261

13...09 Wild Violet
(NSW) Peter O'Brien & Michael Gilliland
237

14...10 Bootie Fab
(QLD) Scott Henry & TBA
233

15...05 Overkill
(NSW) Sam Keck & Dave Camp
221

16...07 Dobbin Engineering
(NSW) Glenn Dobbin & Garth Hannaford
210

17...22 Christie Engineering
(NSW) Mick Christie & Peter Christie
200

18...12 Team Suburban
(NSW) Andrew Gartrell & Anthony Timmins
197

19...23 Haultech Engineering--"4X4 AUSTRALIA WILDCARD"
(QLD) Sam Overton & Mick Garner
195

20...30 B1 & B2
(ACT) Ziggy Koeck & Brian Kelley
188

21...16 BJ on Roids
(QLD) Robert Davies & TBA
161

22...24 Happy Days
(NSW) Adam Cherry & TBA
159

23...17 Rock Toy
(ACT) Wayne Rumble & Bruce Collins
155

24...21 Team Green
(NSW) Geoff Walton & Matt Relf
138

25...25 Madcow
(NSW) Alan Paviour-Smith & TBA
113

26...20 Underdog
(NSW) Malcolm Van Ysseldyk & Stuart McIntosh
104

27...13 Max Traxion
(NSW) Murray Taylor & David Cook
102

28...27 Total Care 4WD--"OVERLANDER WILDCARD"
(NSW) Jason Dymock & John Maroney
99

29...28 Maquarie 4x4--"4WD MONTHLY WILDCARD"
(NSW) Duncan Scott & Chipper
94

30...32 Red Bull
(NSW) Michael DePasquale & Aaron Peek
62

31...31 4x4 Mad
(NSW) Wayne Murphy & Shane Eslick
17

32...32 Pro 4x4
(NSW) Justin Daley & Chris Mills
0

33...33 Sawzall
(NSW) Chuck Jifkins & TBA
0

[MissDrew]

Total amount distributed directly to competitors = $39,002

Total income from entry fees (33 x $950) = $31350

This leaves a deficit of $7652 which is subsidised by Tuff Events & Promotions. Each entrant is subsidised at least $230 by TEP.

Now if you get 5000 spectators thats around $250,000 and then there is the sales of jumpers, shirts etc then there is the sponsorship that you get.

Sorry but for an event that is as big as tuff truck I can not see how it has to cost $950 just to enter.

Winch challenge events are around $350 entry fee and you get 12 stages over the same time period as tuff truck, now which one is better value for money and which one gives the entrants more fun? Which is the thing that 90% of them have entered for, they don`t enter for the prizes, 90% of them don`t care if they come 2nd last (nobody likes last)

[planb]

Total amount distributed directly to competitors = $39,002

Total income from entry fees (33 x $950) = $31350

This leaves a deficit of $7652 which is subsidised by Tuff Events & Promotions. Each entrant is subsidised at least $230 by TEP.

Now if you get 5000 spectators thats around $250,000 and then there is the sales of jumpers, shirts etc then there is the sponsorship that you get.

Sorry but for an event that is as big as tuff truck I can not see how it has to cost $950 just to enter.

Winch challenge events are around $350 entry fee and you get 12 stages over the same time period as tuff truck, now which one is better value for money and which one gives the entrants more fun? Which is the thing that 90% of them have entered for, they don`t enter for the prizes, 90% of them don`t care if they come 2nd last (nobody likes last)

the point is dave, would you rather split 'fun' with cheesy when you win TT or would you rather split $12,000 cash ?


you guys can have fun any old time, you gotta work for the 12k cash



think of it like a punt at the TAB

you cant get better odds than 1 in 34 chance at $12K

even if it costs you $950 for the opportunity

and with a vehicle like the mav, whose got the unfair advantage ?

you guys are going to milk the courses

[MissDrew]

I have only ever looked at prizes as a bonus if you happen to do well. I have never entered a single comp and thought about the prizes that I could win.

My first and formost resone for entrying a comp is to have fun.

[De-lux]

I have only ever looked at prizes as a bonus if you happen to do well. I have never entered a single comp and thought about the prizes that I could win.

My first and formost resone for entrying a comp is to have fun.

sorry to enter into your chat, but i fully agree with guts... if i ever get around to entering some comps (when my truck is up to scratch) it would be purely to see what i can do.

[Wooders]

Bugger "what my rig can do"....I'm going to have FUN.....
I think most know that they are not in contention for a podium finish, so to enter with any visions of $$$ is stoopid....beside even if someone like us managed a podium finish the "prize" would probably still not cover the true cost of entering it anyway.....(ie entry fees, vehicle prep and repairs)....
So that just leaves FUN

[FireTruck]

I am in it for the fun, and challenge, but if we happen to place somewhere and a wad a cash is offered I won't be at all offended... it would help to offset the costs, that's for sure...


Unfortunately wouldn't cover the costs for me though in this comp

[planb]

Bugger "what my rig can do"....I'm going to have FUN.....
I think most know that they are not in contention for a podium finish, so to enter with any visions of $$$ is stoopid....beside even if someone like us managed a podium finish the "prize" would probably still not cover the true cost of entering it anyway.....(ie entry fees, vehicle prep and repairs)....
So that just leaves FUN

ok ok, i understand fun, but you cant write yourself and your truck down wooders,

lets face it, stuart mengal came third in the first event with a simpler set up than yours (short arm from memory with 35 tsls)

the courses havent changes that drastically, the competition has just got fiercer,

and remember, a lot of the favourites will loose points for the show and shine, rti etc, which is where many trucks might pick up an advantage.

and doesnt anyone remember the mud pit last time round ?

the smallest tyred trucks went the furthest, how else do you think sam keck came third ? (sorry sam, but the mud pit did take your placing from 7th to 3rd)

he picked up a huge point advantage for driving the mud,

i think an event like tt, its anyones game.

look how good tyson went last time in his gq, he drove it cool, calm and collected the whole weekend and came home with 5th place (from memory)

what about dennis in the silver bullet ?

he had some pretty good drives, not bad for a beater hilux with welded centres and some old swampers.

even my old shitta cruiser drove the all terrain/wirraba without to much fuss.

i reckon one of the smaller rigs will stick it this time round,

and the qld'ers will make the more complacent few sink the slipper just to keep up.

[daddylonglegs]

[quote="FireTruck"]Or this one:

"In these rules; any reference to State regulations or laws, or roadworthiness in State of registration, will be deemed to be met by the fact that the vehicle is registered.


Registration will be checked by comparing the licence plate number and VIN on the registration label against the licence plate number and VIN on the vehicle"[/quote]

I may have missed it, but I haven't seen the following topic seriously discussed in any threads regarding the TTC.
I know this event is covered by public liability insurance, and I guess that the registration and roadworthiness requirement for this event is there to keep the insurance underwriters happy, but most of us know what insurance companies are like. They will weasel out of honoring claims any way they can and in the case of a spectator being seriously hurt or worse by one of the competitors losing control in a vehicle that obvously does not comply with any state of Australias vehicle modification laws may just give the insurers the excuse they need not to pay up. Then who does the injured party sue ? Not the competitors 3rd party insurance I wouldnt think because the vehicle was illegally registerd. Maybe they could sue every competitor and all the organisors of the event.
Can anyone enlighten me ?
Bill.

[Dozoor]

Guts


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I have only ever looked at prizes as a bonus if you happen to do well. I have never entered a single comp and thought about the prizes that I could win.

My first and formost resone for entrying a comp is to have fun.

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Gutsquishers




De-lux




sorry to enter into your chat, but i fully agree with guts... if i ever get around to entering some comps (when my truck is up to scratch) it would be purely to see what i can do.

_________________
-Mick-

www.wake.com.au




Wooders


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Bugger "what my rig can do"....I'm going to have FUN.....
I think most know that they are not in contention for a podium finish, so to enter with any visions of $$$ is stoopid....beside even if someone like us managed a podium finish the "prize" would probably still not cover the true cost of entering it anyway.....(ie entry fees, vehicle prep and repairs)....
So that just leaves FUN

_________________
Cheers Wooders





FireTruck


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I am in it for the fun, and challenge, but if we happen to place somewhere and a wad a cash is offered I won't be at all offended... it would help to offset the costs, that's for sure...


Unfortunately wouldn't cover the costs for me though in this comp

This is what competition is all about to the majority of the competitors in OZ , These Guys have Nailed it ,
There is probly a dozen of the 33 that have an outright chance for the podium , with a decent run , The rest are there to see how they place
in the comp, and if blessed by the god of traction maybe crack a place.
If it wasnt for the also rans there is no game at all .
The number of candidates I think Tells the Tail.

IT must have been a real bummer For a few to have spent 1.5 - 2g'z
For the votes when it wasn,t needed .

Somone had to say it

Larry

[Wooders]

wasn't needed? Heck I was thinking I should have invested just a few more to get ahead of Pete"s 44" boggas....Instead of following directly behind

[Timmy]

Or this one:

"In these rules; any reference to State regulations or laws, or roadworthiness in State of registration, will be deemed to be met by the fact that the vehicle is registered.


Registration will be checked by comparing the licence plate number and VIN on the registration label against the licence plate number and VIN on the vehicle"

I may have missed it, but I haven't seen the following topic seriously discussed in any threads regarding the TTC.
I know this event is covered by public liability insurance, and I guess that the registration and roadworthiness requirement for this event is there to keep the insurance underwriters happy, but most of us know what insurance companies are like. They will weasel out of honoring claims any way they can and in the case of a spectator being seriously hurt or worse by one of the competitors losing control in a vehicle that obvously does not comply with any state of Australias vehicle modification laws may just give the insurers the excuse they need not to pay up. Then who does the injured party sue ? Not the competitors 3rd party insurance I wouldnt think because the vehicle was illegally registerd. Maybe they could sue every competitor and all the organisors of the event.
Can anyone enlighten me ?
Bill.

i'm pretty sure the injured party would sue the competitor, and i cant see why they wouldnt win, unless every spectator was made to sign a waiver form in the event of on entry to the comp.

[Wooders]

Jezzz lets not get carried away.
I think you'd find the spectator safety is better then many events.....Personally I'm surprised more people aren't wiped out spectating rally events.
The spectators are kept off the course and I find it hard to believe a rollover type of incident could in any way harm a spectator - the speed is too low & the distand too great.
That leaves recovery situations - and every time I'm observed recoveries people are told to move clear - which they don't always do - but jezz they ARE told.

Heck you could be watching cricket or (gawd forbid) golf and get spectators clonked on the head by a ball.....just where do you draw the line??? Sorry but insurance talk like this shytes me....

[Area54]

How many comps have you been to where a hub explodes when the driver stomps on it at an obstacle? The broken parts fly out faster than a snapping winch cable, with a deadly shrapnel like force.

Rocks get flung out from tyres, at a faster pace than anyone could outrun them, the size of footballs mind you.

The dangers aren't always from a controlled recovery situation...bunting will not stop everything.

I've been closer to these type of dangerous events than most would experience, as I have to be closer to the vehicles than most officials, and for more time than a navvy - one navvy only does his team - I film each vehicle on the course.

The dangers are there.

[Wooders]

Granded rocks can be spit out/roll......but at each event I've watched, the crowd is far enough way that it's not an issue - and if they aren't who's fault is that? Surely not the competitor

Hubs/etc - too be honest I've been to a few comps to spectate, but probably not as many as yourself. I can't reall seeing a hub or anything on a competiting vehicle detonate enough to send parts airborne.
I have seen winch/snatch cables break, and recvoery points fail - but not items like your described (not saying it doesn't happen just that I haven't seen it).

As for your filming - I have a tip....MOVE BACK.....Firstly as an avid viewer of offroad vids my personal opinion is that most footage is taken WAY too close . Secondly why the heck should you be closer to the vehicle that the officals & navie.......Sorry but too me that seems foolish.

[Area54]

Why film so close to the action, because that's where the action is baby. Why do people lean closer to the track, stretching the bunting? To get closer to the action so they can see better. Why do people pay big dollars for front row seats? To see the action better. Why stand so close to the track at a rally? To get closer to the action. People don't want to buy a video with action from 3 rows back mate, they want to feel like they are there, with a better view than a spectator.

No more foolish than the dangers of being a competitor or navigator.

[Wendle]

I find it hard to believe a rollover type of incident could in any way harm a spectator - the speed is too low & the distand too great.

ever rolled a car?

in every bad rollover i have been in (all have been at reasonably slow speeds) the first thing that has struck me when the car has stopped is how far away from the obstacle i have finished up. now if there is 50 people all trying to run away from the low side of a tumbling vehicle, all tripping over each other, with beers and cameras in hand, it would be quite easy for some of them to get stomped. even a gentle endo, or once over backwards, will more often than not travel at least twice the length of the car.

[Wooders]

Wendle,

Yup agree a vehicle can end up a far distance from an obsticle if it rolls (especially if there is a chance of mutilple rolls).... but again where does the responsibility lie? The competitor has no control over the course layout, the spectator positions.....So IMHO it's the orgainisers and track designers that should be looking at the trail and considering where a vehicle would likely to end up in the event of a roll and should have that area clearly designated as such....
So then it's between the organisers ensuring there is sufficent space and the individual spectators ensuring they adhere to the officals instructions..... comes back to there should be no recourse to the competitor in this sort of situation....

Area,
getting off topic...but there is a big differnce between live spectating compared to through a view finder.
Firstly from the point that you can the operator are not able to react as quickly/easily as someone not looking through a view finder.

Then generally there is some magnification or zoom with the view finder and lastly there is no perifial (sp?) vision with a view finder.
and these things mean that when the vid is watched on the screen may too much of it is (IMHO) too zoomed in and you lose the surroundings and atmosphere..... Viewing the last woodpecker vid I got sick of seeing the underside of the vehicles......
then again I got sick of many sections being truncated so you miseed the vehcile actually conquering the said obsticle.....Then the music.....then.... ops my soap box is breaking.....anyhow just constructive critasism from one viewer

[Area54]

Wendle,

Yup agree a vehicle can end up a far distance from an obsticle if it rolls (especially if there is a chance of mutilple rolls).... but again where does the responsibility lie? The competitor has no control over the course layout, the spectator positions.....So IMHO it's the orgainisers and track designers that should be looking at the trail and considering where a vehicle would likely to end up in the event of a roll and should have that area clearly designated as such....
So then it's between the organisers ensuring there is sufficent space and the individual spectators ensuring they adhere to the officals instructions..... comes back to there should be no recourse to the competitor in this sort of situation....

Area,
getting off topic...but there is a big differnce between live spectating compared to through a view finder.
Firstly from the point that you can the operator are not able to react as quickly/easily as someone not looking through a view finder.

Then generally there is some magnification or zoom with the view finder and lastly there is no perifial (sp?) vision with a view finder.
and these things mean that when the vid is watched on the screen may too much of it is (IMHO) too zoomed in and you lose the surroundings and atmosphere..... Viewing the last woodpecker vid I got sick of seeing the underside of the vehicles......
then again I got sick of many sections being truncated so you miseed the vehcile actually conquering the said obsticle.....Then the music.....then.... ops my soap box is breaking.....anyhow just constructive critasism from one viewer

Perhaps you have your wires crossed - I have nothing to do with Woodpecker or ORP, and you have never seen one of my videos...

[Wooders]

Could be mate:lol: ......so hopefully you know what I mean and don't employ that same disorentating style

[Area54]

I am a qualified professional. I won't comment on the styles of others, but through the feedback I receive, and the experience from shooting/production for many years, I know what the audience wants to see and how to go about it. I employ a lot more techniques than just holding the camera in my hand like the amatuers...

Enough from me, no more hijack.

[MissDrew]

I remember a debate I had with POS, RUFF and SAM about winching not being the only dangerous thing that can happen in a comp and that there are other facters that are just as bad. I was laughed at for saying it

Think it was in 1 of the many ttc threads.

[moose]

I remember a debate I had with POS, RUFF and SAM about winching not being the only dangerous thing that can happen in a comp and that there are other facters that are just as bad. I was laughed at for saying it

Think it was in 1 of the many ttc threads.

dont worry Guts !!
we will all be throwing stones at you anyway !!!!

now , back to the running order !!!

TTC website has been updated (to the same order as me , now !!!!)
so are ppl happy where they are placed ???

or dont really give a rats !! just go with the flow !!!!!!!!

[BOGAN V8]

were just happy we got in


were goning to give it a go and have heaps of fun no point in stuffing your truck just so you can get on the podum