some noob questions

[71MBO]

alrigh i am a bi of a noob when it comes to this i have jus brought a 2000 duel cab style side hilux i wanna get some wheels for it maybe some 35's and i was just wondering would i have to do any mods to make them fit also what would be some good suspension mods to get done.

i have a fair bit of knowledge about cars bu not so much about 4b's and i thought the only way to learn is to ask questions.
cheers timbo

[De-lux]

welcome to the endless joys of hilux 4x4ing...


1st. 2 inch bodylift. (cost = anywhere from $50 to $300 for a full kit)
2nd. 2 inch suspension lift (cost = anywhere from $500 to $4000)
3rd. bash out your wheel arches with a lump hammer to fit and you should be sweet.

they should fit after that.

[DamTriton]

Stupid noob Q's version 2:

Which model LC's have a center rear diff, what is the width WMS-WMS, and what ratios do they carry/can they be fitted with (hoping for about the 5.29?:1). Offset of the rims would be nice to know too, 15" rims OK??? (brake clearance)

I've done a search, but came up with zip.

Yes, there is a potential project happening........(fried the front diff in the Kia again )

[kroozer91]

Stupid noob Q's version 2:

Which model LC's have a center rear diff, what is the width WMS-WMS, and what ratios do they carry/can they be fitted with (hoping for about the 5.29?:1). Offset of the rims would be nice to know too, 15" rims OK??? (brake clearance)

I've done a search, but came up with zip.

Yes, there is a potential project happening........(fried the front diff in the Kia again )

do you mean a centre locking differential?

full time 4x4 lancruisers use them!

they come i think stock with 4.11 in the rear correct me if i am wrong

i have scaned my maintence manual here are the pages gary

hope they help sorry for the thread hijack

[DamTriton]

Stupid noob Q's version 2:

Which model LC's have a center rear diff, what is the width WMS-WMS, and what ratios do they carry/can they be fitted with (hoping for about the 5.29?:1). Offset of the rims would be nice to know too, 15" rims OK??? (brake clearance)

I've done a search, but came up with zip.

Yes, there is a potential project happening........(fried the front diff in the Kia again )

do you mean a centre locking differential?

full time 4x4 lancruisers use them!

they come i think stock with 4.11 in the rear correct me if i am wrong

i have scaned my maintence manual here are the pages gary

hope they help sorry for the thread hijack

Clarifying, centered vs offset. I can't use an offset rear due to fuel tank location being where the driveshaft would run.

[dumbdunce]

Stupid noob Q's version 2:

Which model LC's have a center rear diff, what is the width WMS-WMS, and what ratios do they carry/can they be fitted with (hoping for about the 5.29?:1). Offset of the rims would be nice to know too, 15" rims OK??? (brake clearance)

I've done a search, but came up with zip.

Yes, there is a potential project happening........(fried the front diff in the Kia again )

is this for the Sportage? a hilux rear axle has a (very close to) centred diff, a wider range of ratios (including 5.29 and lower), and a selection of widths, one of which will be suitable for your purpose. A landcruiser axle is way overkill for a smallver vehicle with some definite disdavantages, including a bigger bulge in the middle to hang you up on rocks, and a lot more weight to drag around. As a bonus, you can get 5.29's to suit hilux fron wreckers for as cheap as $50 for a whole diff (from 2.4 litre diesel hiace vans from the early '80s)

apart from some very early FJ40's (1960's? might even be FJ25 only?) all landcruisers have an offset rear diff. Your alternative for a centrerd output rear is Nissan Patrol.

does this help?

[ausyota]

welcome to the endless joys of hilux 4x4ing...


1st. 2 inch bodylift. (cost = anywhere from $50 to $300 for a full kit)
2nd. 2 inch suspension lift (cost = anywhere from $500 to $4000)
3rd. bash out your wheel arches with a lump hammer to fit and you should be sweet.

they should fit after that.

That will do for 33s.
35s will be quite a bit harder.
33 inch is about as big as you want to go on IFS anyway. Go bigger and you will be spitting front crownwheel teeth weekly. Not to mention Idler arms and CV joints.
If you want to play with the big boys you gotta SAS it.
Paul.

[diesel028]

welcome to the endless joys of hilux 4x4ing...


1st. 2 inch bodylift. (cost = anywhere from $50 to $300 for a full kit)
2nd. 2 inch suspension lift (cost = anywhere from $500 to $4000)
3rd. bash out your wheel arches with a lump hammer to fit and you should be sweet.

they should fit after that.

That will do for 33s.
35s will be quite a bit harder.
33 inch is about as big as you want to go on IFS anyway. Go bigger and you will be spitting front crownwheel teeth weekly. Not to mention Idler arms and CV joints.
If you want to play with the big boys you gotta SAS it.
Paul.

SAS = Solid Axle Swap

as in get rid of ur IFS and chuck a solid axle under the front

[71MBO]

ok well 33's it is also what would be a good brand of all terain tyre to buy and how much round about would i be looking at spending on tryes and rims

[De-lux]

welcome to the endless joys of hilux 4x4ing...


1st. 2 inch bodylift. (cost = anywhere from $50 to $300 for a full kit)
2nd. 2 inch suspension lift (cost = anywhere from $500 to $4000)
3rd. bash out your wheel arches with a lump hammer to fit and you should be sweet.

they should fit after that.

That will do for 33s.
35s will be quite a bit harder.
33 inch is about as big as you want to go on IFS anyway. Go bigger and you will be spitting front crownwheel teeth weekly. Not to mention Idler arms and CV joints.
If you want to play with the big boys you gotta SAS it.
Paul.

thats all i got and i can fit 35's comfortably... but then again, mine's a live front axle

[DamTriton]

Stupid noob Q's version 2:

Which model LC's have a center rear diff, what is the width WMS-WMS, and what ratios do they carry/can they be fitted with (hoping for about the 5.29?:1). Offset of the rims would be nice to know too, 15" rims OK??? (brake clearance)

I've done a search, but came up with zip.

Yes, there is a potential project happening........(fried the front diff in the Kia again )

is this for the Sportage? a hilux rear axle has a (very close to) centred diff, a wider range of ratios (including 5.29 and lower), and a selection of widths, one of which will be suitable for your purpose. A landcruiser axle is way overkill for a smallver vehicle with some definite disdavantages, including a bigger bulge in the middle to hang you up on rocks, and a lot more weight to drag around. As a bonus, you can get 5.29's to suit hilux fron wreckers for as cheap as $50 for a whole diff (from 2.4 litre diesel hiace vans from the early '80s)

apart from some very early FJ40's (1960's? might even be FJ25 only?) all landcruisers have an offset rear diff. Your alternative for a centrerd output rear is Nissan Patrol.

does this help?

Many thanks, and yes it is.....

Stock 15x6 rims with 45mm offset 205/70R15 tyres. Stock track is 1440mm - 205mm would be 1235 between the insides of the tyres minimum (tight fit even as standard).

So do you thing a hilux rear and 80 series(?) front would work (width and ratios)?

[high n mighty]

Stupid noob Q's version 2:

Which model LC's have a center rear diff, what is the width WMS-WMS, and what ratios do they carry/can they be fitted with (hoping for about the 5.29?:1). Offset of the rims would be nice to know too, 15" rims OK??? (brake clearance)

I've done a search, but came up with zip.

Yes, there is a potential project happening........(fried the front diff in the Kia again )

is this for the Sportage? a hilux rear axle has a (very close to) centred diff, a wider range of ratios (including 5.29 and lower), and a selection of widths, one of which will be suitable for your purpose. A landcruiser axle is way overkill for a smallver vehicle with some definite disdavantages, including a bigger bulge in the middle to hang you up on rocks, and a lot more weight to drag around. As a bonus, you can get 5.29's to suit hilux fron wreckers for as cheap as $50 for a whole diff (from 2.4 litre diesel hiace vans from the early '80s)

apart from some very early FJ40's (1960's? might even be FJ25 only?) all landcruisers have an offset rear diff. Your alternative for a centrerd output rear is Nissan Patrol.

does this help?

Many thanks, and yes it is.....

Stock 15x6 rims with 45mm offset 205/70R15 tyres. Stock track is 1440mm - 205mm would be 1235 between the insides of the tyres minimum (tight fit even as standard).

So do you thing a hilux rear and 80 series(?) front would work (width and ratios)?

Stick with hilux allround, no need for 80 stuff on the kia. I don't think a 5.29 to match is available anyway.

[DamTriton]

Stupid noob Q's version 2:

Which model LC's have a center rear diff, what is the width WMS-WMS, and what ratios do they carry/can they be fitted with (hoping for about the 5.29?:1). Offset of the rims would be nice to know too, 15" rims OK??? (brake clearance)

I've done a search, but came up with zip.

Yes, there is a potential project happening........(fried the front diff in the Kia again )

is this for the Sportage? a hilux rear axle has a (very close to) centred diff, a wider range of ratios (including 5.29 and lower), and a selection of widths, one of which will be suitable for your purpose. A landcruiser axle is way overkill for a smallver vehicle with some definite disdavantages, including a bigger bulge in the middle to hang you up on rocks, and a lot more weight to drag around. As a bonus, you can get 5.29's to suit hilux fron wreckers for as cheap as $50 for a whole diff (from 2.4 litre diesel hiace vans from the early '80s)

apart from some very early FJ40's (1960's? might even be FJ25 only?) all landcruisers have an offset rear diff. Your alternative for a centrerd output rear is Nissan Patrol.

does this help?

Many thanks, and yes it is.....

Stock 15x6 rims with 45mm offset 205/70R15 tyres. Stock track is 1440mm - 205mm would be 1235 between the insides of the tyres minimum (tight fit even as standard).

So do you thing a hilux rear and 80 series(?) front would work (width and ratios)?

Stick with hilux allround, no need for 80 stuff on the kia. I don't think a 5.29 to match is available anyway.

I'm around the 1700 kg ATM, and I have heard that Hilux CV's are like matchsticks, just concerned about the strength of the front end. Ppl assume that the Kia is a lightweight, but it is twice the weight of a Zook (other main swap for Lux diffs), and heavier than a Vitara, GV, XL-7, and Hilux single and dual cab by anywhere from 200-400kg.

Are there any stronger CV's that can be fitted to Hilux diffs, or even birfield eliminators?

[dumbdunce]

Stick with hilux allround, no need for 80 stuff on the kia. I don't think a 5.29 to match is available anyway.

you can get 5.29's for 80 series.

[dumbdunce]

Many thanks, and yes it is.....

Stock 15x6 rims with 45mm offset 205/70R15 tyres. Stock track is 1440mm - 205mm would be 1235 between the insides of the tyres minimum (tight fit even as standard).

So do you thing a hilux rear and 80 series(?) front would work (width and ratios)?

Stick with hilux allround, no need for 80 stuff on the kia. I don't think a 5.29 to match is available anyway.[/quote]

I'm around the 1700 kg ATM, and I have heard that Hilux CV's are like matchsticks, just concerned about the strength of the front end. Ppl assume that the Kia is a lightweight, but it is twice the weight of a Zook (other main swap for Lux diffs), and heavier than a Vitara, GV, XL-7, and Hilux single and dual cab by anywhere from 200-400kg.

Are there any stronger CV's that can be fitted to Hilux diffs, or even birfield eliminators?[/quote]

yes! talk to RUFF and he'll be happy to sell you a set of indestructible CV's for your hilux - but the stockers really aren't that weak to start with; they are identical to the CV's in 40,55 and 60 series landcruisers which can weigh in well over 2500kg. My bundera had the same CVs and I never broke one, it was 2350kg. You really only start breaking them if you add power and/or gearing (or have very little mechanical sympathy as a driver - eg lockers on, one front wheel in the air, other trying to climb a step, and full lock cranked in).

stick with the lux gear all round, it is cheap and available, and the 80 front will be way too wide for your application.

width wise someone else will have to get the figures to you, but I think you'll be right with an early hilux setup. be aware also that there are different "size" hilux diffs - the early models have a lighter diff centre casting and uses 45mm ID carrier bearings. the later models use 50mm ID carrier bearings and has bigger pinion bearings. Both use the same size 8" ring gear.

project sounds cool! are you going to 5-link the front and A-frame rear?

cheers

[DamTriton]

DamKia is going to have coils all around and I originally thought the 80 series would be easier to adapt (read quicker with less fab, this is my daily driver as well). Eventually I will be looking at a power upgrade/tranny swap/twinstick or deeper tcase gearing (next year $$$$!!) being another reason for the 80's. Easier to cut down an 80 than try to extend a Lux for width. The 80 would be plenty strong enough in the longside axle not to need to carry a spare.

As far as front suspension, might be a little bit restricted with the amount of room in the engine bay (28" engine to firewall) but I would like to fit a 5 link if possible now if not later, otherwise stick with the stock radius arms.

The rear has the fuel tank right up to the level of the diff and along the driveshaft lenth, making an A-frame a bit difficult. The original 5 link suspension mounts and geometry are capable of a respectable bit of flex as it is, but I am thinking along the line of a track bar (slightly offset to the passengers side), 2 links, and panhard.

Any other suggestions comments appreciated. Note that I am thinking out aloud (?!?!?) here and playing the devils advocate, so no offence intended, nor am I taking sides.

(should my part of this thread be transferred to a seperate thread? and to what area? Mods/Admin move it if you feel like. How about a new section - "Hybrids From Hell"??? )

[dumbdunce]

DamKia is going to have coils all around and I originally thought the 80 series would be easier to adapt initially (read quicker with less fab, this is my daily driver as well). Eventually I will be looking at a power upgrade/tranny swap/twinstick or deeper tcase gearing (next year $$$$!!) being another reason for the 80's.

I think whatever axles you pick, you'll need to chop everything off and start again, so the lux gear wins again, there isn't nearly as much junk on them as an 80 - front or rear. As for power up, transmissions, transfer etc it's hard to go past the hilux stuff for bolt-on adaptability. if you have the wheelbase and tranmission tunnel clearance for duals it would be awesome.

As far as front suspension, might be a little bit restricted with the amount of room in the engine bay (28" engine to firewall) but I would like to fit a 5 link if possible now if not later, otherwise stick with the stock radius arms.

doesn't it have IFS now? maybe a Bundera leading arm setup would be appropriate. I will at this point mention that 6 months ago I chopped up and threw away a bundera front axle housing because I couldn't give it away.

The rear has the fuel tank right up to the level of the diff and along the driveshaft lenth, making an A-frame a bit difficult. The original 5 link suspension mounts and geometry are capable of a respectable bit of flex as it is, but I am thinking along the line of a track bar (slightly offset to the passengers side), 2 links, and panhard.

if you have a 5-link already, stick with it. there is very little to be gained over it from other setups. the A-frame and the trackbar setup you describe will both have heaps of flex-steer so if it's workable to stick with the 5 link then do it.

[DamTriton]

Edited part of this thread now here

[Area54]

Not to be anal, but the kia has a 4 link rear. Only one upper link, two lower links and panhard.

[DamTriton]

Not to be anal, but the kia has a 4 link rear. Only one upper link, two lower links and panhard.

Sort of....The shortbody version (pre mid 2000) has four link, the longbody has a five link, upper links go to either side of the pumkin from a central origin on the crossmember (like a mini partial a frame).

[Area54]

Not to be anal, but the kia has a 4 link rear. Only one upper link, two lower links and panhard.

Sort of....The shortbody version (pre mid 2000) has four link, the longbody has a five link, upper links go to either side of the pumkin from a central origin on the crossmember (like a mini partial a frame).

My apologies Gary, wifes kia - early short body - 4 link rear, assumed no change in construction for later model.

[DamTriton]

Not to be anal, but the kia has a 4 link rear. Only one upper link, two lower links and panhard.

Sort of....The shortbody version (pre mid 2000) has four link, the longbody has a five link, upper links go to either side of the pumkin from a central origin on the crossmember (like a mini partial a frame).

My apologies Gary, wifes kia - early short body - 4 link rear, assumed no change in construction for later model.

No probs....

Aplogies for the hijacking, too

[Bolladar]

71MBO,

Getting back to your original question about bigger wheels/tyres on a IFS hilux, I am going throught the same process at the moment. I was originally going to go for 32's maybe 33's on 15' rims. The problem I found is that the hilux has a positive offset as standard and most of the 15' wheels available have a negative offset. The wheels and tyres will fit but as soon as you try to turn the wheel it will scrub.

The route I have chosen is to go for 16' rims with something like 265/75 16' tyres. The 16' wheels are available in a zero offset which should allow some clearance when the wheel is turned. The 265/75's have a bit more height than 32's but are slightly narrower, this will give you the ground clearance you need.

Will probably also need a 2' body lift, but I was planning on this anyway.

Hope this helps.

[+dj_hansen+]

GaryInOz... 90 series prados' have a centre offset rear diff, full floater, coils, 5 link, and disc brakes.. dont know WMS-WMS tho sorry.. prob stronger than hilux aswell...

[dumbdunce]

GaryInOz... 90 series prados' have a centre offset rear diff, full floater, coils, 5 link, and disc brakes.. dont know WMS-WMS tho sorry.. prob stronger than hilux aswell...

prado rear axle is essentially a hilux axle, it has the same 8" differential as turbo/V6 hilux/4runner (possibly some models have a marginally larger diff? but it's nothing like a full size landcruiser 9.5") and is definitely not a full floater. yes it has disk brakes and 5 link, so in that respect it would be a suitable candidate for the swap, although the 5 link would probably have to be chopped or midified to suit the kia chassis. would be a fair bit more expensive to get a hold of than a pair of hilux axles.