**rant on**
Did anyone else see the the light gold GU patrol filled to the hilt with kids towing a galvanised offroad camper trailor along the Ipswich motorway (QLD) on thursday afternoon??
Well outside the caravan park in Goodna it blew the retread off the right side of the camper trailer. After much fish tailing he managed to bring it under control & pulled over.
However from the looks of it as I was dodging pieces of rubber left all over the road, he had no spare tyre for the trailor (drawbar had tool box on it & had no side racks) & the patrol had different size tyres.
This turkey made three mistakes as far as I see:
1. Using retreads
2. No spare
3. Different size tyres between trailor & tow vehicle.
It held traffic up considerably as traffic had to slow down to miss the rubber left all over the road. No doubt it hasn't added to the reputation of 4x4 owners. Some prior preparation, planning & maintainence would have prevented this & not ruined his camping trip before it started.
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Never buy retreads they are Dangerous & should be made Illegal
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What makes you sure it was a retread and not just an underinflated/deflating tyre going to bits?
Maybe the trailer spare was under the trailer or somewhere you couldn't see while you were 'dodging pieces of rubber'?
Maybe you could have stopped to offer assistance and share your wealth of knowledge/experience/skills?
As long as the trailer had same stud pattern as tow vehicle, and the tow vehicle tyre physically fits without interference on the trailer, what does it matter if its a different size for the purpose of emergency use?
Maybe the trailer spare was under the trailer or somewhere you couldn't see while you were 'dodging pieces of rubber'?
Maybe you could have stopped to offer assistance and share your wealth of knowledge/experience/skills?
As long as the trailer had same stud pattern as tow vehicle, and the tow vehicle tyre physically fits without interference on the trailer, what does it matter if its a different size for the purpose of emergency use?
I thought the difference between car retreads and truck retreads is to do with the original tyre design. I was told that trucks tyre cases are designed to be retreaded and have the strength or whatever to last. Whereas a car tyre casing is designed to be at the end of its life once the original tread wears out.
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When i first moved out of the city & started to travel a lot of Km's i was on retreads had no end of trouble with them
Spoke to a tyre fitter about them & was told they are no good for speeds over 90 & dont do to good in the heat
You get what you pay for
Spoke to a tyre fitter about them & was told they are no good for speeds over 90 & dont do to good in the heat
You get what you pay for
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longlux wrote:When i first moved out of the city & started to travel a lot of Km's i was on retreads had no end of trouble with them
Spoke to a tyre fitter about them & was told they are no good for speeds over 90 & dont do to good in the heat
You get what you pay for
Most if not all retreads are speed limited. Motorway's are speed limited to 120KM..... isn't that enough speed for a 4BY?
derangedrover wrote:What makes you sure it was a retread and not just an underinflated/deflating tyre going to bits?
Maybe the trailer spare was under the trailer or somewhere you couldn't see while you were 'dodging pieces of rubber'?
Maybe you could have stopped to offer assistance and share your wealth of knowledge/experience/skills?
As long as the trailer had same stud pattern as tow vehicle, and the tow vehicle tyre physically fits without interference on the trailer, what does it matter if its a different size for the purpose of emergency use?
You are right, I should have stopped & helped, but we all lead busy lives & I had a meeting to attend.
And while I didn't stop & ask if it was a retread, I have never seen a radial tyre delaminate & peel the tread off in 1 piece, leaving a 2.5m strip of rubber on the road. The other pieces of rubber came off the sidewall which had to carry the weight of a fully laidened trailor. The tyre was a complete mess after the incident.
Isn't that the claim to fame of radials?? The steel belts "hold" the tread onto the carcass, meaning you have a safer tyre as well as one that is more dimensionally stable??
The spare could have been mounted underneath, however I dont recall seeing too many trailers with this setup. So it was an educated deduction. The original point was that if he didn't use retreads, he wouldn't have caused a major traffic incident as a radial would have just gone flat, not delaminated all over the road.
This incident no doubt affected a few hundred people & all of them would have seen a "big nasty 4x4" was the cause. We all need less incidents like this if we want to keep our 4x4's in the city.
The other problems would have occured if was using retreads or not.
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tankekwee1972 wrote:longlux wrote:When i first moved out of the city & started to travel a lot of Km's i was on retreads had no end of trouble with them
Spoke to a tyre fitter about them & was told they are no good for speeds over 90 & dont do to good in the heat
You get what you pay for
Most if not all retreads are speed limited. Motorway's are speed limited to 120KM..... isn't that enough speed for a 4BY?
If you want to do that speed on a retread you have a death wish
Spend the money on some good quality new rubber your life & others are at risk
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Re: Good reason not to use retreads
Very few trailers have the same wheel/ tyre size as the tow vehicle unless ordered/ built that way - my camper has small 4 stud wheels and there is no way the 16x7's off my rangie will fit even in an emergency.Mytqik wrote:**rant on**
Did anyone else see the the light gold GU patrol filled to the hilt with kids towing a galvanised offroad camper trailor along the Ipswich motorway (QLD) on thursday afternoon??
Well outside the caravan park in Goodna it blew the retread off the right side of the camper trailer. After much fish tailing he managed to bring it under control & pulled over.
However from the looks of it as I was dodging pieces of rubber left all over the road, he had no spare tyre for the trailor (drawbar had tool box on it & had no side racks) & the patrol had different size tyres.
This turkey made three mistakes as far as I see:
1. Using retreads
2. No spare
3. Different size tyres between trailor & tow vehicle.
It held traffic up considerably as traffic had to slow down to miss the rubber left all over the road. No doubt it hasn't added to the reputation of 4x4 owners. Some prior preparation, planning & maintainence would have prevented this & not ruined his camping trip before it started.
**Rant off**
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retread or new on a camper trailer in most cases can have the potential to end up self destructing ,because the tyre might be 5 or more years old and still have 50%or beter tread on them but only get used once or twice a year .buy this time the tyres have deteriated in quality but dont get replace because the tyre tread sitll appears to be good.another thing commonly neglected on trailers are wheel bearings ,its a pity these things dont seem to attract the same maintanence as the car pulling them
tankekwee1972 wrote:longlux wrote:When i first moved out of the city & started to travel a lot of Km's i was on retreads had no end of trouble with them
Spoke to a tyre fitter about them & was told they are no good for speeds over 90 & dont do to good in the heat
You get what you pay for
Most if not all retreads are speed limited. Motorway's are speed limited to 120KM..... isn't that enough speed for a 4BY?
motorway car tyres say 140km/h . 4x4 tyres 120km/h
this is only a gide ...
i use motorway monoforms on my work ute l/c fj45 v8 . neaver had a problem ... and all motorway tryes have a full warranty as long as they have legal tread ... not many tyre companys have warranty on there tyres ....
i have seen more big brand tyres fail than reteads .....
as a reseller of motorway tyres i would recomend these tyres 4x4 light truck , car tyres etc ...
i sold a set or motorway cheaters 225/50/16 for a ss vt comodore , i belive these tyres have been over 200km/h and neaver had a problem ...
i carn't speak for all the other retreaders out there as i havn't used there tyres ...
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Mytqik wrote:derangedrover wrote:What makes you sure it was a retread and not just an underinflated/deflating tyre going to bits?
Maybe the trailer spare was under the trailer or somewhere you couldn't see while you were 'dodging pieces of rubber'?
Maybe you could have stopped to offer assistance and share your wealth of knowledge/experience/skills?
As long as the trailer had same stud pattern as tow vehicle, and the tow vehicle tyre physically fits without interference on the trailer, what does it matter if its a different size for the purpose of emergency use?
You are right, I should have stopped & helped, but we all lead busy lives & I had a meeting to attend.
And while I didn't stop & ask if it was a retread, I have never seen a radial tyre delaminate & peel the tread off in 1 piece, leaving a 2.5m strip of rubber on the road. The other pieces of rubber came off the sidewall which had to carry the weight of a fully laidened trailor. The tyre was a complete mess after the incident.
Isn't that the claim to fame of radials?? The steel belts "hold" the tread onto the carcass, meaning you have a safer tyre as well as one that is more dimensionally stable??
The spare could have been mounted underneath, however I dont recall seeing too many trailers with this setup. So it was an educated deduction. The original point was that if he didn't use retreads, he wouldn't have caused a major traffic incident as a radial would have just gone flat, not delaminated all over the road.
This incident no doubt affected a few hundred people & all of them would have seen a "big nasty 4x4" was the cause. We all need less incidents like this if we want to keep our 4x4's in the city.
The other problems would have occured if was using retreads or not.
While I have run retreads in the past and had no problems, I have had a radial tyre let go at highway speeds and shed its self in the process. Tyre went flat, side wall disintegrated, tread left in a big hurry and made a mess of the wheel. Was a rear tyre by the way so no big difference in car feel. Only noticed it when the car slowed suddenly and made lots of steel on tar noise.
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, opinoins on retreads and monoforms will always be different, but i would have to back rochopper, have run motroways, muds, both retread and the monoforms and the mongrels at over rated speeds(not on public roads of course 
) but never at any trouble with blow outs beads etc, ot the quality of the carcass and moulding, rant off, hope everyone had a good easter 
, opinoins on retreads and monoforms will always be different, but i would have to back rochopper, have run motroways, muds, both retread and the monoforms and the mongrels at over rated speeds(not on public roads of course ) but never at any trouble with blow outs beads etc, ot the quality of the carcass and moulding, rant off, hope everyone had a good easter Eliteforce Heavy Fabrication
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foad wrote: it's when trucks use them and they go over the rated speed or load, but they are still dodgy.
Why are they dodgey to be used on trucks ??????
As long as they are first cap/retread they are as good as a clean skin and can be run on any axle except the steer, 2nd cap and only on the trailer.
All the ones you see from blown from trucks are usually been re-treaded 3 times or more.
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Thats not correct as all of the biggest companys use them due to it cost so little to purchase them.
I use re-treads only on my bogie axle box trailer due to if 1 blows it will still track straight unlike a single axle trailer
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A friend buoght a socond hand car from a dealer with BRAND NEW TYRES, turned out they were retreads.....moral of the story is that many people won't recocnize a retread, and many people will put new retreads on a trailer / vehivle prior to sale to boost value....chances are the guy either didn't know they were retreas, or couldn't be arsed buying new tyres due to there been plenty of tread left or thought that they would be fine
I have run monoform muddies at 8 psi in the snow with no bead locks etc with no probs, have had loads of over a tone and have exceeded the suggested limit. the tyres now have chunks out of the sid walls and have worn down to be almost ready for replacment with a new set od MTRs. the monoforms were a tempory fix in a time between jobs, and have been astounded at the quality.
Can I suggest to not jump to conclusions....if you stopped to help him and found out the story then you would be able to judge, but not before.
as for retreads, they serve a purpose, but a full remould like the monoforms are a better option and are similar in price and shouldn't peel like the retreads.
so how many people have regrooved there pedes???
I have run monoform muddies at 8 psi in the snow with no bead locks etc with no probs, have had loads of over a tone and have exceeded the suggested limit. the tyres now have chunks out of the sid walls and have worn down to be almost ready for replacment with a new set od MTRs. the monoforms were a tempory fix in a time between jobs, and have been astounded at the quality.
Can I suggest to not jump to conclusions....if you stopped to help him and found out the story then you would be able to judge, but not before.
as for retreads, they serve a purpose, but a full remould like the monoforms are a better option and are similar in price and shouldn't peel like the retreads.
so how many people have regrooved there pedes???
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Most tyre failures happen due to 2 reasons, not weather they are a retread or new tyre. Reason 1 is overloading and reason 2 is low pressures. Both of these have the same effect on the tyre which is to over heat it. If this heat builds to high a new tyre will separate as easy as a retread. As a point of interest a good deal of tread caps you see on the side of the road are not retreads but have come off first run tyres. These tyre have usually suffered loss of pressure and the driver has not noticed and continued to drive heat has built up to the point where the tyre will destroy it self
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