MK LWB spring over is it worth it?

[InSanE]

hi all i have a MK LWB SD33T with 2" spring 2" shackle and 2" body and wondering if it is worth going to the effort of SOA? and what the benifits are

[Screwy]

if u go SOA u will need to get rid of all that other lift cause she will be massive

SOA, enables the ability for better flex as u can run flatter leaves while rataining hieght.

u get lift

u can put bigger tyres on.

about 6 inches of lift gained plus tyres.

[InSanE]

a mate of mine with a mwb cruiser did leaf over on the rear and extended his spring mounts and reverse shackles the front to make it more simple what do you think of that approach?

[DR Frankenstine]

I wouldn't do one on a LWB

[Screwy]

I would never do one again at all period.

IF i was ever to start from scratch without pooring the dollars into mine already....

Id have different diffs, SOA in the front on different diffs, and air shocks in the rear

thats just me though

[coxy321]

You should ask patrol dude how his little soa experiment went. He had 2" body lift, fairly fit springs, 33's, and the soa. But not for very long!! It was huge!! The top of his wheelarch was level with my nipples!!! And i'm about 5'10". There IS a limit to height.

Coxy

[mud13s]

Patroldudes truck was still that big last night when I saw it, reckon it would be a scary ride on the road, even the towey that took it home for him winged about it!

As to original Q about SOA dunno mate im still on 31's with sagged springs

[berazafi]

im on 34inch jts with sagged springs, i am looking at doing something, but for the types of comps i wont to do, spoa probably is not the best option.

[InSanE]

good stuff i think i will do it would be nice to run 38's and laugh at my toyota mates with there 33's

[coxy321]

If you want my personal opinion, I'd say to make sure the soa gets done properly, take out the body lift and extended shackles. Trust me, these WONT be needed.

It'd problyalso pay to have a good talk to Screwy and get a few ideas from him, as I'm told that he's the MQ-MK "Oricle". Maybe if Screwy could post up a few idea's of how he would do it next time.....??

Cheers - Coxy

[coxy321]

Hey InSanE, guess what mate?? Might just have the thing for you!

Send patroldude a PM or call him on 0410343735, he just so happens to have a SOA kit up for sale. Around the $1300ish mark. Thats cheap!

[Screwy]

Personally,

If starting from scratch with an MQ/MK

you have to decide on what u intend on doing with it as to the mods u will need.

In a hardcore comp seen, like wat im aiming for.....

If i was to respend my money over again, i must say that i wouldnt do a spring over on MQ/MK diffs under the standard form patrol design at all.

If u want a capable high offroader, thats going to work well and not for comp seen, then sure a SOA is probably a good idea, as long as u run flat springs and remove majority of other lift out.

a tourer rig i would do a SOA at all, maybe 2 inch springs and some shackles and abit of body lift.....

I have made the mistake throughout my build of modding it and modding it and modding it, and then changing my mind as to wat i want and not being happy with mods i have done and re doing things and changing things.

therefore, its to your benefit cause i have tryed everything

But my dimise as i have spent lots of money and am still not 100 percent happy with the final project. I would love to change motor, gearbox, tyres, diffs, and at least rear suspension and steering...
which is basically the whole car.
So im pulling the pin and finishing it and just wheeling it.

Will build something from scratch again if i ever want to go through with final mods.

at the end of the day, the more money u put in the less u will get back on resale

If i did all the mods i wanted now, id still get the same for it then as i would now.

I will have a build up thread in members re started in the next few days.
keep an eye out in members

[DR Frankenstine]

The only mistake you made screwy is you didn't listen to me when i tried to tell you how to do it easy. You tried to get to fancy and turned it into a lot of hard work for very little gain.

[DR Frankenstine]

What about this one

[DR Frankenstine]

or this one

[Screwy]

Nah.....

my mistake is that im running the wrong motor, gearbox and diffs

it just took me 12 months of buggerrising around to realise that

my setup will work well

[MARKx4]

Lets not start saying listen to what i say. There are good shots of MQ/MK's that are sprung over with flexed up shots in the members section. Have a look and if what you see is what you want go for it. There is no other mod you can do using standard set up(except steering) that would give you better flex. Just dont run any other lift with the spoa is the key.

[Screwy]

Lets not start saying listen to what i say. There are good shots of MQ/MK's that are sprung over with flexed up shots in the members section. Have a look and if what you see is what you want go for it. There is no other mod you can do using standard set up(except steering) that would give you better flex. Just dont run any other lift with the spoa is the key.

yep

[V8Patrol]

I have made the mistake throughout my build of modding it and modding it and modding it, and then changing my mind as to wat i want and not being happy with mods i have done and re doing things and changing things.

At a guess I'd recon 99% of your problems are right there.




The "learning curve" of getting better stuff, more flex, more power, bigger tyres, etc etc is a long and extensive one in which few if any ppl get right first up.
What works for one person will not work the way another person requires it to work at all.

Every-one has his/her opinion and some ( all be it few ) actually have the hands on experiance and knowledge to do such mods having done them on heaps of other occasions.

As for an SOA on a LWB ......... why not

Just because others have failed or wont or cant recemend it doesnt meant it cant be done or cant be done in a differant manner to what others have tried, the key is to experiment and have a final goal in mind and stick to it. Constant "plan changes" will result in an unthoughtout project that will become an endless trail of errors and remodifications.... Jeffs experiance is typical under this type of situation.

I asked OL members in the Toyota section about an SOA for a troopy a year or so ago, I got told by heaps that it was a huge mistake to attempt it because of [ enter a fawkin great long list ] reasons..... turns out it wasnt such a great drama as I expected although the fine tuning was a bit more involved to offset some of the reasons on the great big long list.
Turns out that none of the guys had actually attempted it and were going soley on gossip/ old wives tales...... I now know better having done it.


1/
PLANNING
Know EXACTLY what it is you are trying to achive..... more chassis clearance, bigger tyres, better flex ...... which one is it YOU want ?
If all you want is a bit more lift then a SOA ISNT for you.

2/
RESEARCH
Search is your only true friend.
Sure others will mouth off at what they "did" and "tell" you what to do, better to be sure of what they did ACTUALLY do them selves and compare it to what others actually did do. Hands on experiance is far more valuable then some-one who "watched" one being done although the line between the two is often blurred.

3/
BUDGET
ASK others what it cost them to get a feel for the expences you are about to encounter, no point planing for a SOA for around a grand when no-one can do it for that for you.
Are you doing the work yourself ?, if not them its time to fatten up your wallet.
Be prepared for unforseen expences.......... how much is a 4 litre of diff oil again ?

4/
DESIGN
The basic principles are much the same between most SOA's and the differances are minimal in most cases.... BUT there are differances.
Have a look around and see what others have done in their designs and watch for the minor changes that have been made due to an unplanned error/ miscalulation.

5/
PARTS
Obtain the nessecary parts BEFORE YOU START, nothing worse than waiting for a couple of weeks for a brakeline extension to finish off the job.
While some things cant be done untill the basic SOA has been done ( IE: Tailshafts ) many others can be done and be sitting ready to fit.

6/
FIRST DRIVE
Be prepared to brakedown, take a mobile phone and a good toolbox. There will be something you forgot to tighten. Once you've driven a few miles then park it back in the w/shop n DOUBLE CHECK EVERYTHING.
Ask Jeff how many times his front Ubolts came loose !

7/
FINE TUNING
This is where the heartace is.... Only trial n error seems to work in each individual case..... what worked for one person may not work for you but people can guide you by saying what "I" tried before settling on the final design that works for ME and my rig.


Kingy

[coxy321]

Yup. What he said.

[Screwy]

meh

I am happy with it now and it will perform for wat i need it for, anything from here is a want

And i can happily say ive tryed many things, and next time i build a rig ill get it right

Originally i wanted something like kingys, i then got it to that level and wasnt happy so decided to take it up a notch

[MARKx4]

i then got it to that level and wasnt happy so decided to take it up a notch

Thats what we all want to do. Thats why we can change things

[DR Frankenstine]

He He He I wish there was an emoticon of a tuna on a fishing rod...
Reel em in Jeff (screwy)

[Screwy]

He He He I wish there was an emoticon of a tuna on a fishing rod...
Reel em in Jeff (screwy)