dislocating or retained

Website · Post by **cooter** » Mon Jun 27, 2005 10:02 pm

okay another question which do you find gives safer weight distribution and sturdiness dislocating springs or retained the question is regarding my 94 disco

Post by **GURU** » Tue Jun 28, 2005 12:42 am

retained will....the spring will stretch when you retain it properly.

Post by **GRIMACE** » Tue Jun 28, 2005 8:38 am

Retained

Post by **HSV Rangie** » Tue Jun 28, 2005 8:43 am

Post by **86MUD** » Tue Jun 28, 2005 8:57 am

...and what is the best way to retain the spring at the top of the housing??

Cheers

Andrew

Post by **GRIMACE** » Tue Jun 28, 2005 9:29 am

86MUD wrote:...and what is the best way to retain the spring at the top of the housing??

Cheers

Andrew

zip ties

or for a better longer lasting retainer - large hose clamps

Post by **RaginRover** » Tue Jun 28, 2005 9:35 am

make some little 'L' shaped brackets out of 15mmx5mm steel and mig the long end on to the spring hanger and then short end will hang on to the coils.

When you want to change the cols you can bend the back with a shifter

Tom

Post by **86MUD** » Tue Jun 28, 2005 11:07 am

Gee...what a choice...

But I might go for the pipe clamp option to start with...

Sorry Anthony....I had a bad experience with Zip ties when I was a small child....javascript:emoticon(':lol:')

Cheers

Andrew

Post by **isuzu110** » Tue Jun 28, 2005 2:01 pm

Make sure you carry extra extra hose clamps. I have two on each rear spring and had them let go at Levuka recently with a big bang. Had to pop the spring back in and replace the clamps.

Post by **DiscoDino** » Tue Jun 28, 2005 2:32 pm

you can go with www.expeditionexchange.com retainers...

Post by **landy_man** » Tue Jun 28, 2005 5:48 pm

can vouch for the hose clamps...
I use large, stainless hose clamps on mine and they seem to be olding up alright...
Just use a couple per side...

Post by **Bush65** » Tue Jun 28, 2005 10:15 pm

For the rear, you can make a retainer for the top, similar to the bolted flat bar used to retain the bottom of the spring.

The bottom retainer should be beefed up as well by using a larger cross section flat bar.

By retaining the springs, the unsprung weight (wheel, tyre and axle) improves the stability. The body wont lean as much (body lean on cross slopes reduces stability because it shifts the centre of gravity towards the low side). The retained rear springs force the front suspension to work much better.

Website · Post by **cooter** » Tue Jun 28, 2005 10:20 pm

i have made flat bar retainers due to the fact that i had some flat bar just laying around 4 the top but have not decided on what to use at the bottom as my shocks allow the spring to hang in the breeze also how far will they stretch before they will pick a wheel up

Post by **GURU** » Tue Jun 28, 2005 10:46 pm

cooter wrote:also how far will they stretch before they will pick a wheel up

as far as your shock goes, easily.

RR springs (even aftermarket lifted one) stretch a long way as they are not a very thick wire thickness and have plenty of coils in each spring

Website · Post by **cooter** » Tue Jun 28, 2005 11:05 pm

aast my disco is now i am in no need for lockers as i always am in contact with the ground so far anyway so i would hate to jeapordise this

Post by **Micka** » Wed Jun 29, 2005 7:42 am

cooter wrote:aast my disco is now i am in no need for lockers as i always am in contact with the ground so far anyway so i would hate to jeapordise this

Just having the wheels in contact with the ground does not exclude you from needing lockers. You can still have all four firmly planted and spin a wheel each end - and go nowhere

Off-set rims can also add to the cross-slope stability of your Disco. With rims that have a 2" off-set, you instanly get a 4" wider track

Micka

Website · Post by **cooter** » Wed Jun 29, 2005 10:37 pm

Micka wrote:
cooter wrote:aast my disco is now i am in no need for lockers as i always am in contact with the ground so far anyway so i would hate to jeapordise this
Just having the wheels in contact with the ground does not exclude you from needing lockers. You can still have all four firmly planted and spin a wheel each end - and go nowhere

Off-set rims can also add to the cross-slope stability of your Disco. With rims that have a 2" off-set, you instanly get a 4" wider track

Micka

i meant so far as i am just getting back into the sport as i have been into falcons and rally driving for 4 years and decided to try something diferent and safer

lockers are out of my price range at the moment so good travel and great tyres are my only option

Post by **ISUZUROVER** » Wed Jun 29, 2005 11:22 pm

cooter wrote: lockers are out of my price range at the moment so good travel and great tyres are my only option

Over the years I have seen a lot accomplished without lockers with a combination of good travel, good driving/wheel placement, and suitable tyre design and pressure. A lot of times I have seen an unlocked car walk through where a double locked one had lots of trouble - but it has a LOT to do with the driver.

However, as you tackle harder and harder tracks you will find that eventually a locker becomes necessary, and on some types of terrain, no matter how much travel you have you will notice a big difference without the locker. Such as loose rocky climbs, where locked vehicles can walk up, but unlocked need to use a lot more wheelspeed to overcome the little bits of wheel spin as rocks are disloged.

Post by **Micka** » Wed Jun 29, 2005 11:37 pm

lockers are out of my price range at the moment so good travel and great tyres are my only option[/quote]

Try Brittish Off Road. They have a large selection of 2nd hand MD lockers,axels,flanges ect for a fraction of the cost of new ones.

Micka

Post by **Tdi200** » Thu Jun 30, 2005 8:55 pm

Micka wrote:lockers are out of my price range at the moment so good travel and great tyres are my only option

Try Brittish Off Road. They have a large selection of 2nd hand MD lockers,axels,flanges ect for a fraction of the cost of new ones.

Micka[/quote]

Hey Micka, any more info where this guy is, e-mail address, website, fax, anything............

I am interested in getting an 2nd hand locker for my leafed salisbury, if they have!

Grem

Post by **ISUZUROVER** » Thu Jun 30, 2005 9:01 pm

Tdi200 wrote:
Hey Micka, any more info where this guy is, e-mail address, website, fax, anything............

I am interested in getting an 2nd hand locker for my leafed salisbury, if they have!

Grem

British Offroad

Bruce Hwy
Forest Glen
QLD, 4556
Australia

Ph: (07) 5445 1094

Post by **Micka** » Thu Jun 30, 2005 9:41 pm

ISUZUROVER wrote:
Tdi200 wrote:
Hey Micka, any more info where this guy is, e-mail address, website, fax, anything............

I am interested in getting an 2nd hand locker for my leafed salisbury, if they have!

Grem
British Offroad

Bruce Hwy
Forest Glen
QLD, 4556
Australia

Ph: (07) 5445 1094

Thank you, IsuzuRover...

Micka.

Post by **Slunnie** » Fri Feb 10, 2006 10:00 pm

Retained/unretained?

Hows this! I've got a uted IIa with leaves at the front which has had 1/2 of the leaf pack removed (alternate springs). The rear is coil sprung with the lightest RRC coils I could find (14.7mm and 10 coils I think) - mind you there is next to no weight on them.

Unretained, I barely could lift a rear wheel 20cm before the opposite sides spring well and truely dislocated. As soon as I retained that spring from dislocating with a strap, I could then lift a rear wheel by 650-750mm!

By having the springs retained, this then forced the front end to flex (though not nearly enough), whereas previously it seemed not to budge. Also judging by this, it seems that the shocks may infact take a lot more load when articulating, than just carrying the weight of the axle and tyre.

Post by **Bush65** » Sun Feb 12, 2006 5:22 pm

Slunnie wrote:...By having the springs retained, this then forced the front end to flex (though not nearly enough), whereas previously it seemed not to budge. Also judging by this, it seems that the shocks may infact take a lot more load when articulating, than just carrying the weight of the axle and tyre.

If longer shocks allow, a retained spring will extended more than it's free length. The spring load goes from compression to tension and the spring tension reduces the load on the shockie and it's mounts when the shockie bottoms out.

Website · Post by **Maggot4x4** » Sun Feb 12, 2006 9:22 pm

Micka wrote:lockers are out of my price range at the moment so good travel and great tyres are my only option

Try Brittish Off Road. They have a large selection of 2nd hand MD lockers,axels,flanges ect for a fraction of the cost of new ones.

Micka[/quote]

Doesn't he have MQ patrol diffs? Making that not an option.

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