TD42 wont start **URGENT** again...........

[mickyd555]

its a GU patrol with a td42, the starter moter spins and it sounds like its throwing out, but the engine wont turn over. It has been sitting since last sunday and hasnt been cleaned since some mud crossings. but i havent had a problem untill now...........any ideas, i wanted to go wheeling tomorow

[toughnut]

If it's spinning up but not engaging it would most likely be one of two things. Get a hammer and tap the solenoid on the starter motor and it should engage or there are teeth missing on your fly wheel or starter gear or the gear has sheared the locating lug. Try tapping the solenoid first, I'd say that's your problem. Its just rusted up a bit from sitting.

[mickyd555]

i thought that could be it. i tapped the starter moter body itself.......and nothing. ill go try it again pls tell me the gear on the starter moter is weaker than the flywheel.................

[toughnut]

Yeah. You'll shear the locating lug first.

[dumbdunce]

auto or manual?

get the starter motor off and hose out the bellhousing through the starter hole, to get any mud out of there.

bench test the starter to make sure it is through the gear out etc - might just need a wash down.


stay out of mud,mmmkay?

[mickyd555]

auto or manual?

get the starter motor off and hose out the bellhousing through the starter hole, to get any mud out of there.

bench test the starter to make sure it is through the gear out etc - might just need a wash down.


stay out of mud,mmmkay?

thanks dumdance, i had to try out the new STT's.........i hope i dont need a replacement. do they sell starter moters at crazy clarks

[dumbdunce]

auto or manual?

get the starter motor off and hose out the bellhousing through the starter hole, to get any mud out of there.

bench test the starter to make sure it is through the gear out etc - might just need a wash down.


stay out of mud,mmmkay?

thanks dumdance, i had to try out the new STT's.........i hope i dont need a replacement. do they sell starter moters at crazy clarks

they do but they are cheap chinese knockoffs that will only last 2 - 3 starts.

I reckon of you tried you could get a TD42 starter this arvo if you need one, (isn't it the same as TB42??) there must be a dozen people on this board in bris with a spare one lying around.

[mickyd555]

ok, it wont go, should i try clutch starting it first or just rip the starter off???

if i should be ripping the starter off, i can only see 3 bolts. if i undo them will it come straight off or do i need to do something else aswell??

[Daisy]

ok, it wont go, should i try clutch starting it first or just rip the starter off???

if i should be ripping the starter off, i can only see 3 bolts. if i undo them will it come straight off or do i need to do something else aswell??

rip the starter right off and bench test it..

if you're desperate to go wheeling.. - clutch start it and go for a quick drive with a plastic plate over the starter motor hole and learn to drive it without stalling

I lasted a whole day on a burnt starter motor on my 2.8 which was removed and an ice cream carton cut up to cover the hole with bolts on it.

Drove 8 hours offroad in tamborine tracks (light to medium) no serious hardcore shiat... but....

my mates 80 series shit its gearbox and i towed it home all the way from tamborine (near ormeau) to paradise point (gold coast) without stalling ..

takes practice

the new starter was ready to be picked up a few days later.. but didnt stop the clutch from shittin itself a month later and the whole engine binned for a 4.2 turbo diesel and new box

[mickyd555]

ok, it wont go, should i try clutch starting it first or just rip the starter off???

if i should be ripping the starter off, i can only see 3 bolts. if i undo them will it come straight off or do i need to do something else aswell??

rip the starter right off and bench test it..

if you're desperate to go wheeling.. - clutch start it and go for a quick drive with a plastic plate over the starter motor hole and learn to drive it without stalling

I lasted a whole day on a burnt starter motor on my 2.8 which was removed and an ice cream carton cut up to cover the hole with bolts on it.

Drove 8 hours offroad in tamborine tracks (light to medium) no serious hardcore shiat... but....

my mates 80 series shit its gearbox and i towed it home all the way from tamborine (near ormeau) to paradise point (gold coast) without stalling ..

takes practice

the new starter was ready to be picked up a few days later.. but didnt stop the clutch from shittin itself a month later and the whole engine binned for a 4.2 turbo diesel and new box

yeh, so to just check, all i have to do is undo the three bolts and she will come off??

ive never had to take a starter off b4.........

[dumbdunce]

ok, it wont go, should i try clutch starting it first or just rip the starter off???

if i should be ripping the starter off, i can only see 3 bolts. if i undo them will it come straight off or do i need to do something else aswell??

rip the starter right off and bench test it..

if you're desperate to go wheeling.. - clutch start it and go for a quick drive with a plastic plate over the starter motor hole and learn to drive it without stalling

I lasted a whole day on a burnt starter motor on my 2.8 which was removed and an ice cream carton cut up to cover the hole with bolts on it.

Drove 8 hours offroad in tamborine tracks (light to medium) no serious hardcore shiat... but....

my mates 80 series shit its gearbox and i towed it home all the way from tamborine (near ormeau) to paradise point (gold coast) without stalling ..

takes practice

the new starter was ready to be picked up a few days later.. but didnt stop the clutch from shittin itself a month later and the whole engine binned for a 4.2 turbo diesel and new box

yeh, so to just check, all i have to do is undo the three bolts and she will come off??

ive never had to take a starter off b4.........

yep plus a big fat wire and a little skinny wire. disconnect the battery before you start playing with it.

[mickyd555]

ok, it wont go, should i try clutch starting it first or just rip the starter off???

if i should be ripping the starter off, i can only see 3 bolts. if i undo them will it come straight off or do i need to do something else aswell??

rip the starter right off and bench test it..

if you're desperate to go wheeling.. - clutch start it and go for a quick drive with a plastic plate over the starter motor hole and learn to drive it without stalling

I lasted a whole day on a burnt starter motor on my 2.8 which was removed and an ice cream carton cut up to cover the hole with bolts on it.

Drove 8 hours offroad in tamborine tracks (light to medium) no serious hardcore shiat... but....

my mates 80 series shit its gearbox and i towed it home all the way from tamborine (near ormeau) to paradise point (gold coast) without stalling ..

takes practice

the new starter was ready to be picked up a few days later.. but didnt stop the clutch from shittin itself a month later and the whole engine binned for a 4.2 turbo diesel and new box

yeh, so to just check, all i have to do is undo the three bolts and she will come off??

ive never had to take a starter off b4.........

yep plus a big fat wire and a little skinny wire. disconnect the battery before you start playing with it.

yep, i got the wire bit. im a sparky so safety first always.......

i bench tested the bitch. it turns and throws out but only about 10mm or so. does this sound healthy???

[dumbdunce]

10mm seems a bit short. it has to throw out at least the width of the ring gear plus the clearance between the ring gear and the starter spur gear when the spur gear is retracted. a bit of vernier caliper action should get you an idea of how far it should throw out.

gregory's manual does not show how far the gear should protrude when energised.

you should be able to see into the bellhousing to see if the ring gear is damaged.

[mickyd555]

yep, no visible damage to either gear. so its definately not that........ ill try and pull the starter down and clean it out........


heres hoping

[murcod]

Clean it all up (throwout mechanism etc) and get rid of any grease and dirt. Then lubricate it all with silicon spray, or nothing at all. Grease attracts dirt and causes more problems than it's worth.

I was given that tip by a guy who rebuilt them for a living. Had to put it into practice on my Feroza starter motor two years ago and it's been running perfectly since

[mickyd555]

ok, i fixed her.............she's throwing out about 30mm now.

before i put it back in, dumdance said to clean out the bellhousing. should i just stick a hose in where the starter goes. and if i do this, should it come out the bottem or will i have to let it dry out overnight????

[DaveS3]

Is there a bung / drain hole in the bottom of the bell housing?

If so open that and clean through, that should help in getting the crap out.

You dont want to high pressure clean everything though so not too much pressure on the hose.

Dave.

[mickyd555]

cheers, im back out to the garage..............

at least im getting fit running in here every 10 mins

[dumbdunce]

ok, i fixed her.............she's throwing out about 30mm now.

before i put it back in, dumdance said to clean out the bellhousing. should i just stick a hose in where the starter goes. and if i do this, should it come out the bottem or will i have to let it dry out overnight????

30mm sounds better.

yeah just hose out the bellhousing, if it has a plug in the bottom, pull it out so the junk can drain out.

[mickyd555]

theres no bung..............

now what do i do........

[DaveS3]

theres no bung..............

now what do i do........

Hose and try to get hand or somthing (maybe rag) to try to clean.

Do the best you can, dry it out then replace the starter.

Hope / beg / pray or do whatever you do

Dave.

[RV80]

Power drill

[Doggy]

Is this just some miserable excuse to avoid coming out to ormeau tommorrow micky .....soooooffft coooooocck

[mickyd555]

Is this just some miserable excuse to avoid coming out to ormeau tommorrow micky .....soooooffft coooooocck

i wish, i got the starter back in and it didnt start. i thought i mighta drained the battery a bit while i was bench testing.........or should i say on the spare tyre testing. so i rolled her down the driveway, started it and took it for a run. it didnt start again after that, so i think i might have to look at the connection on the stater itself (which im over, so ill look at it in the morning.) it does click but no go at all this time........

thanks to everyone for there help, much appreciated

[Chucky]

You could always ditch the starter.......

In fact just ditch the whole car and buy a 80 series

Hoope you sort it all out. I am out tomorrow at ormeau myself.

[Woop]

Can you actually hear the solenoid clicking when turning the key? Could be pitted contacts in solenoid. I'm guessing that you re-connected the small wire to the lug on the solenoid itself?

Nick

[mickyd555]

Can you actually hear the solenoid clicking when turning the key? Could be pitted contacts in solenoid. I'm guessing that you re-connected the small wire to the lug on the solenoid itself?

Nick

yeh dude, its all conected right. something clicks but im not sure what.......im just about to go have another look at it now, just thought id pop on here and see if anyone had any more ideas for me...........

[mickyd555]

ok, its alive...............

but its making a real bad noise. i pulled half a tree out from under it thinking that that was rattling on the exhaust.......nothing

it sounds like exhaust cause its audible all the way along the exhaust side of the car. but im just checking all fluids b4 i go out today

thanks again everyone

[mickyd555]

ok, it died again...............

same problem again, click, click......nothing. damn thing, ill have to try and get it out again and see. someone suggested brushes, so ill have to look at that. i got out of the electric moter industry cause i hate this shit........

[Daisy]

ok, it died again...............

same problem again, click, click......nothing. damn thing, ill have to try and get it out again and see. someone suggested brushes, so ill have to look at that. i got out of the electric moter industry cause i hate this shit........

td42 starters arnt expensive to have an auto lekky check it out...

my starter for the 2.8 (rd28t) in the GQ was 300 to fully rebuild after shittin the spring load clutch inside it..

td42s are different if i remember.. and would be cheaper.

TOM