SUSPENSION PROBS

Post by **4x4xmore** » Mon Jun 27, 2005 6:47 pm

Suspension problems:

i suspect my feroza may be lifted in the rear but not the front. When i wound the front up i broke the idler arm. i replaced it with a s/h one but it broke aswell, so i wound it back down. IWOULD APPRECIATE IF SOME ONE WHO HAS DONE THIS MOD THEMSELVES COULD POST ME A REPLY

Post by **Dangerous Dave** » Mon Jun 27, 2005 9:11 pm

Make sure that you have the front wheels off of the ground before you start winding the front torsion bars up. Otherwise your forcing the weight of the entire front end on the one poor bolt. I'm speaking from experience. Toyota bundeera head bolts make a good replacment! Nice and strong!

Good Luck.

Post by **4x4xmore** » Mon Jun 27, 2005 10:07 pm

it winds up fine as the torsion bars and shocks look like the have been replaced within the last two years, not real sure though i have only had the 4wd for 6 months.

the real problem is on road there is no prob but as soon as there is some articulation it broke and then the next one did the same. there have been a few posts on this forum that suggests there is no problems when the torsion bars are wound up. just trying to work out if its common for this to happen or if i just got a s/h one that was already buggered before i have another crack at winding it up

Post by **Croz** » Tue Jun 28, 2005 7:35 am

What do you mean it "broke"... did it snap in half or did the rotating joint become unserviceable?

Post by **icebreaker** » Tue Jun 28, 2005 8:10 am

your not winding it up to far are you???

there should be about 10mm from the back of the bolt to the floor of the truck.

From memory..
how much through do you have hanging out of each end when you wind it up???

Post by **4x4xmore** » Tue Jun 28, 2005 10:44 am

the rotating joint became unservicable

Post by **4x4xmore** » Tue Jun 28, 2005 10:55 am

not sure how much of the bolt was left out but only wound it up to it was 10mm lower than the rear

Website · Post by **murcod** » Tue Jun 28, 2005 6:58 pm

How much lift are you trying to get?

Check out the gap between your bump stops and the suspension. I found the ride was crap if it was wound up too far (was running out of downwards wheel travel over large bumps.)

I've never heard of anyone breaking steering components from winding the front up- and that includes people who have shaved the bumpstops to increase travel even further. (Hmmmm, maybe you should check someone hasn't removed the bumpstops?!)

Post by **Dangerous Dave** » Tue Jun 28, 2005 8:15 pm

I have my bump stops removed and I've had no such problems!

Post by **4x4xmore** » Tue Jun 28, 2005 8:18 pm

murcod wrote:How much lift are you trying to get?

Check out the gap between your bump stops and the suspension. I found the ride was crap if it was wound up too far (was running out of downwards wheel travel over large bumps.)

I've never heard of anyone breaking steering components from winding the front up- and that includes people who have shaved the bumpstops to increase travel even further. (Hmmmm, maybe you should check someone hasn't removed the bumpstops?!)

what should be the minimum gap between the bump stops and suspension i really want to go as high as posible in the front without runing into to many problems,

Post by **4x4xmore** » Tue Jun 28, 2005 8:21 pm

Dangerous Dave wrote:I have my bump stops removed and I've had no such problems!

so youve wound up the torsion bars and removed the bumpstops, how much 4wd have you done with this setup so far

Post by **Dangerous Dave** » Tue Jun 28, 2005 8:24 pm

A lot. See picture in the " How to Fly" thread. Thats me. I do stuff like that almost every sunday and I haven't had any problems yet. Fingers crossed.

Post by **4x4xmore** » Tue Jun 28, 2005 8:33 pm

Dangerous Dave wrote:A lot. See picture in the " How to Fly" thread. Thats me. I do stuff like that almost every sunday and I haven't had any problems yet. Fingers crossed.

if that doesnt test out your suspension i dont know what will. looks tough in mid flight

did you do your susp mods yourself

Post by **rOd** » Wed Jun 29, 2005 12:12 am

Dangerous Dave wrote:I do stuff like that almost every sunday and I haven't had any problems yet. Fingers crossed.

Funny you should say that Dave.

Have you forgotten this?

Post by **SimplyPV** » Wed Jun 29, 2005 5:39 am

heheh.. and that was from gettin out of the driveway wasnt it?

Post by **Dangerous Dave** » Wed Jun 29, 2005 7:58 am

I did actually forget about that! However I'd classify that as Drivetrain, not suspension!

Post by **Dangerous Dave** » Wed Jun 29, 2005 7:58 am

ferozaman wrote:
Dangerous Dave wrote:A lot. See picture in the " How to Fly" thread. Thats me. I do stuff like that almost every sunday and I haven't had any problems yet. Fingers crossed.
if that doesnt test out your suspension i dont know what will. looks tough in mid flight

did you do your susp mods yourself

Yeah I did the mods myself so if you need anything just drop me a line.

Post by **4x4xmore** » Tue Jul 05, 2005 11:02 pm

Dangerous Dave wrote:
ferozaman wrote:
Dangerous Dave wrote:A lot. See picture in the " How to Fly" thread. Thats me. I do stuff like that almost every sunday and I haven't had any problems yet. Fingers crossed.
if that doesnt test out your suspension i dont know what will. looks tough in mid flight

did you do your susp mods yourself
Yeah I did the mods myself so if you need anything just drop me a line.

wound the torsions bar up a few days ago and took it for a run seems to be ok

will keep my eye on it for a few weeks and see how it goes. do you dangerous dave have extended rear shackles

Post by **HeathGQ** » Wed Jul 06, 2005 1:38 pm

extended shackles are not roadworthy in QLD.

Post by **bad_religion_au** » Wed Jul 06, 2005 2:00 pm

i don't think extended shackles are roadworthy anywhere

Website · Post by **murcod** » Wed Jul 06, 2005 6:31 pm

bad_religion_au wrote:i don't think extended shackles are roadworthy anywhere

Correct from the info I've read.

Post by **bad_religion_au** » Thu Jul 07, 2005 1:44 pm

murcod wrote:
bad_religion_au wrote:i don't think extended shackles are roadworthy anywhere
Correct from the info I've read.

but it doesn't stop everyone

Website · Post by **murcod** » Thu Jul 07, 2005 6:15 pm

bad_religion_au wrote:
murcod wrote:
bad_religion_au wrote:i don't think extended shackles are roadworthy anywhere
Correct from the info I've read.
but it doesn't stop everyone

That's why yearly roadworthy inspections should happen. Fine, if people want to use that sort of stuff exclusively offroad, but when you're playing with other people's lives on road..... Dave had them on his Feroza and IIRC they started to let go or bent?

Post by **bad_religion_au** » Thu Jul 07, 2005 8:31 pm

murcod wrote:
bad_religion_au wrote:
murcod wrote:
bad_religion_au wrote:i don't think extended shackles are roadworthy anywhere
Correct from the info I've read.
but it doesn't stop everyone
That's why yearly roadworthy inspections should happen. Fine, if people want to use that sort of stuff exclusively offroad, but when you're playing with other people's lives on road..... Dave had them on his Feroza and IIRC they started to let go or bent?

he might still have them...

if you make them strong enough there shouldn't be a problem, i mean stock shackles on some rigs are silly thin. if you address the castor problem in the front, there isn't much risk, i wonder how many people die every year due to extended shackles vs how many people die due to poor driver skill.... now which should we be addressing?

Website · Post by **murcod** » Thu Jul 07, 2005 8:51 pm

Now think about a badly skilled driver with a modified 4WD !!!

Post by **Dangerous Dave** » Fri Jul 08, 2005 7:27 am

I have super omega dodgy extended rear shackles... However they are twice as thick as the standard ones. I just need to weld braces in the centre of them and it will all be good. If they bend then I just make more!

Post by **4x4xmore** » Fri Jul 08, 2005 10:49 pm

Dangerous Dave wrote:I have super omega dodgy extended rear shackles... However they are twice as thick as the standard ones. I just need to weld braces in the centre of them and it will all be good. If they bend then I just make more!

with extended shackles could you wind the torsion bars up enough to level it out

Post by **Dangerous Dave** » Sat Jul 09, 2005 10:48 am

Yeah no worries at all. Mine was level when I first set it all up. I have to check it again as the rear springs are worn in now. I'm a bit on the lazy side!

Post by **4x4xmore** » Mon Jul 25, 2005 10:11 pm

ferozaman wrote:
Dangerous Dave wrote:
ferozaman wrote:
Dangerous Dave wrote:A lot. See picture in the " How to Fly" thread. Thats me. I do stuff like that almost every sunday and I haven't had any problems yet. Fingers crossed.
if that doesnt test out your suspension i dont know what will. looks tough in mid flight

did you do your susp mods yourself
Yeah I did the mods myself so if you need anything just drop me a line.
wound the torsions bar up a few days ago and took it for a run seems to be ok will keep my eye on it for a few weeks and see how it goes. do you dangerous dave have extended rear shackles

dangerous dave, i have been watching the idler arm now for a few weeks and guess what. The f****r has broken again, are you aware if this is a common prob

Post by **Dangerous Dave** » Tue Jul 26, 2005 7:51 am

I'd say something may be wrong with your suspension set up. I'd get it checked out by a suspension specialist. I only say this because mine have been wound up for ages and I haven't had this problem. I have no idea what it could be, sorry.

Good Luck

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