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MQ Diff swap

Tech Talk for Suzuki owners.

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Post by ljxtreem »

CHOPZUKI wrote:
CHOPZUKI wrote:so mq booster/master cylinder will bolt straight to a widetrack zook firewall?
no one answered this? gwagensteve? wats the go? i here they're huge and wont fit.
Mine bolted strait in, I got it from pick a part strait from the car, May have Been an MK? not shure
BUT there may be variants in design, mine looks like a GQ one but I have seen some that look more Old school.

Yes they are big, and im not shure what you wold have to move to make them fit, mine went into a largly modified engine bay, still the holes lined up though. Ill try to find a pic for u. :cool:

Yes big , but work grouse :D


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Post by CHOPZUKI »

yeh i got gqs under mine and needa bigger master/booster.
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Post by ljxtreem »

I cant find a pic, Ill try and take one for u tomorrow :cool:

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Post by CHOPZUKI »

cool thanks

is gwagen steves a widetrack? he running one?
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Post by ljxtreem »

Steve and I built my car together
He has a G wagon :D , and a couple of projects on the go.
He built Gregs 660cc cap zook too.

Knows his shit :cool:

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Post by Gwagensteve »

Mock, If I recall correctly, Critta had a vitara booster in it when it was originally built. I have no idea if the vitara booster is the same pattern as a sierra booster or not, but if I was a betting man, I would bet that the MQ booster is a straight swap for a VITARA booster not a sierra booster.

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Post by redzook »

Gwagensteve wrote:Mock, If I recall correctly, Critta had a vitara booster in it when it was originally built. I have no idea if the vitara booster is the same pattern as a sierra booster or not, but if I was a betting man, I would bet that the MQ booster is a straight swap for a VITARA booster not a sierra booster.

Steve.
ive been tryin to say that for a while

mq will not bolt in to sierra i have both in the shed side by side and they are different

it wouldnt be hard to get it to fit but its not just a bolt in job
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Post by ljxtreem »

My Ooops :roll: :roll:

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Post by Remydog05 »

Dug this old one up!

I was at a wreakers on the weekend and notice a MQ sitting there and thought mmmmmm better have a look???

Questions are!

The front diff looks very different to anything Ive seen, is it salisbury?

What drive shafts? All the MQ with adaptors gear?

What steering box has been used, sierra/jimny/vit/60?

Did they run Sierra springs? and Or RUF?

Did the extra weight of the diffs Kill bushes all the time?

So the MQ booster bolts to a Vitara Not a Sierra?

The Front sprin spacing is the same as a WT sierra.

Any buildup threads?

The photos no longer work.

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Post by lay80n »

Remydog05 wrote:Dug this old one up!

I was at a wreakers on the weekend and notice a MQ sitting there and thought mmmmmm better have a look???

Questions are!

The front diff looks very different to anything Ive seen, is it salisbury?

What drive shafts? All the MQ with adaptors gear?

What steering box has been used, sierra/jimny/vit/60?

Did they run Sierra springs? and Or RUF?

Did the extra weight of the diffs Kill bushes all the time?

So the MQ booster bolts to a Vitara Not a Sierra?

The Front sprin spacing is the same as a WT sierra.

Any buildup threads?

The photos no longer work.

Thanks!

Yeah the front on an MQ is a sailsbury style housing.
Im not sure on the rest at the moment. I looked at this a while back when i could get a set of MQ's for free, but i cant remember the full details. Try Gwagonsteve or SierraJim for some more detail :D

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Post by Gwagensteve »

The front diff looks very different to anything Ive seen, is it salisbury?
No, "Sailsbury" is the generic name for UK made Dana 60 sized axle assemblies used in some Ford Transit vans, Sherpa vans, I think small bedfords, and land rovers.

It's a C200 series diff from memory. It's the same diff used in the rear of Navaras and actually the rear of G60 patrols. I think the deepest common gearing is 4.6:1

What drive shafts? All the MQ with adaptors gear?
Custom. The MQ diff flange is much larger than sierra.
What steering box has been used, sierra/jimny/vit/60?
The cars I've had experience with were vitara boxed. Not ideal as they don't quite get full lock. The pitman arm kinda runs the wrong way to use a 60 series box. It's been done, but unless the axle is a long way forward, the steering box needs to be pretty close to the engine mount/shock mounts. LHD IFS hilux would be "dream" sierra box.


Did they run Sierra springs? and Or RUF?
I don't recall sierrajim's setup, but Mock's was MK patrol front all round.

Did the extra weight of the diffs Kill bushes all the time?
Yes, but that's not the weight of the diffs really, it's the leverage of the track width and rubber bushes. Rubber bushes never last long.
So the MQ booster bolts to a Vitara Not a Sierra?
Correct.
The Front spring spacing is the same as a WT sierra.
It's so close it doesn't matter.
Any buildup threads?
Not AFAIK

Bear in mind, you'll need a custom drag link that requires X-ray etc to be legal and many engineers won't want to touch.

MQ's are a terrible idea if you want SPOA or coils. (front really) The DS spring pad is cast into the diff (like a Dana diff) so that's a big PITA to work around.

MQ's are a cool, strong, very cheap option if you are happy with SPUA though.

HOWEVER - here's the catch. If you're not planning very, very large tyres, the weight and size of these diffs is a bit self defeating. We shaved the rear of Mock's diff, and he ran 36's. I drove it once on 39" michelins, but the front stub axles we're up to them)

We have had, and continue to have, good results with 34"+ tyres on sierra diffs suitably built, and I'd rather drive a 34" tyre and a sierra diff (with a 5.12 ratio) than an MQ diff with a 37" tyre and a 4.6 diff gear to get the same clearance.

The unsprung weight of the nissan diffs is cool for crawling, but less cool once you are on a slippery hill and need to push that weight up the hill.

I'm not knocking MQ's per say, I think they are a better option than hilux, but might not be better than sierra diffs with double tough axles unless you are a really abusive driver and play on rock a lot, where diff clearance is less of an issue but weight and added strength is an advantage.

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Post by Donald2 »

Samurai with Nissan Patrol axles

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The axles are C200



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Post by Jock »

E20 and E22 urvan have the same rear centre and a centred pumpkin. BUt will give you a road friendly centre. 3.5 or similar.

The advantage of a centred rear is you only need one spare axle, but htose axles are huge and really really take a pounding
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