Series 3 Short wheel base

[carts]

Did the series 3 short wheel bases ever come out with auto locking front hubs?

Or were they full time 4wd?

What gear box/front diff combinations did they come out with?

Thanks for your help.

[F'n_Rover]

no to auto locking hubs - factory drive member or aftermarket fwh
still part time 4x4

front diff p.o.s rover 4.7:1 not sure if there were any other factory ratios

gearbox - weak p.o.s 4 speed but the transfer case is very strong.

rear diffs were the same as the front. (rover)
the long wheel base 109" had sals rear diff (similar to d60) bulletproof

[F'n_Rover]

oh yeah - why do you want to know?
strange for a toyota bloke to be asking about land rover axles and gearboxes.

[Slunnie]

Carts has had Landys in the past.

Some do have free wheeling hubs, like my IIa.

["CANADA"]

Carts has had Landys in the past.

Some do have free wheeling hubs, like my IIa.

toyota FWH's tho


my 11A has warn locking hubs on it...i thought the 111's had full time 4wd?

[F'n_Rover]

only the s111 stage ones had full time 4x4, but i dont think they made a swb stage 1 ?

[ISUZUROVER]

i thought the 111's had full time 4wd?

NO, all the SIII swb's were basically the same mechanically as the IIA. The LWB's were about the same, (except for the sals rear diff), except for the LWB Stage 1 V8/3.9 diesel, which had:

3.5L V8 or 3.9L Isuzu diesel
LT95 box/T-case (very strong, constant 4x4).
Rover front and salisbury rear, 3.54:1 ratio.

[Slunnie]

rear diffs were the same as the front. (rover)
the long wheel base 109" had sals rear diff (similar to d60) bulletproof

If the IIa and III shortys are mechanically the same? My IIa came with the Salisbury in it which I would assume was factory fitted.

["CANADA"]

i was under the impression all shorties had rover diffs? the sals were only in the military and LWB's

[ISUZUROVER]

rear diffs were the same as the front. (rover)
the long wheel base 109" had sals rear diff (similar to d60) bulletproof

If the IIa and III shortys are mechanically the same? My IIa came with the Salisbury in it which I would assume was factory fitted.

The Salisbury was never factory fitted to a IIA and never fitted by the factory to a SWB. If you look at your sals you should be able to see a 2nd set of spring pads or marks where they were removed.

[Slunnie]

Ah. Oh well, there you go. Here is the diff, no second mounts. I assume then that it was converted.

[carts]

I used to have a s3 lwb 109. It had the fwh. My brother is looking at buying a s3 shorty and the guy selling it said it had auto locking hubs.

I thought this sounded rather strange because i didnt think the s3 had this technology available to it.

From the picture i saw, there were no hubs at all. Just looked like a stub coming out from the centre of where a fwh would be. Does this make sense?

Does this mean that the s3 shorty's front diff is spinning all the time when driving, and 4wd is only engaged when you select 4wd with the transfer lever?

Its a 1977 model apparently.

And Toyota people can have an appreciation for the more simple things in life

[F'n_Rover]

sounds like standard hubs - technicaly speaking they are auto locking, they just never unlock

[ISUZUROVER]

Does this mean that the s3 shorty's front diff is spinning all the time when driving, and 4wd is only engaged when you select 4wd with the transfer lever?

If they are standard drive flanges then yes, the front end is spinning all the time, but this is best for lubrication of the top swivel pin anyway, and it won't wear anything out or cause you to use more fuel.

[ISUZUROVER]

Ah. Oh well, there you go. Here is the diff, no second mounts. I assume then that it was converted.

Are there marks on the underneath of the axle tube outboard of the current mounts - where the old ones were cut/ground off.

[Slunnie]

The axle has gone under a fire engine in QLD now, but no, there was nothing like that at all.

[F'n_Rover]

how much narower were the shorty chassis rails compared to the lwb ?
why would they bother with two different widths? seems like a lot of extra engineering for what reason?

["CANADA"]

how much narower were the shorty chassis rails compared to the lwb ?
why would they bother with two different widths? seems like a lot of extra engineering for what reason?

spread the load farther on the axle...

[Slunnie]

I'm not sure here, but I thought the LWB springs were outboarded to give the wider perches. The chassis seems to be the same width as the shortys.

[ISUZUROVER]

how much narower were the shorty chassis rails compared to the lwb ?
why would they bother with two different widths? seems like a lot of extra engineering for what reason?

As slunnie said, the LWB and SWB had the chassis rails in the same position. It is just that they discovered when they built the first SI 109 station wagon prototype that it was unstable using the SWB rear spring position so they moved the rear springs about 3-4" further out each side by adding small outriggers.

The 107" S1 LWB (ute body only) has the springs in the same place as a SWB.

[inken_dave]

To Carts!
Just to let you know, AMV free wheeling hubs, distrubuted by ARB, supply hubs for all but series I. I have a pair and they are great. The only thing is that it later becomes necessary to convert the oil bath swivel hubs to grease.

To add contension, I looked at a series three short wheel base before I bought my 1978 109 six (in picture), and it was fitted with rover free wheeling hubs!. I don't know if they came together, or were an option!

David

[ISUZUROVER]

To add contension, I looked at a series three short wheel base before I bought my 1978 109 six (in picture), and it was fitted with rover free wheeling hubs!. I don't know if they came together, or were an option!

Land Rover introduced a factory option of free wheeling hubs on the SIII. Pretty sure they weren't made by Land Rover though.