XRCC Rules for 2003

[XTREME MMM]

Hi all, As you are aware I run the Xtreme Winch Challenge Series. I was asked to run a new Rock Crawling event & after hours & hours of talk the XRCC was formed. I have only just returned from the RFC in Malaysia & Pete said that you guys were running hot so a early comp has been put on. Pete will be running the first one at LMP in the next couple of weeks. While this is being run I will be away doing the final survey for the Kidney 4WD Adventure & having meetings with NSW organisers of other Rock Crawling events.
So at the moment do not worry about the rules for 2003, they will be done and released before the New Year. If anyone has any comments on rules & regs please let me know so I can take them on board and come up with a set that works & is fair to all. So don`t go overboard with all the vehicle mods, you could find that they comply already. The main thing is that the vehicle will have to be legaly registered in your home state to enter. I am also going to have an "OUTLAW" Class, Rules are any mods allowed & can be unregistered, NO RESTRICTIONS.

Thats all for now
MMM

[Cheezy4x4]

Hi David, I would like to know what specs my vehicle has to be for the open class, eg: roll cage ect as I intend to compete in all the XRCC events in 2003 0n, and will be building my rig to the XRCC specs over Xmas starting the day after the first event being the second of December.

[XTREME MMM]

Hi Cheezy, Talk about putting a cat with a flock of brids. I take it your vehicle is going to be registered in your state, knowing what the Qld. Transport want in regards to roll bars this is a very tough but easy answer.
If we want this sport to grow and make it within reach of all the keen 4WDers we must make it as safe & cost effective as possible.Bearing in mind that this is a slow speed sport where driver skill is more important than speed. If you have a soft top or open vehicle a roll bar (Your State Transport Requirments & approved) minium 4 point (XRCC Rules) will be required, if in the "Outlaw" class a full cage will be required. It will be recommened that a cargo barrier be fitted to all other vehicles. The same will be with the seats in the open class, OME seats & mountings will be allowed if the seats have been changed & your State Transport require them to be approved then they must be.
Hope this has answered your question. You will have to check on the other comps to see what they require, I am only speaking for the XRCC Events.
Regards MMM

[tjpete]

I hope folks read David's comments above, because they clarify the concerns some of us have had regarding vehicle preparation.

The strategic focus of the XRCC is to provide events that cater to the tremendous local interest in rock crawling with an emphasis on safety and driver skill while providing access to as many folks as possible without the need for a big budget.

Fortunately for all of us, Dave Metcalfe, who created the XWCS (Extreme Winch Challenge Series) took it upon himself to formalise competitive rock crawling in Australia. His XRCC will be a success as many already know what an amazing job he has done with the winch challenge concept having started from nothing, garnered tremendous national sponsorship and support from the local 4x4 aftermarket, not to mention the unbelievable spectator following this sport has achieved.

Thanks Dave for taking the time out this evening to clarify the rules issue in relation to roll cages and cargo barriers. I have ammended this section on the XRCC web and I am certain David will rationalise these further once he has time next month.

Thanks again Dave. And to think we all call you MMM, which stands for Mean Mr Metcalfe. (-;o)

[OVERKILL ENG]

Does that mean the first event will or won't have an outlaw class.
If so do the trucks still have to be engineered or just inspected by the roganisers.
SAm

[tjpete]

The first round, November 29th, has an Outlaw Class. This class does not require an engineer's certificate but DOES REQUIRE the vehicle to be registered and a 3rd Party extension.

In 2003, Outlaw Class vehicles do not have to be registered.

[Cheezy4x4]

The Mav has a third party insurance with the rego through Vic roads, it also has full comp insurance through a insurance broker.
Will the Vic roads third party be ok for the event as the broker will not cover me in an event and I dont think any broker will, I have rung 10 brokers and they all said the same thing and most said they wouldnt even look at the Mav after telling them about the mods.

[v8grunt]

DOES LANDCRUISER MTN PARK APPROVE FOR UNREG VEHICLE IN 2003 OR CAN WE ASSUME THE SERIES TO RUN AT A DIFFERENT VENUE. AS FAR AS I KNOW THERE IS INSURANCE CONSIDERATIONS HERE AND LAST TIME I SPOKE TO ALBEN HE WAS AGAINST UNREG VEHICLES IN HIS PARK.

SORRY GUYS THE QUESTION HAS TO BE ASKED WHEN WE PLAN TO BUILD AN OUTLAW VEHICLE, SPEND HEEPS OF CASH ON SOMETHING WE CAN'T USE IN COMPS.

[XTREME MMM]

After spending over 30 minutes typing & sending off an answer, guess what it did not happen.

Very quickly 2 points:- #1- Had meeting with Mountain Park today and due to the fact that XRCC is a very skilled event & not a speed event, I will be able to run the OUTLAW Class there. Great news!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Also heard that TTC could be having unreg. vehicle next year, could be BS but lets wait & see. I would like to see some of the top rock crawlers get through Transport in QLD, "not likely Jane".

Brings me to point #2- I see the OUTLAW Class being a Class that all your wildest dreams can come together in a "Super Truck". To me it is a special made up vehicle not one that is full of rust & everything ready to fall off. So if you are thinking of putting on a big set of tyres and welding up the diffs & entering your old Toyota / Nissan or what ever you may have FORGET IT !!!!!!!!!!!!! All OUTLAW Class vehicles will have to be built to a very high standard to be able to enter a XRCC Event. This class will be checked by yours truely MMM before entry will be accepted. One thing that you will require is a full cage (6 Point ) built to Transport / Enginering Standards. Hope this answers a few more questions.

I will be away until the 8th.Dec. but will be in phone range most of the time.

I would like to thank Pete K for all the work he has put in to running the first XRCC Event at Mountain Park in 2 weeks time. All have fun will talk soon.

Regards MMM 8)

[v8grunt]

THANKS FOR THE ANSWER DAVE.

I'LL NOW START SPENDING THE COMPANY MONEY. GOT TO SEE THE MINISTER FOR WAR AND FINANCE (THE WIFE) FIRST.

[POS]

Holy Shait can you imagine the weapons people are going to come up with.

Awesome work Dave!!!!

[Strange Rover]

Great stuff fellas. Thats what we want to here.

Sam

[OVERKILL ENG]

Awsum Dave I think that is the news every hardcore rockcrawler in Australia has been waiting for.
Time to go crazy with new truck no holding back now.
How many of you are going to build a truck for the outlaw class.
Surely you guys wouldn't want a Zook to be the first winner of the outlaw class.

[JK]

Awsum Dave I think that is the news every hardcore rockcrawler in Australia has been waiting for.
Time to go crazy with new truck no holding back now.
How many of you are going to build a truck for the outlaw class.
Surely you guys wouldn't want a Zook to be the first winner of the outlaw class.

go for it Sam...

This sounds awesome... a great time to be moving back to Oz

[tjpete]

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De, deee, da dah, da do, de, dee .... I 'm busy and I'm layin' off the tropical fruit secretions too!

Yellow Pete's busy,
Rhino's busy,
Mark's busy,
Ian's busy,
Bret's busy,
Stark's busy,
Sam's busy,
Ruff's busy,
Brent's busy too.

Get busy blokes!

Low Carbon or Chromium - XRCC Outlaws - Let's Rock!

[JK]

And that tap tap tap is Rob busy on the keyboard... heh heh

I can't wait to see what comes out of this...

[tjpete]

And that tap tap tap is Rob busy on the keyboard... heh heh

I can't wait to see what comes out of this... :twisted:

Hey DirtPig,

Does this mean we are about to see some composite technology on the MCM by February bloke?

[JK]

I'll just say that there are happenings in the JK toyroom... 8)

portal-style hybrid axles, cantilever suspension, 100:1 crawl ratio (MudCow presently 50:1), 7" tyres, the axles will be at 90+deg to each other at full articulation...

[drunkenperformance]

Another stupid question, how many rounds are going to be run in the outlaw class and is there any plans to make it a long term event.

Im not trying to say its going to be a fizzer, but i have heard this from many people who have had a lot of experiance in the 4wd industry / competition. I think its great to have a class like this dont get me wrong and please take this as constructive, but who is going to sponcer the events, how many people are expected to attend, what are the prizes going to be ..again please dont take this the wrong way but i must ask!

[tjpete]

I'll just say that there are happenings in the JK toyroom... 8)

portal-style hybrid axles, cantilever suspension, 100:1 crawl ratio (MudCow presently 50:1), 7" tyres, the axles will be at 90+deg to each other at full articulation...

Hey JK,

Do you tinker in front of the telly with the MCM?
Does your lady look in the living room and exclaim ... "He's at it again?"
Do you run CADKey or SolidWorx or plain old AutoCad?
Or do you model with ice-cream sticks and drawing pins and drive the missus mad?

I was wondering bloke, do you model the MCM first on the PC or do you just have all the components on a table and visualise what you want her to do next?

We have got to get the MCM out here bloke!

[JK]

I'll just say that there are happenings in the JK toyroom... 8)

portal-style hybrid axles, cantilever suspension, 100:1 crawl ratio (MudCow presently 50:1), 7" tyres, the axles will be at 90+deg to each other at full articulation...

Hey JK,

Do you tinker in front of the telly with the MCM?
Does your lady look in the living room and exclaim ... "He's at it again?"
Do you run CADKey or SolidWorx or plain old AutoCad?
Or do you model with ice-cream sticks and drawing pins and drive the missus mad?

I was wondering bloke, do you model the MCM first on the PC or do you just have all the components on a table and visualise what you want her to do next?

We have got to get the MCM out here bloke!

Nah, I usually stick a CD on and that way I can concentrate on the job at hand... No tele in my toyroom. Come to think of it, I might post a few pics of the toyroom in the workshop thread...

I think that my long suffering wife has come to accept my eccentricities... especially since we bought her a pottery wheel and a kiln. She now has almost as many toys as I do.

If I want to sketch something up us use Autosketch. Easy to use and home PC friendly, but to be honest, I don't normally draw things up that often, only when I want to exlain to someone how to make something. I normally visualise what I want, measure it up and go for it... When I was working out the suspension geometry for the MudCow I drew it up as the interaction of the links, suspension, canitlevers, caster, chassis etc needed a more refined analysis so that nothing fouled at full flex / steering lock etc.

Check out the latest updates on my website to see the development of the MudCow... it is the 8th in a line of prototypes that I have made.

I'll be back in Oz on the 22 Dec... just over 4 weeks away

Here is a photo of the concept for the Son of MudCow... "The Rokroach" It is an idea that a guy was fooling around with, but I have a lot of ideas to improve the concept and make it work as an awesome crawler...

The pic with the two trucks show the Rokroach sized truck next to a MudCow sized truck... The Rokroach will be the most advanced RC rock crawler ever developed....

[POS]

Dirt Pig the ideas for your buggys, do you reckon they can be used on a full size.

Is that the plan (scale models) of just a good fun, hobbie

[JK]

Dirt Pig the ideas for your buggys, do you reckon they can be used on a full size.

Is that the plan (scale models) of just a good fun, hobbie

Some of the ideas will be transferable to a 1:1 scale truck, but some just aren't practical.

It is a great hobby, but I got into it because I couldn't go full-scale here in HK... When I return to Oz, the RC hobby will probably take a back seat to my full-scale rig, but I will always keep playing with my toys...

[CJer]

Nice work JK

[JK]

Thanks cobber. 8)

[v8grunt]

2003 Time to go tubular and i don't care about prizes like many other 4wdivers, just the sport.

glen

[bj on roids]

2003 Time to go tubular and i don't care about prizes like many other 4wdivers, just the sport.

glen

2000, year of the rat
2001, year of old people
2002, year of the Outback
2003, official year of the tube

[Ferwoaza]

Coupla comments/questions....

Regarding Production class...are many people going to enter in this? I mean, it's going to be a rock crawling event, which is awesome, but unlocked, no lower range...means more rock thrashing than crawling...I could see more breakage in this class than the others

With the limit on 50mm suspension lift, does this include body lift? Could you do a 50mm suspension lift and then a 50mm body lift to fit 33s?

What about IFS vehicles? If they do an SAS I'm guessing they are put into the Modified class, but that states that suspension must be same as OE (ie no coilovers) and so the suspension at the front at least will be different...will this qualify?

I wouldn't mind trying to prep my vehicle for this event down the track, but at max I'd be running 33s, would be happy to keep it unlocked but would prefer lower low range so I can "crawl" in the style of the event. Would also mean that I'd be doing an SAS on the front to put a toyota axle in there at least...although...IFS could be interesting hehe.

Are any of the entrants in the 1st event going to be in production class?

My thinking is a few "relaxations" of the rules for production class would allow for low budget but pretty capable vehicles that would give a good show, to be built. I think a few people would walk away thinking, hey..if they can do that with only that, I should give it a go too...I know my girlfriend had this exact thought after seeing Kermit in action.

I dunno..I just think the gap between production and modified is pretty big, you could be just past production specs (have lower gears and/or lockers) and not have much chance to compete against the higher end of modified with engine swaps, larger wheels...taking it past what I would call "affordable" for a few people....I could be wrong tho

[XTREME MMM]

Hi all, Just got back & turned on computer. I have been told the event at Mountain Park was very testing, thanks go out to PK & crew for all there hard work. While I was away I carried out the first checks on 2 new "Outlaw" Class vehicles , Sams at Overkill & Pats from Australian 4WD Monthly, veryyyyyy impressive.
The OUTLAW Class will be run at all XRCC Events & the modified class will have more to work with. I feel that tyre size in this class is more important then anything else max 36.5 x 13.5???????????, what are you feelings on this.
It is good to see that people are looking at the Event for the event & not the prizes. I have travelled to Malaysia $10000 plus to enter & get there, 1st. Prize is a couple of trophies ( 200 - 300 dollars worth) but you are one of only a few to have won such a world class event.
So lets wait a little while & I think you will like the rules that will be used for the XRCC events.

Talk soon MMM :evil:

[OVERKILL ENG]

Sounds fair
Do you have dates locations and entry forms for the next rounds.
Also After witnessing the Cristie brothers roll up close(i was navigating for the patrol going through at the same time) are roll cages going to be compulsory in all classes. If the next rounds are going to be as hard as the first it maybe worth thinking about it.We don't want people getting hurt. The Cristies had a half cage and it was squashed down on top of the seat backs and actually broke the seats.
SAM