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Podge wrote:all 1ltr cases have the same gearing, late cases 83 onwards i think had the switch light, and WT and NT flanges slip right on.
NT and WT 1.3 cases have the same gearing, not as low as the 1ltr, but the NT 3.9 has lower diff gearing than a WT 3.7.
Podge, your specs may be wrong if your getting your info from a U.S website as the U.S never got the lower geared 1ltr case.
Mock
Pretty much the info that you have mentioned I have put forward earlier.
As mentioned theory and practice seem to be different things when it comes to fitting 1.3 flanges to the 2nd series on 1.0l transfer case.
Which specs are you referring to that might be from a US website. The US didn't get the 1.0l Sierra, so specs are going to be pretty hard to come by. Any info I quote are Australian specs and if it relates to genuine parts my info refers to the market that Suzuki codes as E24 ie. Australia
Yes you did, whatever.
If 1.3 flanges dont fit, its the earlyer case, if they do its the later case, its as simple as that, you cant just pull out a model number/part number for a wrecker and expect to get the right case, generaly if it has a switch light and its from a 1ltr then its the right one.
Iv had 3 1ltr switch light cases they all fited 1.3 flanges, iv also had a earlyer 1ltr case, verry different, that case is now in christover's zook.
Mock
..............you've lost me, you're on a different wave length with what I've said. I didn't mention anything about fitting flanges to the first series 1.0l, SJ410-1 (81-8/83), from either a 1.3l or 1.0l (9/83+). It is a different case. I agree that flanges off a 1.3 N/T and W/T should in theory fit a second series on 1.0l T/F case (w/4WD light) but what you're not getting here is that several people have said that they have tried to do this without success. I assure you that I have had enough experience in Suzuki 4WD's to know that a good clean 1.3 N/T or W/T flange doesn't always fit the shafts of a 1.0l 9/83+ T/F. Theory is that the result should be either it fits or doesn't, however I have had 50/50 success with carrying out the exercise.
NUGGS wrote:I must have found the only 1L case in perth that has 4WD switch but........DOES NOT FIT 1.3 FLANGES
Looked at 3 more today.................no luck
Most from earlier models. One guy tried to tell me a 1.3 case was from 1L .......HA! can't pull the wool over my eyes, Ive been on the outer limits forum
Do the maruti cases have transfer hand brake as well??
Nuggs, the N/T Maruti's (90-92) did have a handbrake drum. The W/T Maruti's are little bit of a 1.3 W/T hybrid. It does have W/T flanges without having the handbrake drum, it works on the cable system to the rear drums like a 1.3 W/T.
christover1 wrote:I think Maruti 1.o litres have same flanges as WT zooks, but I could be wrong.
Best way to check case type is spin the input, count the out put, and work out its gearing.
If its 12% lower than yours, and flanges interchange its what ya want
You can use hybrid yokes of 1.0 ans 1.3nt as unis are same size (just different clips).
christover
Christover, the first model Maruti (90-92) was a N/T equivalent, essentially the same as the SJ410-3/4/5 (11/84-87). It had N/T track flanges, a handbrake drum, plastic dash etc. etc. The second series Maruti (92-99) was the W/T hybrid which had W/T flanges, metal W/T flares etc, etc. All Marutis had the F10A engine and I have seen 1x factory fitted 5sp G/B.
I've seen some Marutis with a G10 engine, not sure what years they are, I assume they were wt's...I just assumed they all were the same. They are much easier to fit G13's out of Sierras to, as they had a lot of mounting similarities, and the 4speed box I had from one fitted on the back of a 1.3. These may possibly use more 1.3 stuff ???
Makes you wonder if they just use whatever bits are handy )
Anyway, a bit off topic, but may all help towards the finding of good gearing.
christover (mines a lwb early 83 it had discs and a 4wd light when I got it, may be standard?)
4WD SUZUKI CLUB VICTORIA
http://www.vic.suzuki4wd.com/forum/
Podge you are a wealth, no, a fountain of knowledge...........amazing
Is it possible......................
Looked at one today, bloke reckons it was out of a 1L, looked like a 1.3, had 4WD switch, yet had 1.3 flanges, even had the fatter 1.3 shaft/yoke hanging of one of the output flanges................could it be a wt maruti case???
Christover are you able to expound on counting the output (please excuse my ignorance, I will only ask once)
Is there a web site that explains this whole reduction, 12% lower, a 182556847% hi, gearing concept??
'89' Sierra Softy, 31x10.5M/T's, 2" susp, 2" BL, shackles, extractors.
christover1 wrote:I've seen some Marutis with a G10 engine, not sure what years they are, I assume they were wt's...I just assumed they all were the same. They are much easier to fit G13's out of Sierras to, as they had a lot of mounting similarities, and the 4speed box I had from one fitted on the back of a 1.3. These may possibly use more 1.3 stuff ???
Makes you wonder if they just use whatever bits are handy )
Anyway, a bit off topic, but may all help towards the finding of good gearing.
christover (mines a lwb early 83 it had discs and a 4wd light when I got it, may be standard?)
Christover, the G10 engine came in form of either a G10A (3Cyl) in the Swift (SA310 84-88, SF310 89-94) of which there was two versions of this engine, the SF310 Swift (89-94) had hydraulic lifters and the other version was the G10B (4cyl) in the Maruti Alto. I assure you that the Maruti (Indian Sierra or Gypsy) didn't come from the factory with a G10 engine. It has only ever been manufactured with either a F10A engine or now it has a G13BB engine (Jimny). The SJ410-3/4/5 (11/84-87) and Maruti MG410 (90-99) both 1.0l, shares some common interest with the 1.3 eg. dash, wider tunnel, internals and length of the gearbox is essentially the same as 1.3 (just one less cog), just to name a few.
The Sierra did come out in a LWB when first intrduced in 9/81 but was a cab chassis only. The LWB Sierra in soft-top form was not released until 9/83 when the second series 1.0l was released. The second series 1.0l came with the different transfer case (w/4WD light) and front disc brakes.
Nuggs, why do you want this transfer case anyway. Most people would put a 1.0l T/F case into a 1.3l is for ratio reasons. It certainly helps with larger than standard tyres, has a small ratio drop in low range and is cheap option, however most people would buy a lower range gear set to do the job.
NUGGS wrote:
Christover are you able to expound on counting the output (please excuse my ignorance, I will only ask once)
If you have to turn the input shaft round 4 times to get the output to go round only once, this would be 4:1 (example figures only)
If it was 5 times to get 1 turn, then its 5:1 and therefore lower geared.
on my 1.o litre high range is 1.590:1
and Low is 2.557:1
not sure of 1.3 ratios exactly, but somebody will know.
christover
4WD SUZUKI CLUB VICTORIA
http://www.vic.suzuki4wd.com/forum/
Podge wrote:Nuggs, why do you want this transfer case anyway. Most people would put a 1.0l T/F case into a 1.3l is for ratio reasons. It certainly helps with larger than standard tyres, has a small ratio drop in low range and is cheap option, however most people would buy a lower range gear set to do the job.
Just curious??
Sorry, I thought that it was the lower ratio box Unfortunately I can't afford a brand new set of gears, which brings me to my next option................a 1L tcase.
Thanks again
'89' Sierra Softy, 31x10.5M/T's, 2" susp, 2" BL, shackles, extractors.
Podge wrote:Nuggs, why do you want this transfer case anyway. Most people would put a 1.0l T/F case into a 1.3l is for ratio reasons. It certainly helps with larger than standard tyres, has a small ratio drop in low range and is cheap option, however most people would buy a lower range gear set to do the job.
Just curious??
Sorry, I thought that it was the lower ratio box Unfortunately I can't afford a brand new set of gears, which brings me to my next option................a 1L tcase.
Thanks again
You're on the right track with ratio aspect. A 1.0l T/F is 1.580:1 in high/ 2.511:1 in low and the 1.3l is 1.409:1 in high/2.268:1 in low. So there is a difference but if you can hold out get a lower ratio gear set when you can afford it, you won't look back. I highly recommend to stay away from Rockhopper, you've just got to do a search and read into how many have broken. Haven't heard of any of the American units having any breakages.
I'd certainly have some reservations about anything coming from a burnt out vehicle. Until it is in your hands and you are able to dismantle it and inspect, you're just not going to know. If nothing else you'd have to know what the oil is like in it. Also would depend on the price.
