to supercharge or not?

[Crawford]

Hey.. now have extractors and 2" system on my 1.3L zook..
Just wondering what other options i have for any extra performance out of it..

Will a supercharger make much difference? if so what is the cost of it and will they work on a carby?

Is it better off just getting a 1.6L engine or something?

Let me know
cheers

[derelict_frog]

Notice a difference over stock?

I bought my zook with those 2 already on it, was wondering if it makes much dif?

[Krankieone]

Hey.. now have extractors and 2" system on my 1.3L zook..
Just wondering what other options i have for any extra performance out of it..

Will a supercharger make much difference? if so what is the cost of it and will they work on a carby?

Is it better off just getting a 1.6L engine or something?

Let me know
cheers

well sorted low to moderate boost 25 - 50% increase as a rule of thumb

[Crawford]

yeah the exhaust and extractors has made a big difference

[DeWsE]

dude what budget do you have?

Gears and tires and lift and lockers are cool.

[Tyson]

How much is a supercharger for a Vit? Is it the same as the Sierra ones ( talking carby's here )

I saw supercharger kit at suzisport for something like $2000, which seems kinda high as my car is only worth twice that much.

If they're really more like $1000 I would possibly consider it.

Any ideas?

[Acca Dacca]

I think the one on suzisport is a bit pricey, apparently includes an adjustable computer, still not really justifialbe in my opinion. Main thing is it has stuff with it to convert to EFI. Still pretty pricey though as it doesn't seem to include ducting or anything.

The 4AGZE supercharger is meant to be good to put on the zook. My mate said his dad got one for I think around the $500 mark. Well thats the price he was throwing around on how much I could buy it for, so around that mark proabably.

Although I might be off by a hundred or two. My memory's pretty bad.

Anyway, check out my topic on "EFI - Vitara or Swift ?". mud4b put up a pic of his supercharged donk.

Thing is EFI is alot easier to put a supercharger in, plus you'd have to do ducting or what mud4b did which, correct me if I'm wrong, looks like just flexible hose and what looks to be something like a PVC pipe. I wouldn't be suprised if is though. A mates niva (yes lets all laugh ) had exactly the same thing, but going from the airbox instead of a supercharger. Previous owner used a bit of PVC pipe to connect some flexible rubber hosing. Obvioiusly proper ducting would be superior but alot more expensive and time consuming if you do it yourself.

Which brings me to a question for mud4b if he's around. Have you got a filter before your supercharger ?

Couldn't tell from the pics and I figure its more relevant here.

Ultimately I reckon it could easily be done for $1000 or so, although it would more likely involve more work on your part. Thats why my mates dad gave up on doing it himself, alot easier just to buy a kit. Even though quite a bit more expensive.

[DeWsE]

Hey guys I don’t know what world your living in but when you buy something that has been designed and suited to something, its gonna cost you money… that’s why people do it them selves to save money. 2000 for a kit is cheap. Considering you get the charger and efi! Just for a basic turbo kit for a MX5 as an example costs 5000.

Think about it guys before you say a company is overpriced.

[cj]

I agree, I actually thought it was a pretty good price consdering what you're getting and it being from a shop ie. New adjustable computer , Single Point Efi Manifold , Supercharger(used) , brackets , Pulleys and fitting instructions. You may well be able to put something together for less but shops aren't charities and they should expect some profit not just for the componets but the R&D as well. Of course you'd want to check exactly what you're getting for your money as it doesn't give specifics on the computer or blower or even what gains you should expect.

[mud4b]

Thing is EFI is alot easier to put a supercharger in, plus you'd have to do ducting or what mud4b did which, correct me if I'm wrong, looks like just flexible hose and what looks to be something like a PVC pipe.

Which brings me to a question for mud4b if he's around. Have you got a filter before your supercharger ?

Couldn't tell from the pics and I figure its more relevant here.

it is not pvc... it was all exhaust tube....and flexible pipe.

it did have the std airbox before the supercharger with k&n filter.

[Tyson]

In my prev post I said I thought it was expensive to buy a supercharger kit for $2000, I was wrong, it costs $3000!

Not knowing if that's expensive or not, but for $3000 I could buy a whole other Vitara.

I might look at every other option of increasing acceleration power, before I reach the point of a supercharger.

[grimbo]

If you are wanting acceleration and fast speeds then whhy have you got a Suzuki? If you want a quick car then buy a quick car. A Suzuki is not meant for high speed stuff. I'd be putting money towards gears and lockers way before trying to spend money trying to get performance out of a 1.3

[alien]

i did the 1.6L carby motor... then extractors and 2" pipe... they made a MASSIVE difference to torque, at least 20-30% more i reckon. then the weber on top of this makes another difference of about that much again... VERY noticeable.

i think a cam would be my next choice, then i'd say thats about it. s/c or turbo i reckon just opens up more things to go wrong offroad. and like someone else said, its a suzuki - aerodynamics of a loaf of bread and about hte same weight!

[Tyson]

I don't have a 1.3, I have a 1.6 carb Vitara. It's in a pretty bad way, have to push the pedal all the way flat to the floor to get any kind of acceleration whatsoever. I was driving on the freeway not long ago, and a JLX ( same model as mine ) cept it was EFi, totally whooped me, I couldn't have kept up even if I tried.

So I think a Weber + Extractors + 2" exhaust would help greatly, for not over the top $$$.

Why would I want to buy a faster car? I love my Suzuki and I would like to see it perform better.

[alien]

sounds more like a tired motor... maybe get someone to give it a major service and a once-over to see if something playing up?

i barely need half throttle to flog almost any 4cyl car at the lights on takeoff... and even overtaking on freeway at 110-120km/hr doesnt require anywhere near full throttle. i save full throttle for overtaking at 140-150km/hr! lol even then its not neccissary unless i want to get from 100 to 140 in about 5 secs...

[Tyson]

Thanks alien, that's a good comparison. I can't seem to get it over 110.

[DeWsE]

Thanks alien, that's a good comparison. I can't seem to get it over 110.

You need a rebuild bad buddy!

Get the engine taken down and inspected.

Then when they rebuild it get the block bored to 1800 and sleeved and the head high flowed. Heheheheeheh then you can be a true hardcore ricer

[Tyson]

lol Dewse, what kind of price range are we talking here mate?

It sounds expensive :(

[cj]

Depends what needs doing. Check your compression first. Another useful tool for checking your engine out is a vacuum guage. Could be all sorts of things, valves, valve springs, rings, bore, cat converter collapsing, timing (cam or ignition is out), plugs, plug wires etc, etc. Could be something relatively minor and easy to remedy or more major. You won't know till you check it out.

[Acca Dacca]

it is not pvc... it was all exhaust tube....and flexible pipe.

I stand corrected. I never said it actually was though... just looks exactly like the PVC setup I was talking about.

Anyway as for the kit. I just said it seems pricey because it doesn't include any ducting. Thats the whole reason my mates dad has a 4AGZE supercharger lying around. He couldn't be stuffed setting up the ducting for it so he just bought a kit with ducting.

Basically the parts were alot cheaper compared to the kit but then he didn't have to spend a lot more money and time ducting it and deciding where to put everything.

[BearX90]

Go for the EFI 1.6ltr

Or rebuild your 1.6ltr with the 1.8ltr rebuild kit off the US site and put the Single Point Efi Manifold on it!

Sorry T

[Santos]

Aerodynamics of a brick aside a lil s/c would boost up the toque considerably (compared to say changing the gears so you have to rev more to compensate?)