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Sierra, am i kiddin myself?

Tech Talk for Suzuki owners.

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Post by droopypete »

munga wrote:i think it was Dewse who cut his lid off his hardtop. weighed in at 53kg and the rear door was 30kg. ish.

so take 50kg off the highest point of the car, then stretch the wheelbase out 6or so inches. thats about the difference. i have a tintop nt and it feels tippier than a lwb
or to say it another way, take a soft top add 50KG (if that is the weight) to the highest part of the car then add a roof top tent ?KG!!
depending on your style of off road driving this may be fine, personaly, I would be shitting myself in any off camber situation.

on a similar topic, has anyone wieghed a fibreglass hard top?
short or long wheel base?
I think that 50KG would come up pretty quick in the LWB.
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Post by Krankieone »

[quote="surfisho"]

have seen a few fiberglass hard tops around the $5k mark.

although i dont think a roof top tent would go well on the fiberglass top either.

quote]

I paid $2K for mine with the roof rack which would be solid enough to put a roof tent on
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Post by Krankieone »

[quote="surfisho"]

have seen a few fiberglass hard tops around the $5k mark.

although i dont think a roof top tent would go well on the fiberglass top either.

quote]

I paid $2K for mine with the roof rack which would be solid enough to put a roof tent on
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Post by munga »

saw that on ebay. well done. :cool: did you get the trailer too for that price?
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Post by grimbo »

I don't reckon that would be anywhere near strong enough to support a tent and at least 1 maybe 2 people. You'd be looking at say 35kg for the tent plus 90kg or a 6'1" bloke plus his wife? (i'm not even going to try and guesstimate a woman's weight). But lets say you are heading towards 200kg all up.

The front section would bend and I reckon the rest would collapse as well. The other problem as I mentioned is that the Sierra would move around way too much when you are in the tent unless external poles and proably jack stands were used to keep it locked in solid
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Post by droopypete »

grimbo wrote: The other problem as I mentioned is that the Sierra would move around way too much when you are in the tent
Don't worry Graham, surfisho has a water bed at home he is used to it :lol: (oh and his wife weighs 62KG's ;) )
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Post by surfisho »

hahaha, i wish, water bed would destroy my back, although, even my innersprung acts like a water bed at least once a month ;-)

no in fact she was 48kg. problems is i was 116kg, so yep 200KG all up would be about right. might topple the poor sierra if anything exciting happens, but i cant see the sierra being on its side often.
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Post by suzy »

i take mine camping,

more info hear

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Post by surfisho »

thanks suzy, cute rig, doggy looks like "had enough" !

im in WA too.
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Post by droopypete »

Ok, it has been a few days,
have you found any factory, wide track, 1.3L, LWB, zooks yet?
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Post by 84ZOOKSTA »

If you want to carry load on the roof you can make up a system like this.

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Post by Krankieone »

munga wrote:saw that on ebay. well done. :cool: did you get the trailer too for that price?
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I don't reckon that would be anywhere near strong enough to support a tent and at least 1 maybe 2 people. You'd be looking at say 35kg for the tent plus 90kg or a 6'1" bloke plus his wife? (i'm not even going to try and guesstimate a woman's weight). But lets say you are heading towards 200kg all up.

The front section would bend and I reckon the rest would collapse as well. The other problem as I mentioned is that the Sierra would move around way too much when you are in the tent unless external poles and proably jack stands were used to keep it locked in solid
the rack weighs about 100 lbs it 'd suport 200kgs but the suspension rocking could be a problem
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Post by DrCarlo »

I do about 100km on average a day in my zook. It goes nicely with no issues. I have given it a full service, replaced a few dodgy hoses and its going sweet!
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Post by DeWsE »

droopypete wrote:Ok, it has been a few days,
have you found any factory, wide track, 1.3L, LWB, zooks yet?
Peter.
I have found a factory NT, 1.3 LWB glass roof zook, and I have WT diffs :D But who wants that junks :lol: :lol: :lol: :finger:

I would say a roof top tent most probably isn't a great idea. but for mild wheeling and some good camping it could work.

A Dudelux exo will carry it nicely.

Grimbo don't forget your springs are a lot softer then a standard.
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Post by droopypete »

DeWsE wrote: I have found a factory NT, 1.3 LWB glass roof zook, But who wants that junks :lol: :lol: :lol: :finger:
I have found 5, factory WT, 1.3 LWB soft top zooks
But who wants that junk :D

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Post by nicbeer »

droopypete wrote:
DeWsE wrote: I have found a factory NT, 1.3 LWB glass roof zook, But who wants that junks :lol: :lol: :lol: :finger:
I have found 5, factory WT, 1.3 LWB soft top zooks
But who wants that junk :D

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They wouldn't miss one would they. Just need the body.

On the tech. what is a LWB cab-chassis called and a LWB wellbody? I have seen both and wondering if they go under the same name LWB or is one different than the other.
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Post by droopypete »

nicbeer wrote:
droopypete wrote:
DeWsE wrote: I have found a factory NT, 1.3 LWB glass roof zook, But who wants that junks :lol: :lol: :lol: :finger:
I have found 5, factory WT, 1.3 LWB soft top zooks
But who wants that junk :D

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They wouldn't miss one would they. Just need the body.

On the tech. what is a LWB cab-chassis called and a LWB wellbody? I have seen both and wondering if they go under the same name LWB or is one different than the other.
I have always refered to them as,
hard top,
soft top,
ute,
and LWB hard body, most people seem to understand what I am saying.
and af course the body style is prefixed by all the other bits,
W/T
N/T,
1L,
1.3L
ect, ect.
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Post by suzy »

all this in a zook
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Post by nicbeer »

Q1: where was that. looks nice down there.

Q2: was there still room for the drinks. :lol:

was this 1 person or two inc the dog.
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Post by suzy »

nicbeer wrote:Q1: where was that. looks nice down there.

Q2: was there still room for the drinks. :lol:

was this 1 person or two inc the dog.
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Post by suzi_on_46s »

suzy wrote:
nicbeer wrote:Q1: where was that. looks nice down there.

Q2: was there still room for the drinks. :lol:

was this 1 person or two inc the dog.
Q1 :Collie Q2 :40l engel + 40l dry food Q3 : me the missus and the dog
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is that in wa?? if so where
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Post by alien »

Collie

East of Bunbury

some good tracks to do out there from what ive seen too!
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wa collie
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Post by suzi_on_46s »

ive been to collie 4wding before never remember seeing the cliffs to the water.

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Post by suzy »

just before collie,like 5km before.
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Post by surfisho »

Hi everyone, thanks for all the replies. After looking around at other vehicles. I have decided to go with the sierra, short term, until I an can afford something a lot bigger. Not that I cant afford it, but the sierra will help me save for a near new troopy.

A few questions.

Is it better to buy a beat up old sierra for $1k or go for something already running ok for $4k?

can I expect much for $4k?

and how much would it cost to respray a sierra hard top? (no fancy paint).
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Post by droopypete »

I would spend $3000 or so and get a better one har tops are cheaper than soft tops (in Melb anyway) look around and get a goodie you will be happier in the long run.
This advice negates your second question :)
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Post by surfisho »

have found a few soft tops i like, but the key concern for me is security. i will be carrying camping gear to the value of $3k at times, and I wanna know its not going to be easy to get into.

does anyone know if you can retro fit the hard fiberglass tops to the soft top machines? and if so how secure are the fiberglass tops? ie how do they lock down.
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Post by grimbo »

yes you can retro fit a fibreglass hardtop if you can find one. They are pretty hard to come by and new ones are very $$$. be cheaper to get a hardtop to begin with. Security wise the fibreglass top isn't the weak link, Sierras are very easy to break into regardless of soft top or hardtop. However a soft top is a more likely target as they are perceived as the more easy target.

Which ever way you go I would not recommend leaving camping stuff in your car if you aren't there
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Post by MissJimny »

I bought a Jimny at Xmas and I was just wondering if it should be sitting on 4K revs when I am doing 100km/ph... before you ask it's in 5th gear. First time 4wd owner and lady driver (ie don't really know anythng about cars!!!!)
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