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Bent steering arm! (update)

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Bent steering arm! (update)

Post by Cossie »

Left home with the steering wheel in a straight position and arrived home with it 45 degrees out. Im gueesing the attached pic has something to do with that!

Whats the solution?

straighten it?
replace with standard?
replace with a heavy duty (adjustable?) one?

If I replace with a HD item will the impact just be transferred to steering box and break something else?

how much are replacements?

3rds list a hi tensile adjustable for $290 and an extra heavy duty for $440 :?
Snake list them for $295 (plus damper bracket)


anyone else doing them?
how much are standard ones worth?

any ideas?
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Post by Red_MAv »

In one the Outback Challenge videos a bloke was straightening one out with a sledgehammer on a big rock. He did an awesome job and it looked pretty straight once he'd finished. They appeared to be bloody tough so I'd have a go at straigtening it first.
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Post by Doggy »

Paaahh its still good, thats only a little bend and whats steering ability got to do with anything :D
I say try straightening it out first off. If it works then great you've saved yourself some money, if it doesnt work and you stuff it then your gonna spend the money that you were prepared to spend in the first place
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Post by ludacris »

Once it has a weak point it will bend again. Very common for bending. Go a cromoly for $295 and no they do not pass much more breaking ability onto the steering box.

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Post by Cossie »

whats the legal side of uprated jobbies?
(not that the trucks engineered anyway! ;) )
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Post by GQ4.8coilcab »

it only looks bent to a certain extent, maybe the steering shaft is bent aswell. I wish my steering link was bent instead of my steering shaft. Alot cheaper to repair.
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Post by roadkill »

Red_MAv wrote:In one the Outback Challenge videos a bloke was straightening one out with a sledgehammer on a big rock. He did an awesome job and it looked pretty straight once he'd finished. They appeared to be bloody tough so I'd have a go at straigtening it first.
I did the same to my Patrol - bent the steering arm hitting a rock. Pulled it off and straighted with a sledge hammer and have had no problems. Be carefull tho as they naturally have a bend in them (or at least mine did) - what I did is look at another Patrol the same type so that I knew what bend to keep.
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Post by bogged »

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Post by Cossie »

How bent should a standard one be?

The steering wheel is only slightly off centre and it still drives ok but the steering whel was perfectly straight before. I didnt even realise I'd done it until I got back on the highway, I did give the front end a bit of a whack at one point though (and it snatched fuck out of my wrist!)
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Post by giantracing »

250. solid 41/40. with external tie rods set up. you must buy tie rods. never bend again. ever
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Post by Nisspatrol »

260 from 4wd1.biz, havent bent it yet, and alot more legal than a home made extension (in the background!)
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Post by RUFF »

Superior Engineering has one available in 4140Chromo complete with new tierod ends and stabiliser bracket for $285. They were offering free freight anywhere in Aus last month so you may still be able to get this deal.

You will find it on this page- http://www.superiorengineering.com.au/p ... category=4
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Post by Cossie »

Ill stick it in a vice, heat it and straighten it I think.

Next time it bends I'll replace it but at the moment I need to spend the money elsewhere :cry:

I also found an old pic of it before I bent it and it was totally straight.
I guess its not as important as the dgar link behind the diff anyway as the wheels will still both point in the same direction no matter how much its bent.
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Post by Daisy »

heating it and puttin it back to straight will most problaby get metal fatigue.

could snap or bend so much easily next time that it wont be funny at all..

it could happen in the wrong place at the wrong time.

Worst of all you could be alone for hours.

Dont be a fool. and invest in an aftermarket arm and save yourself and everyone involved the inconvenience.
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Post by giantracing »

i have plenty of stock ones if you want to buy one of these. be careful it will bend much easier now, most likely to brake now........... PLEASE BE CAREFUL ON THE ROAD. we wouldnt like to see you on the news. thank you
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Post by beretta »

Cossie, just replace it dude, not worth your life it it fatigues and lets go on the highway. Lash out and get a tuffer one while you're at it!
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Post by Steven »

I just straightened mine then welded 2 pcs of 20x20x3mm angle to it. Does the job just fine.


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Post by giantracing »

dodgy. i would never stuff withany thing to do with steering. if you stuck in the bush ok, but not on the road. too many people.
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Post by krimnl »

i would just straighten it and weld some angle olong its lenght top and bottom.
not as strong as a aftermarket one and costs nothing to do.
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Post by mickyd555 »

krimnl wrote:i would just straighten it and weld some angle olong its lenght top and bottom.
just as strong as a aftermarket one and costs nothing to do.
thats a preety big statement, would you put your welding of a steering arm up for an x-ray? i am no expert welder, but i do know that you can stress the metal if the correct procedure is carried out.........so, sometimes it might be stronger, and others not. i wouldnt risk it
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Post by ozy1 »

mickyd555 wrote:
krimnl wrote:i would just straighten it and weld some angle olong its lenght top and bottom.
just as strong as a aftermarket one and costs nothing to do.
thats a preety big statement, would you put your welding of a steering arm up for an x-ray? i am no expert welder, but i do know that you can stress the metal if the correct procedure is carried out.........so, sometimes it might be stronger, and others not. i wouldnt risk it
ill agree, when it comes to steering and brakes, its like playin russian roulette, id never weld a steering arm, unless, it was to put it onto a trailer or get it out of the bush,

if you have an acco, and they can prove your steering failed casue of you, you become uninsured, and liable for every thing,
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Post by krimnl »

ozy1 wrote:
mickyd555 wrote:
krimnl wrote:i would just straighten it and weld some angle olong its lenght top and bottom.
just as strong as a aftermarket one and costs nothing to do.
thats a preety big statement, would you put your welding of a steering arm up for an x-ray? i am no expert welder, but i do know that you can stress the metal if the correct procedure is carried out.........so, sometimes it might be stronger, and others not. i wouldnt risk it
ill agree, when it comes to steering and brakes, its like playin russian roulette, id never weld a steering arm, unless, it was to put it onto a trailer or get it out of the bush,

if you have an acco, and they can prove your steering failed casue of you, you become uninsured, and liable for every thing,
same thing if you have an acco with 35's on they are not legal but we all have them.

as for the steering arm as long as it is not cut and welded and is just plated/laminated it is perfectly safe and legal.
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Post by giantracing »

what a load of s**t. if you weld it , it is safe and legal. what are you smoking. you can not cut/weld/repair anytype of steering component, this is against the law, and just f***en stuppid. that is why engineers are on this earth to build replacement parts, which have been xrayed and a pproved. all the components i sell , have dot approval done. some of us build trucks with in the rules. mean while other people make there own. i have a custom built rig, i done the right thing even went to DOT for inspection and approval. i thank other people as well for doing the right thing.
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Post by beretta »

IMHO welding up steering arms etc is asking for trouble. If it lets go on the road and you kill someone.....you're screwed! And then so will the rest of us as drivers of modified 4X4's, I can't beleive that people would even consider doing a bodgey welding job to fix a steering arm?? Like Giant said...what are you smoking?
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Post by Heathx4 »

I appreciate the concern over hack jobs on steering components, but can anyone offer something a little more concrete than "What if it lets go? Think of the children!". Specifically, I mean, what are the likely failure modes if he were to straighten and then weld angle along it?

That arm is obviously not subjected to torsion, just compression and tension. The compression and tension forces could be relatively high, say if you hit a pothole while cornering, but certainly not enough to bend or separate the arm in its original form. There will of course, be the occasional lateral force as well, as evidenced in the original picture, but only in extreme cases - impact and 4wd'ing.

Now, if the arm was straightened, the bend point would be weakened. If it were welded too, it may be further stressed by the heat, and the weld itself may fail. But what, pray tell, is actually going to happen on the road? Are you suggesting that the bend point would be weak enough to separate or bend and snap from the normal compression and tension forces? That is, steering input and road feedback would be enough to actually break the bar?

I'm certainly not in any position of authority, but I can't imagine that the bar would catastrophically fail if it were to be straightened and welded to. Completely different story if the weld were to form the main structure of the arm - ie. be a link in resisting the compression or tension forces!
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Post by mickyd555 »

Heathx4 wrote:I appreciate the concern over hack jobs on steering components, but can anyone offer something a little more concrete than "What if it lets go? Think of the children!". Specifically, I mean, what are the likely failure modes if he were to straighten and then weld angle along it?

That arm is obviously not subjected to torsion, just compression and tension. The compression and tension forces could be relatively high, say if you hit a pothole while cornering, but certainly not enough to bend or separate the arm in its original form. There will of course, be the occasional lateral force as well, as evidenced in the original picture, but only in extreme cases - impact and 4wd'ing.

Now, if the arm was straightened, the bend point would be weakened. If it were welded too, it may be further stressed by the heat, and the weld itself may fail. But what, pray tell, is actually going to happen on the road? Are you suggesting that the bend point would be weak enough to separate or bend and snap from the normal compression and tension forces? That is, steering input and road feedback would be enough to actually break the bar?

I'm certainly not in any position of authority, but I can't imagine that the bar would catastrophically fail if it were to be straightened and welded to. Completely different story if the weld were to form the main structure of the arm - ie. be a link in resisting the compression or tension forces!
in saying all of that, have you checked how much a replacement from a wrecker would cost, that would be a much simpler fix, and safe too
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Post by Heathx4 »

Just to clear things up, I'm not the OP, and luckily in not in a similar situation. I don't know what I would do, and my post was not rhetorical. Anyone care to offer a reply?
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Post by mickyd555 »

Heathx4 wrote:Just to clear things up, I'm not the OP, and luckily in not in a similar situation. I don't know what I would do, and my post was not rhetorical. Anyone care to offer a reply?
woops sorry dude........i didnt read proper...... :oops:
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Post by Cossie »

Im steering clear of this debate! ;)

Not done anything with it yet but will almost certainly just straighten it for now and replace it next time it bends. I wont be welding anything to it either. :armsup:
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